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  • CaseIH
    MVP
    • Sep 2013
    • 3945

    #76
    Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/being force-renounced and RFA not functio

    Originally posted by wodi
    And it's all stemming from the overinflated ratings 2k gives out to be buddy buddy with the NBA players. They only care if it works right in a quick game

    They won't fix the roster ratings, that we all know. So we'll have to wait for simworld or someone else to put out a rebalanced roster which utilizes more of the rating scale than 70-99

    Ive said this forever, that they need to use more of the rating scale, make it so its a true HOF ratings scale, because regardless what they said a few years ago, when they said thats how they were doing it not anywhere near a true HOF scale. There is a reason its 25-99, rather than 0-99, so use the the whole scale. Not saying there is players in the league right now, that need to be rated in the 30's, but more of it needs used than basically 70-99, more like 50-99.
    I made a post in a roster thread about this yesterday,lol. IMO 90+ , should be those rare great players, like MJ,Bird, Magic, Wilt, West, Lebron, etc. Very few players in the game right now should be int he 90's, and after looking at the overalls a little more, there isnt a ton of 90+ right now, but there are a few that really should be in that rarified air. But once the seasons starts they will be boosting players up and there will end up being several 90+ players.
    I will say I think 1 of the problems with the who rating system, is it dont devalue a players defense as much as it should. The last couple yrs I have made my own roster, and for example Harden, I lowered him down like 20-25 pts in about every defensive area, along with lowering his hustle, as he only hustles when the ball is in his hands on offense,lol, yet it barely dropped his overall.
    Now Ive never been brave enough to rate every player in the game on a HOF scale, as I didnt want to spend all that time to only find out it broke the game, and sim stats. So its possible thats why they dont actually use the who scale like it should be, because it might have a negative impact on the gameplay and more likley sim stats, is where it would likely cause major issues, is my guess anyway. And they already do a crap job of coding simulation stats in career modes, like MyLeague and MyGM, so main reason I havent take the time to really get deep into redoing the ratings scale. Although I might give it a try this yr, if MyLeague and MyGM ever gets fixed so they are playable.
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    • davez
      Rookie
      • Jul 2002
      • 248

      #77
      Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

      Update: Tim has figured one of the issues with star players signing for cheap (like Chris Paul in one of the posts) and we should have a fix for one of the emergency patches in the coming days/weeks (no clue on when any of these make it out to be honest). We have a feature in there where guys will sign for cheap to chase rings and guys like CP3 are doing it. We're going to just disable this until we can "wrap" it all together better next year in 2K19 (basically, explain it better to the people playing the game).

      He'll be looking into the CPU's auto-handling of RFA's even when the user is handling it next.

      After that, he'll tackle changing the way the CPU does the renouncing of cap holes. Currently, if they're targeting someone they'll start renouncing as many guys they need to at the start of the offseason to make room. He's going to change it so that they wait until the guy they're targeting actually accepts an offer in the Moratorium.
      Dave Zdyrko
      NBA 2K MyLEAGUE/MyGM/MyCAREER Producer & Designer
      Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
      Novato, CA, USA

      Official MyGM / MyLEAGUE / MLO 2K19 Wish List

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      • Pizarro24
        Rookie
        • Jan 2012
        • 272

        #78
        Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

        Originally posted by davez
        ... We have a feature in there where guys will sign for cheap to chase rings and guys like CP3 are doing it. We're going to just disable this until we can "wrap" it all together better next year in 2K19 (basically, explain it better to the people playing the game).

        ...
        Damn I love that feature.
        Hope it returns and works properly in 2K19.
        Last edited by Pizarro24; 09-20-2017, 04:45 PM.
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        • sssolid20
          Rookie
          • Dec 2013
          • 44

          #79
          Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

          Originally posted by davez
          Update: Tim has figured one of the issues with star players signing for cheap (like Chris Paul in one of the posts) and we should have a fix for one of the emergency patches in the coming days/weeks (no clue on when any of these make it out to be honest). We have a feature in there where guys will sign for cheap to chase rings and guys like CP3 are doing it. We're going to just disable this until we can "wrap" it all together better next year in 2K19 (basically, explain it better to the people playing the game).

          He'll be looking into the CPU's auto-handling of RFA's even when the user is handling it next.

          After that, he'll tackle changing the way the CPU does the renouncing of cap holes. Currently, if they're targeting someone they'll start renouncing as many guys they need to at the start of the offseason to make room. He's going to change it so that they wait until the guy they're targeting actually accepts an offer in the Moratorium.
          Is all this going to be on the next patch?
          Thank you

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          • jeremym480
            Speak it into existence
            • Oct 2008
            • 18198

            #80
            Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

            Originally posted by davez
            Update: Tim has figured one of the issues with star players signing for cheap (like Chris Paul in one of the posts) and we should have a fix for one of the emergency patches in the coming days/weeks (no clue on when any of these make it out to be honest). We have a feature in there where guys will sign for cheap to chase rings and guys like CP3 are doing it. We're going to just disable this until we can "wrap" it all together better next year in 2K19 (basically, explain it better to the people playing the game).

