The Snatchback Dribble Move is the Most Cheesiest Thing Ever

[Thunderhorse]

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This is my experience with it on ProAM. I'm not the best defender but definitely feel like there are more than a few times where I can do nothing about it. Maybe I need to learn how to defend without LT

I keep my hands up and try to get that "grab" animation.

Like someone said before me. Concede the two.

[Korrupted]

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Most OP move in the game. From a PRO-AM perspective it's almost impossible to defend. You can anticipate it all you want, let go of LT/R2 and the animation will still happen. The only legit counter is to hold B right before it happens if you can. Sometimes you'll randomly fall doing it so you gotta be careful. This and blow by animations have been a legitimate complaint for months and no fix. These issues are also in the Combine lol.

[splashmountain]

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It's funny, I rarely use the move. But I've stopped it a few times. You just need to know it's coming. If a users doesn't do it for a whole game and then pulls it out at that one moment. Your done. But if you know it's coming. You can break the animation. You just have to press towards the offensive player on the drive.

But see why people want it out.

It's just like the hip riding animation. Everyone complained that the defender got to foul and bump you over and over. So they ask for more openness. @k adds the hip riding animation. We all know how that turned out this year (I'm personally ok with it).

this is only partially true.

Unless you're a pure defender or you're going up against someone thats not a pure playmaker or playmaker/shot creator.

Then what you stated will work if you time it right.


But if you're only a partial defender and defense is your 2ndary. nite nite
vs someone who really knows how to abuse these animations.

Its similar to the fake that playmakers(especially pures) will dribble side to side even if you are sitting on one side of their body daring them to come your way. it doesnt matter. they wont lose the ball most of the time. the animation will have them dribble THRU your body.

What 2k did is made it so that there's a lot more clipping with these animations in order to make people feel free. I think they took a shortcut to implement the feeling of freedom. but thats what happens when you have strict deadlines.

What they should have done is make it more realistic. have you ever noticed when 2k fixes something. they always break something else? Thats because when they fix the broken thing they nurf it. they dont actually FIX it. there's a difference.

how it should work.

Guy is running down court full speed with the ball. defender is smashing that Right trigger(Sprinting) hard with the offensive guy.

The offensive guy hits that snatch back... The defender didnt know when it was coming so he didnt slow down. This guy should slide a bit before being able to stop his momentum. the distance of the slide is based on 4 things.
#1 is the defensive player a defender(pure, primary, or 2ndary.
#2 what is his speed/quickness
#3 Size/Weight of the player.
#4 how good is the defender at anticipating that move(laying off the sprint button almost at the same time as the offensive guy = great)

But its not based on those things at all.

The same goes for the ankle break animation when someone dribbles side to side. You dont even have to move at all. Depending on your badges as a defender. You might Fall or the crowd will go OOO while your guy goes into a partial collapse of the legs. How unrealistic is that? That does not happen in real life at all. You cant break my ankles if I aint moving side to side with you because I know you're not going forward so why waste my energy.

But that is something the kids like to see.

The way it should work:

Offensive guy dribbles hard right. Then crosses back left out of the blue.

Defensive guy doesnt anticipate the cross over and is still smashing the sprint button to slide his feet to his left(which is the offensive players right)

This guys ankles should be broken. Now how badly has to do with the above 1-4.

^^Thats how you fix it. 2k for whatever reason wont do that fix even though they can. They will choose the other method. Next year if we have complained enough about it. They will just turn down how often the ankle breaker or snap back animation kicks in. thats it and thats all. Or they will allow the defender to grab and hold the guy more without a foul. that again is not realistic. but thats how they usually fix big issues like that.

[jeebs9]

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this is only partially true.

Unless you're a pure defender or you're going up against someone thats not a pure playmaker or playmaker/shot creator.

Then what you stated will work if you time it right.


But if you're only a partial defender and defense is your 2ndary. nite nite
vs someone who really knows how to abuse these animations.

Its similar to the fake that playmakers(especially pures) will dribble side to side even if you are sitting on one side of their body daring them to come your way. it doesnt matter. they wont lose the ball most of the time. the animation will have them dribble THRU your body.

What 2k did is made it so that there's a lot more clipping with these animations in order to make people feel free. I think they took a shortcut to implement the feeling of freedom. but thats what happens when you have strict deadlines.

What they should have done is make it more realistic. have you ever noticed when 2k fixes something. they always break something else? Thats because when they fix the broken thing they nurf it. they dont actually FIX it. there's a difference.

how it should work.

Guy is running down court full speed with the ball. defender is smashing that Right trigger(Sprinting) hard with the offensive guy.

The offensive guy hits that snatch back... The defender didnt know when it was coming so he didnt slow down. This guy should slide a bit before being able to stop his momentum. the distance of the slide is based on 4 things.
#1 is the defensive player a defender(pure, primary, or 2ndary.
#2 what is his speed/quickness
#3 Size/Weight of the player.
#4 how good is the defender at anticipating that move(laying off the sprint button almost at the same time as the offensive guy = great)

But its not based on those things at all.

