MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

[CaseIH]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

Catching flies with honey is still sticky...thats how you end up with games like Madden...this is unacceptable to me.

Thats why I said it works the majority of the time and not all Nothing works when your dealing with EA sports, they are clueless, when it comes to football and basketball. Soccer is about the only thing they get right, and thats probably more because I dont know much about soccer, so I dont see the flaws,lol.

It does get frustrating each yr having issues with MyLeague and MyGM, as its a yearly thing, and while they use to not be very good at listening to the complaints, they have improved over these past 2 or 3 yrs now, and things have improved in this area. It still frustrating, since its every yr, along with simulated stats being off every yr as well, which drives me nuts as Im OCD about stats,lol.
I figure they will get this stuff ironed out, as they have did a better job these past couple yrs or so, so I will give them the benefit of doubt, for now anyway.

[Whomario]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

In year 2, basically no qualifying offers get actually extended (despuite plenty being pre-selected and me manually selecting the rest on 30 team controll) with just 2 exceptions: Malcolm Brogdon, Devin Booker.

You guys know what the rejected all have in common ? Being marked as "expendable" rather than "core" on the player profile page in the contract section, which is a designation given by the AI and can't be influenced by the user. Brogdon and Booker were the only players eligible for the QO signified as "Core" and both were correctly processed ! I went back to the first season and found the same things.

Lets not talk about the fact that this is a bogus assignment for a 78 rated starter who is 24 years old (i assume the logic is a holdover from past versions with higher ratings) and that this in and of itself might have implications to CPU Trades and the likes ...

I also am 99% sure there is the same issue applying to veterans (the disaperaing cap holds and at least a partial loss of Bird Rights, going from Full Bird to Early Bird/Non-Boid Exceptions) ---> news feed saying their rights were waved depite being on user control and no such action being taken (happens on the 29 other teams and my own controlled team).

The few players whose cap hold is carrying past this stage are almost all marked as Superstar, Veteran or Core (looking it up via save and reload the same save before and after the stage). Everybody marked as expandable gets his rights renounced without any promp by the User.

The reason why this seemed to be less of an issue with veterans is the fact that you can still able to offer them the non-bird or early-bird despite the renouncing of the rights (the rookies only the non-bird even, which is impossible to sign most players coming off rookie contracts with if your over the cap) ---> This in and of itself is not correct either btw.

The news feed is also awash with news of teams renouncing the rights to these players, so it is not merely a display error in the Cap Hold section. The fact that this renouncing is never prompted to the User in any way bothered me from the start, actually. Now it apears that he is not only not prompted to do so but that it happens off-screen without his doing.

This is not a small-time nuisance at this magnitude. I mean, it essentially takes half your options of the table. Basically all you can do is extend a player (rather than take your chances in the open market and see what other teams offer) and the same holds true for the cpu.

This might also explain the utter lack of medium-sized contracts, which is exactly what these sort of players would command. The automatic renouncing of rights of almost every player (even good starters !) also clears up unrealistic capspace for teams to make a big signing and then turn around and still sign a few of their veterans (for which the wrongly assigned non-bird/early-bird rights are more than enough)

[MBhoops]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

I haven't encountered any of these issues yet aside from the following;

1. Draft classes with weird attributes, e.g centres with 99 speed and 6'11 point guards.

Workaround: I create (or download) my own draft class for every second year. Set the draft quality to 0 which means every other draft (generated by CPU) I only have to edit the top 4 or 5 players as the rest are busts anyway and don't make it into playing major minutes. So for every year there's a bad draft it's followed by a year of good draft.


2. Players being signed to insane contracts. LMA got maxed out by the Spurs for example (5 years).

Workaround: There is none. Even with full 30 team control players won't sign for less than they believe they're worth. Thoughts right now; could edit the contracts post signing or lower the players attributes until they sign a more sensible deal then boost them back up. Issue with that is it's so time consuming.


3. Euro stash. I just can't get this option to work, they never come over.

Workaround: none.


4. Players signing for dumb teams. E.g Westbrook and OKC won a title in my first year (I was playing as Knicks). The following off-season Westbrook left OKC to join the Bulls where they went on to miss the playoffs the following season. This is illogical. Similar thing happened with KD who left Golden State for Indiana.

Workaround: Full 30 team control for off-season signings. Eh.


5. Teams signing stupid amounts of players at the same position. The Phoenix suns currently have 8 guards on their roster. I don't get it.

Workaround: Full 30 team control. Sadly.

[CaseIH]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

I haven't encountered any of these issues yet aside from the following;

1. Draft classes with weird attributes, e.g centres with 99 speed and 6'11 point guards.

Workaround: I create (or download) my own draft class for every second year. Set the draft quality to 0 which means every other draft (generated by CPU) I only have to edit the top 4 or 5 players as the rest are busts anyway and don't make it into playing major minutes. So for every year there's a bad draft it's followed by a year of good draft.


