"Buying your Player"

[GLegend1226]

Re: "Buying your Player"

you basically admitted that you stepped into 2k's trap willingly and with open eyes. even worse, they've created the trap and offered you to step into it and you thanked them for it ("oh, you made a full price game, in which i either can grind like an idiot or i can skip the grind if i pay you. thanks for being so nice, 2k! here, take my money!!!").

or in other words, what you are saying is, they screwed you from behind but you're too weak to withstand anyways.

If thats what you got out of what I wrote...... that Im too weak to grind out my player? Ok then...you missed the point.

My point was that theres this false narrative on whats acceptable or not. And I guess by your standards, the person who waits for 2k19 to come out to buy 2k18 is a genius since they saved money. Or the person who buys a system at launch is falling for ol banana in the tailpipe since we know there will be another "pro" or x version in a couple of years.

My point wasnt to make a divide or make one way sound better than the other. It was moreso to say that everyone shouldnt be lumped into the same bowl. So everyone who buys the anniversay edition or who buys the extra VC is not a sucka, as if they dont all know what theyre doing. You can be a good player who invest more into the game and you can be a scrub who "grinds" from a 60 to 90. Some time its about how you want to invest your time and money. Neither is wrong.

With that being said there are times where companies can take advantage of that by raising the prices, or making it harder to grind. But that is what fourms and customer feed back is for. But if you think youre going to eliminate microtransctions from the gaming industry, youre mistaken.
The good thing is that we have choices. You choose to do it your way, some choose otherwise. And thats ok.

[barond57]

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If thats what you got out of what I wrote...... that Im too weak to grind out my player? Ok then...you missed the point.

My point was that theres this false narrative on whats acceptable or not. And I guess by your standards, the person who waits for 2k19 to come out to buy 2k18 is a genius since they saved money. Or the person who buys a system at launch is falling for ol banana in the tailpipe since we know there will be another "pro" or x version in a couple of years.

My point wasnt to make a divide or make one way sound better than the other. It was moreso to say that everyone shouldnt be lumped into the same bowl. So everyone who buys the anniversay edition or who buys the extra VC is not a sucka, as if they dont all know what theyre doing. You can be a good player who invest more into the game and you can be a scrub who "grinds" from a 60 to 90. Some time its about how you want to invest your time and money. Neither is wrong.

With that being said there are times where companies can take advantage of that by raising the prices, or making it harder to grind. But that is what fourms and customer feed back is for. But if you think youre going to eliminate microtransctions from the gaming industry, youre mistaken.
The good thing is that we have choices. You choose to do it your way, some choose otherwise. And thats ok.

I’m a 100% with you OP.

[ViolenceFight]

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If thats what you got out of what I wrote...... that Im too weak to grind out my player? Ok then...you missed the point.

My point was that theres this false narrative on whats acceptable or not. And I guess by your standards, the person who waits for 2k19 to come out to buy 2k18 is a genius since they saved money. Or the person who buys a system at launch is falling for ol banana in the tailpipe since we know there will be another "pro" or x version in a couple of years.

My point wasnt to make a divide or make one way sound better than the other. It was moreso to say that everyone shouldnt be lumped into the same bowl. So everyone who buys the anniversay edition or who buys the extra VC is not a sucka, as if they dont all know what theyre doing. You can be a good player who invest more into the game and you can be a scrub who "grinds" from a 60 to 90. Some time its about how you want to invest your time and money. Neither is wrong.

With that being said there are times where companies can take advantage of that by raising the prices, or making it harder to grind. But that is what fourms and customer feed back is for. But if you think youre going to eliminate microtransctions from the gaming industry, youre mistaken.
The good thing is that we have choices. You choose to do it your way, some choose otherwise. And thats ok.

Again, this. Buying VC doesn't artificially shorten the skill gap. I've taken IllSmak to the park with his damned 68 overall short power forward and watched him kill 90s in terms of fakes, movement and skill.

The player behind the screen, and their ability to work with the tools they're given, matter a lot more than overall. A good chunk of the player base of ANY game always has this wrong. There is absolutely an inherent advantage in having a 90, but I can vouch for watching 60s and 70s run 90 overall godsquads off the court in park last year by playing basketball.