The same goes for the ankle break animation when someone dribbles side to side. You dont even have to move at all. Depending on your badges as a defender. You might Fall or the crowd will go OOO while your guy goes into a partial collapse of the legs. How unrealistic is that? That does not happen in real life at all. You cant break my ankles if I aint moving side to side with you because I know you're not going forward so why waste my energy.

But that is something the kids like to see.

The way it should work:

Offensive guy dribbles hard right. Then crosses back left out of the blue.

Defensive guy doesnt anticipate the cross over and is still smashing the sprint button to slide his feet to his left(which is the offensive players right)

This guys ankles should be broken. Now how badly has to do with the above 1-4.

^^Thats how you fix it. 2k for whatever reason wont do that fix even though they can. They will choose the other method. Next year if we have complained enough about it. They will just turn down how often the ankle breaker or snap back animation kicks in. thats it and thats all. Or they will allow the defender to grab and hold the guy more without a foul. that again is not realistic. but thats how they usually fix big issues like that.

You don't need any fancy things. All you need to do is Release L2. And press towards the defender before he goes back. It will break the animation every time. Try it out in one on one. And didn't matter the ratings. You just need to know when it's coming.

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[Rockie_Fresh88]

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How about they just take it out the game lol

[splashmountain]

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You don't need any fancy things. All you need to do is Release L2. And press towards the defender before he goes back. It will break the animation every time. Try it out in one on one. And didn't matter the ratings. You just need to know when it's coming.

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see thats the thing. nothing i said was fancy at all. its basketball. Thats all i was describing. how to put real basketball into the game. Would you do what you're saying in real life to stop someone from doing a snatch back move that normally boosts you backwards 5 feet? NO. because in real life you dont get blown backwards just because someone did a move. Unless you were running hard with the guy and he caught you off guard.

[splashmountain]

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How about they just take it out the game lol

No, dont do that. thats what they usually do. remember when they took the hopstep out of the game because they didnt choose to fix the issue.

Fix the real issue. people do snatch back dribbles in real life. some people will create space with it when /if defenders go for the move.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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No, dont do that. thats what they usually do. remember when they took the hopstep out of the game because they didnt choose to fix the issue.

Fix the real issue. people do snatch back dribbles in real life. some people will create space with it when /if defenders go for the move.

You could do a snatchback last year hat didn’t push people 5 feet. Why can’t we have that back instead ? I used it all the time last year . I didn’t need the game to push my defender 5 feet for me.

[jeebs9]

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How about they just take it out the game lol

Because it actually is a move.

see thats the thing. nothing i said was fancy at all. its basketball. Thats all i was describing. how to put real basketball into the game. Would you do what you're saying in real life to stop someone from doing a snatch back move that normally boosts you backwards 5 feet? NO. because in real life you dont get blown backwards just because someone did a move. Unless you were running hard with the guy and he caught you off guard.

I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying you can stop it.

Yes in its current form. Logical it doesn't make sense to have to release the button you press defense with just to play defense lol. But I think it's because your playing aggressive defense that's why it's a check and balance kind of thing.

It's the same thing for playing defense on someone in the baseline. If they go baseline release the L2 and they go out of bounds. I think again 2k added that because defenders use to knock ball handler out of bounds with no call.

I love your suggestions man. But coding for what you're asking for isn't that easy.

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[Rockie_Fresh88]

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So let me get this straight . Y’all saying instead of having the snatchback like pre-2k18 y’all rather have the canned animation where the game pushes you back 5 feet ? Because I’m not asking for the snatch back to be removed.

I’m asking for the auto push me to hell animation to be removed .

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Behold the godly stepback. Creates 5 feet of space even if the defender has no backward momentum.

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[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Compare the snatchback in 2k17 .

It still worked. You didn’t need a canned animation to force the defender back to create space.

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[howardphillips214]

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Yeah the dribbling system in general felt better last year. More free motion but the defenders were just hella sticky. There needs to be better balance as dribbling this year feels slow and herky jerky at times. Also, high speed with ball doesn't seem to matter as much this year as everyone is just faster than defense anyways.

[jeebs9]

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So let me get this straight . Y’all saying instead of having the snatchback like pre-2k18 y’all rather have the canned animation where the game pushes you back 5 feet ? Because I’m not asking for the snatch back to be removed.

I’m asking for the auto push me to hell animation to be removed .

They added because the hip riding animation needed a break lol.

Yeah the dribbling system in general felt better last year. More free motion but the defenders were just hella sticky. There needs to be better balance as dribbling this year feels slow and herky jerky at times. Also, high speed with ball doesn't seem to matter as much this year as everyone is just faster than defense anyways.

I hated last year system. Totally sucked

[Thunderhorse]

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Yeah the dribbling system in general felt better last year. More free motion but the defenders were just hella sticky. There needs to be better balance as dribbling this year feels slow and herky jerky at times. Also, high speed with ball doesn't seem to matter as much this year as everyone is just faster than defense anyways.

Dribbling this year requires no skill. Just feather the left stick left and right, up and down, eventually you'll create the space you want. You can't even control which hand the ball is in when you come up court, it's a joke.

Dribbling was fine before. The only advantage I see to changing things is the skill gap for ball handling from a user skill standpoint has shrunk; So it's easier to play defense now.