2. Players being signed to insane contracts. LMA got maxed out by the Spurs for example (5 years).

Workaround: There is none. Even with full 30 team control players won't sign for less than they believe they're worth. Thoughts right now; could edit the contracts post signing or lower the players attributes until they sign a more sensible deal then boost them back up. Issue with that is it's so time consuming.


3. Euro stash. I just can't get this option to work, they never come over.

Workaround: none.


4. Players signing for dumb teams. E.g Westbrook and OKC won a title in my first year (I was playing as Knicks). The following off-season Westbrook left OKC to join the Bulls where they went on to miss the playoffs the following season. This is illogical. Similar thing happened with KD who left Golden State for Indiana.

Workaround: Full 30 team control for off-season signings. Eh.


5. Teams signing stupid amounts of players at the same position. The Phoenix suns currently have 8 guards on their roster. I don't get it.

Workaround: Full 30 team control. Sadly.

So draft classes are still junk, they hype this up that they work on this area, smh. I just took a glance at them, so I hadnt seen that yet, but I had a feeling they were still junk, as I noticed a bunch of 7ft'ers in every generated draft, which is a problem every year. It really gets frustrating when they hype up that they fixed a issue, thats been there for yrs, only for it not be fixed. I dont know if its that darn hard to code generated drafts, or if they just lie about it, or they do tweak it, but dont really test it. I dare say they just flat out lie, my guess just like MyLeague and MyGM, they dont test the game very well, or those who test these modes, are clueless when it comes to basketball and the NBA.

[LorenzoDC]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

This is not a small-time nuisance at this magnitude. I mean, it essentially takes half your options of the table. Basically all you can do is extend a player (rather than take your chances in the open market and see what other teams offer) and the same holds true for the cpu.

This might also explain the utter lack of medium-sized contracts, which is exactly what these sort of players would command. The automatic renouncing of rights of almost every player (even good starters !) also clears up unrealistic capspace for teams to make a big signing and then turn around and still sign a few of their veterans (for which the wrongly assigned non-bird/early-bird rights are more than enough)

I thought the part I highlighted in blue was really interesting.

The other stuff you found highlights the difficulty the ML/MGM team is having layering logic/decision systems onto other logic systems. Degrees of error or lack of precision in one system gets amplified when another system, with its own lack of precision or design, relies on it. Error multiplies error and scales out to unintended effect. This is why testing is more important than ever for these modes as they add complexity with these new cap rules and options. Add in all those overpowered, high rated rookies and the CPU just cannot cope. That's how you get 8 guards on the Suns.

In the situation you've described (nice work!) we have these kinda sloppy role on team designations having a greater effect on CPU decision making and roster construction now that some of the new CBA options are in the game. There are two problems here: first is the flawed logic and second is the fact that manual, user based control is getting overriden by this CPU decision making.

At least in the past, with 30 team control, you could provide more intelligence to CPU signing and roster construction decisions as a stopgap. But now apparently the user can't even do that.

I have a feeling it's going to take Dave's team more than one patch to untangle these knots as best they can.

[davez]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

Hey...sorry for all these problems but we are following these threads and working on fixes. A bunch of people have been on vacation (like me now), but we're still looking into this stuff and reading up on all the issues.

Leftos has already fixed the issues with the duplicated euro stash players and the issue with 7' PGs in draft classes (bug was related to the euro stash - things were getting shifted around in the data once a player was duplicated, so the data stopped lining up - so you'd get all sorts of position/attribute mismatches). Both these fixes were approved for the emergency patch which will come out soon (don't have an exact date/time).

[SuperNova854]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

Thank you!

[LorenzoDC]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

Hey...sorry for all these problems but we are following these threads and working on fixes. A bunch of people have been on vacation (like me now), but we're still looking into this stuff and reading up on all the issues.

Leftos has already fixed the issues with the duplicated euro stash players and the issue with 7' PGs in draft classes (bug was related to the euro stash - things were getting shifted around in the data once a player was duplicated, so the data stopped lining up - so you'd get all sorts of position/attribute mismatches). Both these fixes were approved for the emergency patch which will come out soon (don't have an exact date/time).

Sorry about your vacation.

Thanks for the update!

I see you, Leftos.

[extremeskins04]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

Hey...sorry for all these problems but we are following these threads and working on fixes. A bunch of people have been on vacation (like me now), but we're still looking into this stuff and reading up on all the issues.

Leftos has already fixed the issues with the duplicated euro stash players and the issue with 7' PGs in draft classes (bug was related to the euro stash - things were getting shifted around in the data once a player was duplicated, so the data stopped lining up - so you'd get all sorts of position/attribute mismatches). Both these fixes were approved for the emergency patch which will come out soon (don't have an exact date/time).

Excellent news! Enjoy your vacation!!

