AI Defense Sometimes Getting Lost On Help Defense For No Reason

[cactusruss]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

I'm not trying to sound condescending or anything, but do you guys even watch real life NBA basketball? Harden looked like he was about to drive the lane so the defender slid over to help protect the rim and left his guy open, Harden kicked out to the open man and he hit a 3. This happens all the time in the NBA. Eventually teams will adjust and stay on their man but acting like someone would never leave their assignment to help protect against a superstar driving the lane is just silly.

I do agree that the CPU takes too many threes though. But again, the GIF posted here is something that happens in real life NBA games all the time.

[RxBis]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

So how often should this happen?

too often..

I tinkered with some of the defensive settings and did "guard perimeter" That looks like he was double teaming. There's a lot of things you can do on defense that might allevitate the problem. I've had it happen a few times, but not too extensively...

ill give it a try

I'm not trying to sound condescending or anything, but do you guys even watch real life NBA basketball? Harden looked like he was about to drive the lane so the defender slid over to help protect the rim and left his guy open, Harden kicked out to the open man and he hit a 3. This happens all the time in the NBA. Eventually teams will adjust and stay on their man but acting like someone would never leave their assignment to help protect against a superstar driving the lane is just silly.

I do agree that the CPU takes too many threes though. But again, the GIF posted here is something that happens in real life NBA games all the time.

i know what you are talking about, but this is one example out of many. If you take a closer look at the gif, im setting a screen for harden and chandler is right there to back up the guy im screening, there is absolutely no need for the other guy to help

[Goffs]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

Is this the Otto Porter defense? I didn't want to originally start a thread about this but I bumped that OG's thread up for some help.

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...lagher-49.html

Page 49 should help you guys with some tips....it works but I'm lazy and don't want to mess with the settings much.

[Thrustie]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

It's the same as he Otto Porter glitch but in mycareer you can't do anything to prevent it unless the corner guy is your cover. The guy covering him sags to the paint and can't close fast enough after the pass to contest the shot. It's frustrating because a lot of the time, there's not even a really imminent threat of a drive. I had the Bulls hitting Mirotic in the corner 4 possessions in a row. Still love the game but I really wish they'd fix that.

[Goffs]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

It's the same as he Otto Porter glitch but in mycareer you can't do anything to prevent it unless the corner guy is your cover. The guy covering him sags to the paint and can't close fast enough after the pass to contest the shot. It's frustrating because a lot of the time, there's not even a really imminent threat of a drive. I had the Bulls hitting Mirotic in the corner 4 possessions in a row. Still love the game but I really wish they'd fix that.

Ah yeah...you have no control for MyCareer and it sucks. This was a bad design choice IMO....nobody camps that far out. I hope an ACE update will help.

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[BluFu]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

So how often should this happen?

This should never ever happen. NBA defenders don't run away from shooters and plant themselves aimlessly in the paint.

[jlaz]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

This should never ever happen. NBA defenders don't run away from shooters and plant themselves aimlessly in the paint.

exactly, there was no call for that senseless rotation.

[DC]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

So my question is always this. How can a basketball video game accurately simulate bad awareness without us saying the game is BROKEN?

Bad awareness happens MULTIPLE times during real games, so to PURPOSELY replicate that in a video game without you thinking it is a GAME issue vs. it being a defender just being out of position.

Please answer

[DC]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

This should never ever happen. NBA defenders don't run away from shooters and plant themselves aimlessly in the paint.

What should defensive mishaps look like?

We keep saying what it SHOULDN'T look like but nobody ever says what it looks like

[Thrustie]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

So my question is always this. How can a basketball video game accurately simulate bad awareness without us saying the game is BROKEN?

Bad awareness happens MULTIPLE times during real games, so to PURPOSELY replicate that in a video game without you thinking it is a GAME issue vs. it being a defender just being out of position.

Please answer

I'm ok with it happening a few times a game for sure but it's pretty chronic. And it doesn't appear to be simulating bad awareness. It just seems like they always code the defender covering the corner guy to sag to the basket to protect the drive. I've seen the same defender get burned 4 plays in a row which isn't realistic.

I'd be totally ok with the play if the ball handler was actually driving to the bucket and the corner cover was coming to help. But most times the ball carrier is at the top of the 3 point line, with everyone in defensive position yet buddy is camping under the basket while his cover sits open in the corner. If it's Roberson, sure, but Mirotic?

[jlaz]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

So my question is always this. How can a basketball video game accurately simulate bad awareness without us saying the game is BROKEN?

Bad awareness happens MULTIPLE times during real games, so to PURPOSELY replicate that in a video game without you thinking it is a GAME issue vs. it being a defender just being out of position.

Please answer

if that's the case then it would be great if a dev popped in and clarified it as intentional programming so we can pit an end to it. since no dev ever did last year after the countless threads full of endless pages of broken defense, my guess is that it's a bug.

[jlaz]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

I'm ok with it happening a few times a game for sure but it's pretty chronic. And it doesn't appear to be simulating bad awareness. It just seems like they always code the defender covering the corner guy to sag to the basket to protect the drive. I've seen the same defender get burned 4 plays in a row which isn't realistic.

I'd be totally ok with the play if the ball handler was actually driving to the bucket and the corner cover was coming to help. But most times the ball carrier is at the top of the 3 point line, with everyone in defensive position yet buddy is camping under the basket while his cover sits open in the corner. If it's Roberson, sure, but Mirotic?

right, the big is already showing in the paint. theres no sensible reason for that rotation, it wouldnt even happen in a hs game.

[BluFu]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

What should defensive mishaps look like?

We keep saying what it SHOULDN'T look like but nobody ever says what it looks like

We already see regular defensive mishaps in the game though. Shooters can get left open throughout the course of the game naturally off of drive & kicks, double teams, post up & kick-outs, as well as designed plays. That's basketball.

Defenders running off of a shooter to the paint when there is absolutely no driving threat imminent is not excusable as a "defensive mishap". It's poor (or rather, broken) logic.

[extremeskins04]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

Quick questions:

1. What is the Awareness and IQ of that defender? Who's the player?

2. Do you have Help defense on Auto, whether it's screen or drive?

3. What sliders are you using? Default?

[ch46647]

Re: AI defense is broken.. again..

IMO, the only change OG would have to make is ensure the CPU is programmed to play "tight" on all shooters with a 3-point rating "x" or higher (maybe 85) and make sure they are not rotating to help on a PNR.

On a side note- Is anyone having an issue with the manual "defensive settings" changing? (ACE off)