200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

[MoodMuzik]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

The game is meant to be played until the next release.

It's going to take all year to get to 99. Even if you purchase VC it's going to take those users a really, really long time to get to 99.

[triplechin]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

Well the math really isn't that hard

Let's say that you earn about 1,000 vc playing on hall of fame. A game will typically last 20-30 minutes. That's about 2,000 vc an hour. So:

190,000 vc / 2,000vc/hr = 95 hours to get to an 85

This doesn't take into account load times, endorsements (if they are still in the game) or anything else that impacts time and vc earned. Also keep in mind that attribute upgrades increase in cost the higher you get so it could cost as much (if not more) to go from an 85 to 99. So you are potentially looking at dumping 150-200 hours into one player.

I think half the point of some of us in this thread was that there are many who don't even want to play against the AI though. From Pro AM I think we got about half (500?) per game right? So online only could approximately double that time to get to a decent rating?

[Inzombniac]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

I think half the point of some of us in this thread was that there are many who don't even want to play against the AI though. From Pro AM I think we got about half (500?) per game right? So online only could approximately double that time to get to a decent rating?

Regular Pro-Am you earned that much (unless you were a sponsored team) but Walk On you actually could earn up to almost 1K with a good teammate grade and decent statline. Then add in accolades which gave you more VC and you could legitimately make a lot of VC especially early on when those accolades were low enough to unlock quite a bit. That's how I was even able to make as many characters as I did last year not even planning to. I'd play Walk On with friends and after a few days, I'd have 50-70K getting around 1K per game along with using the MyNBA 2K app every day, 2KTV also helps when that's going on. This is with not even touching MyCareer after I upgraded my guy enough with badges and attributes.

At the end of the day, the near 200K to upgrade to 85 is a correct statement but it doesn't cost that much to have a competent player. If you're a playmaker shaprshooter PG, why would you even bother upgrading post scoring until you had to? Apply that logic to other positions with attributes that you're not going to use if at all on that player and in reality, you aren't going to be that bad off from people who paid for VC because as long as you got the core fundamentals upgraded to a reasonable extent (whatever your guy does best, defense, stamina and speed along with maybe ball control depending on position) then you're going to be able to contribute to your team and not be embarrassed on defense. Add in badges? You'll be fine. .

[LorenzoDC]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

The game is meant to be played until the next release.

It's going to take all year to get to 99. Even if you purchase VC it's going to take those users a really, really long time to get to 99.

I don't play this mode, but people play to compete, and the competitive environment this system creates is one where some people will become very highly rated players long before the next release. They will become very highly rated players within a few hours of getting the game.

So that's the competitive environment for people who play these modes. Their enjoyment and competitive fitness is diminished by how much other people will buy their way out of the grind.

And that of course is what 2k wants. They want to create pressure on people to pay their way out of the grind. They don't intend for you to grind all year, they intend for you to pay more money. It's designed to be an uncomfortable environment that diminishes the enjoyment for people who don't pay more.

And that's what people resent. They resent buying a game and finding they're constantly pressured to keep paying more to find a way to enjoy it. Let's not pretend that's just a side effect, it's the intended effect of the game design.

Doesn't matter to me, I play offline MyLeague. But I totally get why it matters to others.

[2k10Fonzarelli]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

2k is basicly telling people that growing your player is a part of their game that isnt worth playing... Thats why you can $kip it

And theyre right. Playing mycareer to get better is a horrid experience and a waste of your time. Im clearly not in 2ks target demographic anymore and thats okay this year because live18 online actually works well, and doesnt disrespect my free tme by making me wait for others to finish playing. Not to mention the disrespect of putting premium currency in a $90 retail product

[DC]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

And the entire idea of the mode is that you're the next big thing. Who wants to play a video game where you control a failure?
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I would love to see a more realistic MyPlayer mode where folks get demoted to the D-League and benched for taking stupid shots.

Would love to see the gallons, and GALLONS of tears runnings down yall's faces.

[HeatLifer]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

There's MILLIONS of people who play this game, let's not act like the entire Neighborhood is going to be only 86's as soon as the game drops.

There will be many, many, many normal people out there that choose not to pay and they will still play because they enjoy the game.

It's not all 86's and 99's.

[ILLSmak]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

Yes!

What you just described has a MOBA like quality which falls in line with what an E-Sport really is.. MyCareer guys can keep their grind if they want to. I just want to play with teammates against another team and have it be good competition. Doesn't even have to be 99 OVR players, just something balanced.

