The Snatchback Dribble Move is the Most Cheesiest Thing Ever

[oleve]

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[howardphillips214]

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Yeah, the defensive assist guy is full of crap. I haven't played with defensive assist on for 4 years. The not holding L2 is crap too. The only thing, the ONLY defense against a Sharp with this move is to stay in his jersey on the side. I mean, we're not playing stay in front of him defense anymore. I'm not worried about him driving. So I'm hanging on the SIDE of him. If he's a side to side kid, I just take away the NEXT way he wants to go. So he just side to sided me left, I'm in his right hip. He sides to the right, I'm on his left. If I'm literally ON HIS HIP then he'll bump into me and get the fumble animation cuz I'm playing hands up shading him towards the direction he doesn't and go.

Stop playing sharps vertically and only play then laterally. This way, he can have 50 points in the paint, he's not shooting over me.

[King Gro23]

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Yeah, the defensive assist guy is full of crap. I haven't played with defensive assist on for 4 years. The not holding L2 is crap too. The only thing, the ONLY defense against a Sharp with this move is to stay in his jersey on the side. I mean, we're not playing stay in front of him defense anymore. I'm not worried about him driving. So I'm hanging on the SIDE of him. If he's a side to side kid, I just take away the NEXT way he wants to go. So he just side to sided me left, I'm in his right hip. He sides to the right, I'm on his left. If I'm literally ON HIS HIP then he'll bump into me and get the fumble animation cuz I'm playing hands up shading him towards the direction he doesn't and go.

Stop playing sharps vertically and only play then laterally. This way, he can have 50 points in the paint, he's not shooting over me.

I didn't share with you guys how to play 2k basketball. In essence I said what you stated at the end.

My post was referring to real basketball. Clearly over the years they have continued to add very real world elements into 2k. If a guy shoot you chase and close out funneling him off the arc.

But clearly you guys complaining are the combine all stars

If you read my last few lines of my post I said "I will add more in 2k terms later."

I offered insight On the actual move and a defensive strategy perspective I DID NOT ADD how to Stick skill it

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[Housh123]

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I can now confirm a high weight and a high strength rating stops This.


I wasn’t getting snatched on my pure rim protector and i can now confirm they aren’t as effective on my pure post.

Making your slasher guard like 245 pounds should make you perfect on D


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[howardphillips214]

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I didn't share with you guys how to play 2k basketball. In essence I said what you stated at the end.

My post was referring to real basketball. Clearly over the years they have continued to add very real world elements into 2k. If a guy shoot you chase and close out funneling him off the arc.

But clearly you guys complaining are the combine all stars

If you read my last few lines of my post I said "I will add more in 2k terms later."

I offered insight On the actual move and a defensive strategy perspective I DID NOT ADD how to Stick skill it

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Lol this guy.

Dude, there's nothing "real world" about this game. In any sense. In various situations there can be seemingly endless new ways in which this game will defy every law of physics we have imaginable. However, there's no reason or justification that you can give me realistically or theoretically that can explain why my player slides back 6-5 feet when a sharp with 70 something playmaking does this move. Stop it.


My explanation how to defend this move is a 2k only type of defense. If I was playing defense on Steph Curry the way I do on 2k I would be the laughing stock of the NBA because he would be scoring 85 points a game on me.

The only way to play a sharp is the opposite of a slasher. You mean I can take Jordan out of the game by mistiming blocks and jumping a hundred times or waving my hand at his nuts a hundred times a possession trying to steal the ball so he's dribbling over himself a hundred times over dropping the ball and picking it back up 4 times a possession?

This game is not realistic, in any sense. This is just the worst of it.

[splashmountain]

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Do you understand competitive basketball? We will use a real world example..
You have the basketball and are driving(setting up) a drive to then combo a snatch back jumper with so.

As you drive im connected hip riding" bodying your drive. The effectiveness of a snatch back is based off of weight momentum and force.

Weight is something that could be removed from the equation because Whether it's yogi Ferrell, or big baby Davis it doesn't matter what the defenders weight or strength is. In perspective to offensive execution of the snatch

The snatch is getting a defender lateral or on heels using his opposite momentum. The ball handler prepares to then,"snatch" which is a FORCE he exerts on the defender to use and aid his explosiveness backward or cross way.

Can be subtle force a stiff limp positioned arm nudge/

a leaning shoulder bringing handlers head nose far over toes in semi crouched stance to then explode cross stream/

there is the infamous mj arm sweep/

hardens crab arm which is (off hand "ball protect" pose) in which he uses to boost his defenders momentum in wrong direction with a crab dribble one step punch all whilst it aids his snatch move.


As you speak of not preferring to be lateral or to the side of a driver. Imagine taking those said moves from a blunt square angle.. You as a defender will be impacted more.. Than if your positioned side ways in more of a open gate stance. You don't want to ride him the entire drive because that is exactly what makes the snatch so effective..,

Defensive tips are the rubber band technique ride and hop off quickly beat him to a spot. When you reach him again hit him,with a wide wingspan square close out aggressively to impead. The process of a snatch back while moving is a limited dribble move. If you are riding him from half court that's your initial issue.. He can work you to 3pt line and snatch he can work you clear to mid range and snatch ..


Also keep in mind the concept of chasing the shooter off the arc.. You don't stay in a defensive stance a lot its more a series of quick short close outs broken into sprints beating him to a spot on drives.