            He'll be looking into the CPU's auto-handling of RFA's even when the user is handling it next.

            After that, he'll tackle changing the way the CPU does the renouncing of cap holes. Currently, if they're targeting someone they'll start renouncing as many guys they need to at the start of the offseason to make room. He's going to change it so that they wait until the guy they're targeting actually accepts an offer in the Moratorium.
            At this point, do you think it's safe to start a MyLeague as long as you don't get to the 2018 offseason or would you suggest waiting on the patch?
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            • davez
              Rookie
              • Jul 2002
              • 248

              #81
              Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

              Not sure which patch it'll make it into, but these will most likely get in one of the emergency pushing out over the next week or so that will be before what we're internally calling patch 3.

              And for the next question, I believe most of these bug fixes that I'm currently aware of will work with existing saves, so you may be safe if you start a MyLEAGUE now and don't progress past the '17-'18 season before the patches are released with the various fixes.
              Dave Zdyrko
              NBA 2K MyLEAGUE/MyGM/MyCAREER Producer & Designer
              Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
              Novato, CA, USA

              Official MyGM / MyLEAGUE / MLO 2K19 Wish List

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              • Gramps91
                MVP
                • Sep 2010
                • 2116

                #82
                Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/being force-renounced and RFA not functio

                I would go ahead and start and not go past the first season but the only thing I worry about is the draft class in that first year. Seeing as how they are generated at the start of the season


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                • jeremym480
                  Speak it into existence
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 18198

                  #83
                  Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/being force-renounced and RFA not functio

                  Originally posted by eaterofworlds888
                  I would go ahead and start and not go past the first season but the only thing I worry about is the draft class in that first year. Seeing as how they are generated at the start of the season


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                  You can import a new draft class at any time during the season.
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                  Green Bay Packers
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                  • Gramps91
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 2116

                    #84
                    Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/being force-renounced and RFA not functio

                    Originally posted by jeremym480
                    You can import a new draft class at any time during the season.


                    Thanks, did not know this


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                    • Whomario
                      Pro
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 515

                      #85
                      Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

                      Originally posted by davez
                      Update: Tim has figured one of the issues with star players signing for cheap (like Chris Paul in one of the posts) and we should have a fix for one of the emergency patches in the coming days/weeks (no clue on when any of these make it out to be honest). We have a feature in there where guys will sign for cheap to chase rings and guys like CP3 are doing it. We're going to just disable this until we can "wrap" it all together better next year in 2K19 (basically, explain it better to the people playing the game).

                      He'll be looking into the CPU's auto-handling of RFA's even when the user is handling it next.

                      After that, he'll tackle changing the way the CPU does the renouncing of cap holes. Currently, if they're targeting someone they'll start renouncing as many guys they need to at the start of the offseason to make room. He's going to change it so that they wait until the guy they're targeting actually accepts an offer in the Moratorium.
                      Can you make sure to also tackle the high amounts asked for and paid to decent-but-not-great potential players coming off their rookie deals and/or being 25-28 years old ? The few instances of a Chris Paul signing to cheap are much less of a nuisance in actual game play/league development than the many instances of teams like the Suns extending all their former draft picks for insane amounts and ending up with a 200 mio payroll .

                      Can you also make sure to bring across that one of the major issues with the renouncing bug (and Qualifying Offers not being extended !!!) is, that it even happens on User controlled teams ? That's a big time issue as well, so even adjusting the mechanic please make sure that the game is not actually taking over decision making on user controlled teams, which it currently 100% is doing.


                      Thanks for taking the time to give an update !

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                      • CaseIH
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2013
                        • 3945

                        #86
                        Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

                        Originally posted by Pizarro24
                        Damn I love that feature.
                        Hope it returns and works properly in 2K19.
                        Yeah, I hate to hear that they are disabling this, rather than fixing it. With the lack of competitive desire in players today to beat the best, they would rather play with the best, to beat up on less talented teams, just so they can say they got a ring Sad, this is how this generation looks at things. And while I dont like that this is whats going on in the NBA, I do want NBA2k18 to replicate todays NBA. So very disappointing to hear they wont fix it, they are just disabling it and then fix it in 19. Im definitely going to think twice before buying NBA2k19 day1, I dont play online, so preorder VC deals means nothing to me.
                        Everyone who exalts themselves will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted- Luke14-11

                        Favorite teams:
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                        NBA- Pacers
                        NFL- Dolphins & Colts