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[El_Poopador]

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With that being said there are times where companies can take advantage of that by raising the prices, or making it harder to grind. But that is what fourms and customer feed back is for. But if you think youre going to eliminate microtransctions from the gaming industry, youre mistaken.
The good thing is that we have choices. You choose to do it your way, some choose otherwise. And thats ok.

The only problem with your argument is that this is exactly what 2K has done since introducing VC. Luckily, customer feedback has been strong, and they have seemingly pulled back a bit for 2K19.

Personally, I spent $20 on VC the first year (2K13?), and haven't spent a dime on it since. It's bad for the consumer in my opinion. I'm in the same boat, that I don't have as much time to game as I used to, but I'm not going to spend more money on the same product just because I don't have time.

If they made the game fun from the beginning, VC would be a non-issue. A player who is NBA-caliber, or at least has the skill and athleticism of the other players on the court (whether that's college, high school, China, whatever), would be fun to build up. But having a player slower than Yao Ming, weaker than Jose Calderon, a worse shooter than Dwight Howard, a worse defender than Isaiah Thomas, etc. and matching up against guys like Lebron, Kyrie, Curry, etc., practically begs the player to spend extra money to level up.

Coupled with the lack of matchmaking against other players online, where you can take your 60 OVR and get matched against a team of 80s, and you have to understand where the frustration lies. Especially when you have to wait 15-20 minutes to find a game. Proper matchmaking based on OVR and W/L record instead of the awful Park/Got Next system would go a long way to quelling that frustration.

[Goffs]

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I just put 20 bucks like I do every year and grind the rest of the way. Besides from the looks of things it's going to be easier to grind in this years version.

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[MrWrestling3]

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While there are certainly aspects of VC I do not agree with(namely the constant in your face marketing techniques designed to take advantage of people who have problems controlling impulses),I will say this:

I think the problem lies more in the matchmaking for modes like Walk On; If I'm grinding from 60 and the next guy spent money to get to 85, we shouldn't really be in the same lobbies just due to differences in attribute levels and the way the game mechanics handles them.

According to Ronnie, there are supposed to be Ranked courts this year; if that's true and people can play at a competitive level without having to be maxed, then I think alot of the issues about "bought" players will be settled.

[ViolenceFight]

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While there are certainly aspects of VC I do not agree with(namely the constant in your face marketing techniques designed to take advantage of people who have problems controlling impulses),I will say this:

I think the problem lies more in the matchmaking for modes like Walk On; If I'm grinding from 60 and the next guy spent money to get to 85, we shouldn't really be in the same lobbies just due to differences in attribute levels and the way the game mechanics handles them.

According to Ronnie, there are supposed to be Ranked courts this year; if that's true and people can play at a competitive level without having to be maxed, then I think alot of the issues about "bought" players will be settled.

They've needed the ranked thing for a long while now.

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[pauliewalnutzz824]

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I just put 20 bucks like I do every year and grind the rest of the way. Besides from the looks of things it's going to be easier to grind in this years version.

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Yup, same.

[ph33]

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They've needed the ranked thing for a long while now.

In addition to that, I hope in the future that they can implement putting people in the right positions. I don't mind waiting a little longer to make sure I'm not playing on a team that has 3 centers or 4 point guards.

[ODogg]

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I think people should respect other people's choices in how they get to the end game. I can sort of see why folks may not like it too much if others pay money and get what they got by grinding it out but you made that decision and had that option too so it's not really unfair.

I look at it this way, I value my time enough that I find value in boosting a bit at the start to get my character up. However, I also don't want to cheat myself out of the game experience and satisfaction of getting my character advanced.

I think we all have to have a healthy balance of what we feel is right for our own situation and however that works out is not something others should hold against them.

[GLegend1226]

Re: "Buying your Player"

While there are certainly aspects of VC I do not agree with(namely the constant in your face marketing techniques designed to take advantage of people who have problems controlling impulses),I will say this:

I think the problem lies more in the matchmaking for modes like Walk On; If I'm grinding from 60 and the next guy spent money to get to 85, we shouldn't really be in the same lobbies just due to differences in attribute levels and the way the game mechanics handles them.