[CrimsionXBL]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

Hey...sorry for all these problems but we are following these threads and working on fixes. A bunch of people have been on vacation (like me now), but we're still looking into this stuff and reading up on all the issues.

Leftos has already fixed the issues with the duplicated euro stash players and the issue with 7' PGs in draft classes (bug was related to the euro stash - things were getting shifted around in the data once a player was duplicated, so the data stopped lining up - so you'd get all sorts of position/attribute mismatches). Both these fixes were approved for the emergency patch which will come out soon (don't have an exact date/time).

Any chance this was included in this latest patch?

[vuje85]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

I haven't encountered any of these issues yet aside from the following;

1. Draft classes with weird attributes, e.g centres with 99 speed and 6'11 point guards.

Workaround: I create (or download) my own draft class for every second year. Set the draft quality to 0 which means every other draft (generated by CPU) I only have to edit the top 4 or 5 players as the rest are busts anyway and don't make it into playing major minutes. So for every year there's a bad draft it's followed by a year of good draft.


2. Players being signed to insane contracts. LMA got maxed out by the Spurs for example (5 years).

Workaround: There is none. Even with full 30 team control players won't sign for less than they believe they're worth. Thoughts right now; could edit the contracts post signing or lower the players attributes until they sign a more sensible deal then boost them back up. Issue with that is it's so time consuming.


3. Euro stash. I just can't get this option to work, they never come over.

Workaround: none.


4. Players signing for dumb teams. E.g Westbrook and OKC won a title in my first year (I was playing as Knicks). The following off-season Westbrook left OKC to join the Bulls where they went on to miss the playoffs the following season. This is illogical. Similar thing happened with KD who left Golden State for Indiana.

Workaround: Full 30 team control for off-season signings. Eh.


5. Teams signing stupid amounts of players at the same position. The Phoenix suns currently have 8 guards on their roster. I don't get it.

Workaround: Full 30 team control. Sadly.

Workaround for this post: Myleague online.

[extremeskins04]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

Workaround for this post: Myleague online.

Wait, is there like an online tuner or something or do you mean playing with 30 other players?

[CaseIH]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

Hey...sorry for all these problems but we are following these threads and working on fixes. A bunch of people have been on vacation (like me now), but we're still looking into this stuff and reading up on all the issues.

Leftos has already fixed the issues with the duplicated euro stash players and the issue with 7' PGs in draft classes (bug was related to the euro stash - things were getting shifted around in the data once a player was duplicated, so the data stopped lining up - so you'd get all sorts of position/attribute mismatches). Both these fixes were approved for the emergency patch which will come out soon (don't have an exact date/time).

Thanks for the update. If you get these issues ironed out, this will be by far the best basketball game, as well as best sports game ever made.

[Mikelopedia]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

Hey...sorry for all these problems but we are following these threads and working on fixes. A bunch of people have been on vacation (like me now), but we're still looking into this stuff and reading up on all the issues.

Leftos has already fixed the issues with the duplicated euro stash players and the issue with 7' PGs in draft classes (bug was related to the euro stash - things were getting shifted around in the data once a player was duplicated, so the data stopped lining up - so you'd get all sorts of position/attribute mismatches). Both these fixes were approved for the emergency patch which will come out soon (don't have an exact date/time).

Thanks alot Dave, really appreciate you taking the time to keep us in the loop.

Havent done my deep dive yet as far as CBA stuff goes, but one minor thing that I havent seen yet mentioned in this thread that I noticed in a quick test last night is that the extention deadline (which is supposed to be the day before the regular season starts for rookie scale extentions) is coming and going with guys' status remaining "undecided" the whole year.
*note* designated veteran extentions (super max extentions as ya'll call them) also have a deadline of the day before the regular season

[Whomario]

Re: MyGM/MyLeague : Bird Rights not working/displaying and RFA not functioning

Hey...sorry for all these problems but we are following these threads and working on fixes. A bunch of people have been on vacation (like me now), but we're still looking into this stuff and reading up on all the issues.

Leftos has already fixed the issues with the duplicated euro stash players and the issue with 7' PGs in draft classes (bug was related to the euro stash - things were getting shifted around in the data once a player was duplicated, so the data stopped lining up - so you'd get all sorts of position/attribute mismatches). Both these fixes were approved for the emergency patch which will come out soon (don't have an exact date/time).

Thanks for coming out, manning up to the issues and getting back to work improving on what can truly be a great game

Aside from the financial issues/faulty mechanic detailed here, it would be really need to get improved contract demands (didn't you guys to sth to the other direction, raising them up, last year via tuner/without an actual patch ?) and player progression/regression still needs some work, especially with regard to 3 point ratings and there the 3 point standing attribute in particular. For some reason this is still developing too rapidly.

Overall the mode has significant upside, just gotta iron out the main issues. Minor issues or things up for interpretation can always be dealt with on the user side.