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                        • Pizarro24
                          Rookie
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 272

                          #87
                          Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

                          Originally posted by CaseIH
                          Yeah, I hate to hear that they are disabling this, rather than fixing it. With the lack of competitive desire in players today to beat the best, they would rather play with the best, to beat up on less talented teams, just so they can say they got a ring Sad, this is how this generation looks at things. And while I dont like that this is whats going on in the NBA, I do want NBA2k18 to replicate todays NBA. So very disappointing to hear they wont fix it, they are just disabling it and then fix it in 19. Im definitely going to think twice before buying NBA2k19 day1, I dont play online, so preorder VC deals means nothing to me.
                          To be fair, we don´t know how difficult it is to fix this.

                          Would be great though, because I love the idea.
                          In theory it should be tied to player personality (play for winner vs. financial security) and maybe even player history (how much money has the player already made), but the second factor could complicate things.

                          However, this has me already hyped for 2K19.
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                          • CaseIH
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 3945

                            #88
                            Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

                            Originally posted by Pizarro24
                            To be fair, we don´t know how difficult it is to fix this.

                            Would be great though, because I love the idea.
                            In theory it should be tied to player personality (play for winner vs. financial security) and maybe even player history (how much money has the player already made), but the second factor could complicate things.

                            However, this has me already hyped for 2K19.

                            I agree, it should be how a player is rated in financial security, playing for winner, etc. Im sure its not simple to code, and I think most players want to play for a winner, but not all will feel the need to team up to make a supper team. Maybe add in a rating, competitive drive, which would effect how driven is that player to beat the best versus wanting to play with the best. Thats what seems to be lacking in some of these players in todays game, they dont have that same drive to beat the best, they would rather play together and beat up on a less talented team. I dont fault a veteran player late in his career, for chasing that ring, but I do lose respect for guys in their prime doing it. I give Kyrie Irving a lot of credit for wanting to beat the best rather than play with the best, although he may end up regretting that, because he has durability issues, so while he is a great player, not sure someone who gets injured so often can be the leader.
                            Everyone who exalts themselves will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted- Luke14-11

                            Favorite teams:
                            MLB- Reds/ and whoever is playing the Cubs
                            NBA- Pacers
                            NFL- Dolphins & Colts

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                            • LorenzoDC
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 1857

                              #89
                              Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

                              Originally posted by CaseIH
                              I agree, it should be how a player is rated in financial security, playing for winner, etc. Im sure its not simple to code, and I think most players want to play for a winner, but not all will feel the need to team up to make a supper team. Maybe add in a rating, competitive drive, which would effect how driven is that player to beat the best versus wanting to play with the best. Thats what seems to be lacking in some of these players in todays game, they dont have that same drive to beat the best, they would rather play together and beat up on a less talented team. I dont fault a veteran player late in his career, for chasing that ring, but I do lose respect for guys in their prime doing it. I give Kyrie Irving a lot of credit for wanting to beat the best rather than play with the best, although he may end up regretting that, because he has durability issues, so while he is a great player, not sure someone who gets injured so often can be the leader.
                              The play for winner, financial security, loyalty modifiers are already coded in. It's just that they don't have much impact moving from 0 to 100. I've always wished they had more impact. In theory, Play for Winner at 100 for Chris Paul could mean he's wiling to take a steep discount for the right team, maybe 50% of max. There's also already some code in there I believe to adjust these player signing modifiers as the player ages, so that is code that could I'm guessing be tweaked as well to make all this work.

                              I'd be happy if these modifiers actually had more impact on player asking price. That could be the easiest, shortest route in the current code to affect these contracts in ML/MyGM in 2K18.
                              Last edited by LorenzoDC; 09-20-2017, 10:04 PM.

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                              • Pizarro24
                                Rookie
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 272

                                #90
                                Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

                                Originally posted by LorenzoDC
                                The play for winner, financial security, loyalty modifiers are already coded it. It's just that they don't have much impact moving from 0 to 100. I've always wished they had more impact. In theory, Play for Winner at 100 for Chris Paul could mean he's wiling to take a steep discount for the right team, maybe 50% of max. There's also already some code in there I believe to adjust these player signing modifiers as the player ages, so that is code that could I'm guessing be tweaked as well to make all this work.

                                I'd be happy if these modifiers actually had more impact on player asking price. That could be the easiest, shortest route in the current code to affect these contracts in ML/MyGM in 2K18.
                                This.

                                One of the problems always was and still is, that even Superstars, will always take the money.
                                This was on my wishlist for 2K18 and while I didn´t test it yet, I saw that some guy here said Westbrook won the title with OKC and then signed with the rebuilding Bulls. So I assume money ist still the factor #1 by a wide margin.
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