According to Ronnie, there are supposed to be Ranked courts this year; if that's true and people can play at a competitive level without having to be maxed, then I think alot of the issues about "bought" players will be settled.

This is a great point. If you can have the option to be on courts that are just for 60s, one for 70s, 80s, 90s. You can even make them themed (70 courts all funkadelic, 80s set up with boomboxs, LL Cool J/Run DMC music,etc). That would be an incentive for me to not want to jump right up to 85 +.

[EddieK76]

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So this can kinda be compared (albeit loosely) to an athlete who is a quality player but goes for private instruction or lessons for his/her sport. They aren't out there grinding on their own they are purchasing that instruction where users are purchasing VC to get their player up to the level they want them. I for one consider us lucky that the price of video games have not risen on the purchase of the said license of the game for a long time (I can't recall the last time a game wasn't 59.99 on the PS4) but they give us the option if we want to or not to purchase VC on our own.

I buy VC for NBA2k but I don't buy stubs for MLB where as I grind on diamond dynasty and while I hate playing an all diamond team I consider it a hefty challenge where I have to play my best. Both my boys get 50 dollars of VC throughout the entire version of the game....They use that how they want when they want but once it's out it's out and either they need to do more chores around the house or use their birthday money to get that. I do this for them because I'm essentially share 2k with them and in reality the game is only costing me 20 bucks per person.

[Jrocc23]

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This type of stuff has always been kind of funny to me lately. Back around 2K10-2K11, me and my teammates used to clown on people that used to hack themselves to a high rating. Now, I am one of the guys that’s definitely paying to get MyPlayer up. I still feel that way because most of them just didn’t stop at getting a high rating. They’d hack tendencies, the caps they were supposed to have, height and etc.

The thing is, I think if it wasn’t something 2K encouraged by offering VC and tying in all these things you cannot do until you’re a certain overall and etc, a lot more people would be grinding. If there was no VC and stuff like that, I would easily grind because I’ll feel I am mostly on the same playing field as most players.

Today, I wouldn’t really be able to play with my friends when the game came out because the majority is going to use VC they got from preordering or paying to get to 85 and I would be a huge liability, no matter how skilled I feel I am at the game. I wouldn’t be able to do a lot of things as a low overall with how 2K ties your overall to things you can do just not on the court but off.


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[El_Poopador]

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The thing is, I think if it wasn’t something 2K encouraged by offering VC and tying in all these things you cannot do until you’re a certain overall and etc, a lot more people would be grinding. If there was no VC and stuff like that, I would easily grind because I’ll feel I am mostly on the same playing field as most players.

Today, I wouldn’t really be able to play with my friends when the game came out because the majority is going to use VC they got from preordering or paying to get to 85 and I would be a huge liability, no matter how skilled I feel I am at the game. I wouldn’t be able to do a lot of things as a low overall with how 2K ties your overall to things you can do just not on the court but off.


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It's not just about the ratings, either. Things like free throws and the jump shot creator are locked behind OVR ratings, meaning you can't even choose your basic animations until you reach a certain level. If I want to try to recreate my real life jumpshot in 2K, I can't do it if I don't level up. And the only way to level up is with VC. So if I want to try to make my player animate like me at all, I need to spend more money, or play for a long time with a different animation, and not have the chance to actually get used to the release I want to use.

[Jrocc23]

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It's not just about the ratings, either. Things like free throws and the jump shot creator are locked behind OVR ratings, meaning you can't even choose your basic animations until you reach a certain level. If I want to try to recreate my real life jumpshot in 2K, I can't do it if I don't level up. And the only way to level up is with VC. So if I want to try to make my player animate like me at all, I need to spend more money, or play for a long time with a different animation, and not have the chance to actually get used to the release I want to use.

Yeah, that’s what I meant by 2K tying your overall into other things. They are basically pushing you to buy VC. Especially last year.



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