Ill add more in 2k terms and try to add photos

I hope all can visualize what I'm saying

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This is correct..in real life. it does not work properly in the game.

because you have to understand programming logic. the simple logic to the snatch back animation is the same as the ankle breaker animation with the audio of the crowd going "ohhhh.awwwww" when you do it.

in real life. tell the offensive player to run towards you and do that snatch back move. now i want you the defender to not move at all in any direction.

when you friend snatches back he will create his own space. but he will have to be further from where he first stood right before he did the snatch back.

you the defender is still standing in the exact same spot. you know why? You did not move in any direction. because in real life what someone else does does not affect you at all UNLESS they hit you with the shady shoulder or mj push you described. thats not in 2ks animation at all.

2k's programming of the snatch back and ankle breaker is this.

IF offensive player triggers snatch back animation=True,
THEN (animation for the defender to move back 5 feet)= TRUE.

IF (offensive player has ankle breaker badge on gold or hall of fame) = True
THEN (animation for ankles broken on defender will kick in + Crowd Audio "OooAwww" will also) = True

^^^that logic is not realistic at all. but its a very simple way to program a game's moves. and to make it easy for everyone to do said moves.

To fix the logic for the snatch back to be more realistic it should be:

Higher dribble rating = more precise dribble moves with a quicker move being done with a smoother dribbling animation.

a much lower dribble rating will slow the same dribble move down and may make the ball come loose from time to time. (This is the biggest difference between a kyrie irving and joel embid doing a serious dribbling move. they can both perform the move. But can they both perform the same dribble move with the same speed and precision over and over and over again? NO.

Defender:
High lateral quickness
Low later quickness
we don’t care about defensive iq because there are no cpus in this. we’re talking player vs player. user vs user.


So knowing the above. the new formulas should be:

IF Kyrie level high dribble(True) rated player does the snatch back dribble(TRUE) on a prime tony allen(high lateral quickness=TRUE)

THEN Kyrie will step back a full step and Tony allen’s momentum will cause him to step forward a full step(in the event Tony didn’t anticipate the move by stopping before kyrie does the move). This gives kyrie 2 full steps of space between himself and tony allen

There is no force field blow back animation pushing tony. Tony is only out of position due to his own momentum. Nothing else. if Kryie doesn’t do the step back/snatch back dribble move. guess what? Tony allen will still be off a step due to his own momentum. but that’s close enough for a light contest. for a wide open contest kyrie adds the snatch back to give himself 2 steps of space which = I’m not guarded aka WIDE OPEN.

But. if Tony does anticipate the move and stops his momentum prior to kyrie snatching the ball back. Remember tony still has momentum pulling him in the direction he’s going but because he is so highly rated defensively. he can stop his moves quicker than guys rated lower and heavier guys in general.

^^This is how you create real physics with simple formulas.

^^This is also how you create a game without it being based on two player canned animations.

The ankle breaker thing works the same. the ankle breaker animation doesn’t kick in because the offensive player does a move. it kicks in because the defender is running full speed in one direction and tries to stop on a dime and go back the other direction. You don’t need a ball handler at all to see this happen.

tell someone right now. to run full speed in one direction then make them listen to you say GO back the other way before they turn around. meaning they don’t know when you will say it. Most people will break their own ankles trying to do that. and if you have them going full speed one way make them change back the other then back to the other again . They will surely break their ankles. But that has nothing to do with the ball handler. the ball handler is doing moves. the only reason the moves work on the defender is because the defender is choosing to play that kind of defense and run that hard one direction. that’s his fault.

This is how you keep these animations separate. right now 2k keeps telling us the animations are not 2 player canned. YES THEY ARE. that’s why your ankle breaker badge bothers me. that’s a two person formula.

IF said offensive guy has HOF ankle breaker badge and does a double cross force defender into ankle animation. (even if the defender never actually moves).

[IrateDreamer]

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[jeebs9]

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[Rockie_Fresh88]

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lol that DOES NOT justify the snatch back to hell. Y’all couldn’t wait to post that huh .

[jeremyp1223]

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That was nice but he basically shoulder charged him and pushed off with his right arm.

[jeebs9]

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lol that DOES NOT justify the snatch back to hell. Y’all couldn’t wait to post that huh .

That was nice but he basically shoulder charged him and pushed off with his right arm.

No way.... I could of posted the other 100 times it's happened in the NBA.

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[ph33]

The Snatchback Dribble Move is the Most Cheesiest Thing Ever

lol that DOES NOT justify the snatch back to hell. Y’all couldn’t wait to post that huh .

Still waiting for someone to justify why they think it's ok that you put your controller down and still got sent backward....

[sudanmalkovich]

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That was nice but he basically shoulder charged him and pushed off with his right arm.

I don't think he shoulder charged, but he dribbled, stopped, established footing then moved both feet. Traveled.

[splashmountain]

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No way.... I could of posted the other 100 times it's happened in the NBA.

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Thats not in This game. you guys do realize that right?

The snatch back dribble in 2k does not require any contact created by the offensive player(dribbler). Does it happen where it looks more close to the harden move? yes. but the animations that push you back have ZERO to do with contact and 100% to do with programming and a formula thats has the defenders push back animations based on the offensive player doing the dribble move itself. not actually getting contact. the move creates a StarWars Luke Use the Force type of field that blows you backwards as the defender even if there was zero contact.

DO we all AGREE with this statement? If not, please explain why you dont agree with that statement and show proof from the game. not real life.

[jeebs9]

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Well I said my part in the beginning of this thread... And I'll repeat it again. You can stop this move. You just need to know it's coming. Just press towards the offensive player and release L2.