It'd be cool if team up with regular teams had some kind of ranking and progression system, like if it was PNO Co-Op but with 5. But that mode is littered with quitters as they have no incentive to stay.

that's what I meant, too, something ranked w/ archetypes. Or even just nba players now/throughout history. You're right that people quit on team up modes, so it's not really worth it.

Am surprised at people saying 'man I get 1.5k vc for 12 minute quarters.' Insane. That's a long road. Even if it only takes you like 20 hrs to get your dude ready to play online competitively, that's a lot of game time. It's even more when the thrill of the new game wears off and you are working on dude number 2.

Edit:

I would love to see a more realistic MyPlayer mode where folks get demoted to the D-League and benched for taking stupid shots.

Would love to see the gallons, and GALLONS of tears runnings down yall's faces.

That would be awesome. Why would we cry about that? Might teach people to actually get good at the game. I'd love my career to be deep and unforgiving... a mode where you can actually go through the ups and downs of becoming 'an nba player.' However, I don't want that mode to limit my competitive playing online, esp when you have to pay 50 bucks to level your dude up, or grind 100 hours.

It's not entitled to want to be able to play, day 1, vs good players in a good competitive environment, and get ranked wins, 5 on 5. My career and its online offshoots should be its own thing.

-Smak

[Keith01]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

Can we PLEASE shut down these VC complaint threads? It's starting to get out of hand.

If you hate paying VC...Don't

If you don't mind...Do

Either way it's available

Lol it's a forum... the whole premise is to discuss the game...

[El_Poopador]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

I would love to see a more realistic MyPlayer mode where folks get demoted to the D-League and benched for taking stupid shots.

Would love to see the gallons, and GALLONS of tears runnings down yall's faces.

Adding more realism to the game would be great. They had a combine when My Player first launched, and they removed it for some reason.

[Keith01]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

I have no objection to grinding whatsoever. In Diamond Dynasty, MUT, FUT, HUT, MyTeam, that's a big part of the game.

But I do have a big objection to starting a player as low as they have you start at, in a mode that they're trying to tout as a competitive E-Sport.

You can't really be an E-Sport if a lot of it revolves around a heavy grind or paying for a shortcut.

THIS. Esports shouldn't become about your CHARACTER and the barriers to entry to to have competitive character, it should be about your SKILLS. So many good players who are better than top players, but they don't want to spend 1000 hrs or $500 in the first week just to play pro am. 2K18 needs to do more to distinguish good PLAYERS from good CHARACTERS.

[GoDucks1224]

200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

When did we decide that sports video games are legitimate eSports? Sure, they might try and market it as such and throw an occasional tournament with a sizeable cash prize, but. Really? When I think eSport I think of million dollar tournaments and yearly leagues. I guess if having a chance at a cash prize is all it takes for it to be an eSport then it qualifies but man that feels like a loose definition.

Real eSports to me are.. League, CSGO, Overwatch, Rainbow Six, etc.

[HeatLifer]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

You can absolutely play "Day 1 competitively", because nearly everyone is going to be the same overall tonight.

[Hirtec]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

The problem is that the Offline-Career and the Online-Park are based on one player. Mycareer is a game mode, where you go from zero to hero, from a scrub to the next GOAT. It's like an RPG with XP. It's fun to see the progression of your player, so here it's about the journey, not the destination. I played mycareer since it came out and I ended with enough VC/Attribute points to get the 99, so no problem.

But if you play online in a competitive environment, you want parity between the opponents, something like chess. Therefore the archetype system seems to be great, not everyone is a 99, but a role player who has strengths and weaknesses. Just like chess where you have different figures with different move sets. So far, so good.

But to have this parity, every player should be maxed out to the caps right from the start. That is esport, that is even ground. Then you can play against each other where skill matters. Otherwise it can be an uphill battle, especially at the beginning when people buy their progression with real money.
To stay at the chess example, you can play against an opponent where you have an army of pawns on your side. Good luck with that one.

So that's what people who play proam complain about, which I totally understand. You are forced to progress as fast as possible to minimize the gap between the players.


Another problem with the archetype system is that mycareer players don't have the possibility to become the next MJ anymore, they are bound to the roles they are choosing, which is a pity. I liked to dunk like Vince Carter, giving assists like Magic, stealing the ball like Gary Payton and doing it with one player.
Unrealistic? Totally. But was it fun? Definitely!!! (plus you can always stop where you wanted it to stop).

[Cjwagen8828]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

Look me personally i enjoy playing my career and stuff like that so the grind isnt too bad. Im typically not on HOF but the level under it. (The name of the tier escapes me) and i make pretty good vc per game to make my guy better by playing actual basketball. The other alternative is we could have stuff like NHL EASHL. Where you get a set of attributes and builds with no customization so dont get all sorts of upset.


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