If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

[49UNCFan]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

Lol okay guys

When you start getting clamped by a sharp don't say i didn't warn you.

Like Klay Thompson?

[nyk_fatboy]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

Lol okay guys

When you start getting clamped by a sharp don't say i didn't warn you.

ill take that over heavily contested greens in my face and snatch back glitches 10 times out of 10. i really dont care what archetype you are if your playing good defense you should be able to stay with your man and poke the ball loose if your opponent is giving you that type of window to do so.

[howardphillips214]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

ill take that over heavily contested greens in my face and snatch back glitches 0 times out of 10. i really dont care what archetype you are if your playing good defense you should be able to stay with your man and poke the ball loose if your opponent is giving you that type of window to do so.

I agree. But as stated previously, it shouldn't be on every possession..

When you get spammed and drop the ball by the center and you're PG I'll be right here.

[ffaacc03]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

I agree. But as stated previously, it shouldn't be on every possession..

When you get spammed and drop the ball by the center and you're PG I'll be right here.

on every possesion, hummm ...

[Bandeazyy]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

I can imagine how the OP's prelude went just from what he described.

First game: tip off, my team got the ball, press x immediately and repeatedly. Up top lets try some rhythm dribbles and between the legs and then crossover blowby! Wait...that didnt work? Plan b, called for screens, lets try that again. Hold up, out of stamina lets just pass it to the screener and get my stamina back. Great turnover...lets try it again next possession. Cool! Plan b! Yo...the defender got over the screen and is all up on me on the 3pt line? This some bs, pass again, let me get my stamina back. Wait, Backdoor cut! Spam x! Kay got it wide open lane time to take off! Hold square and hope for the...wow are you serious? How the hell is it out on me?! F this game defense is too hard. Patch time

[ViolenceFight]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

Lol. No.

Keep it where it's at please.

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[nyk_fatboy]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

I agree. But as stated previously, it shouldn't be on every possession..

When you get spammed and drop the ball by the center and you're PG I'll be right here.

welp pass the balll lol

if somebody is being aggressive with you and your not skilled enough on the sticks to counter then move the ball around, use screens. so many players are used to just sitting in corners while their guard just dribbles the clock away and rely on blowbys and glitched animations

I agree it shouldnt happen everytime but if everytime i notice you have no idea what your doing and your just trying to dribble in my face and im denying it and your losing stamina still trying to do the same thing then yes everytime you should get ripped.

there needs to be a skill gap and so far it looks promising.

[HustlaCJ]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

Just watch the CPU guard itself. The offensive player will be stumbling over himself because Joe Blow defender is pressing him. There needs to be a medium. I saw in the prelude the offensive player lose the ball twice in the same possession and get it back both times. It's ugly IMO.

In my prelude experience the CPU was pressing me out past the 3 point line and I'm not even a shooter. With the blow by being gone they stone walled me to where i couldn't drive and then immediately doubled when i got close to the paint.

It's just a bit over done because we complained too much.

I understand the game isn't even out yet, but wait and see.

16 was similar. People weren't spending attribute points in defense because the mechanics were OP.

Trust me, I'm not trying to take anything away from LDDs I'm trying to help them.

It's a bit over done because we complained too much....so your plan of action is...to complain more? Before even playing the full game?

Maybe you're just not as good as you think because I made a rebounding rim protector and was scoring at WILL in the prelude..so much so that I didn't even get excited because I KNEW it was way to easy and my build wont be dropping 20-10-8 (assists) in proam..the SG on my team made his sharp-slash and was dropping 30pts 15 assists in prelude..there was virtually no defense...

[olajuwon34]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

The game just wont let you take straight lines to the hoop anymore, unless you get past your defender completely, and im not talking about grinding him in a straight line to the hoop, i mean your not in contact with him as you go by him.

[Baebae32]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

Lets wait for release and see how it is user v. User

You will either have to change you difficulty vs the ai

Or

Maybe you dont have the skills to be a playmake in the pro am and will have to do a new build.

Eventually there will have to be a skil gap. Everyone shouldnt be able to be a point guard. There is skill in setting your defender up and tkaing advantage of angles

[Kstat]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

Lets wait for release and see how it is user v. User

You will either have to change you difficulty vs the ai

Or

Maybe you dont have the skills to be a playmake in the pro am and will have to do a new build.

Eventually there will have to be a skil gap. Everyone shouldnt be able to be a point guard. There is skill in setting your defender up and tkaing advantage of angles

1000 times this.


It's not just about being able to play defense in pro am, it's about making sure we dont have 10,000 garbage point guards chasing stats and ruining pickup games. It should take actual skill to play your position well, no matter what it is. Sharps should need to actually work to get open and pure playmakers should need to do more than go 1 on 5 the entire game.

[WarMMA]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

Nah dude it's good the way it is now. A nerf to defense will turn this game right back to 18 again with the blow by central. Last yr I could hardly lock guys up despite playing great D with an elite defender like Roberson. They would just blow by me or go through me like I wasn't even in good defensive position. This yr its the best its ever been tbh cuz it's not op. Certain guys can still blow by you and drive into contact, but they gotta do it off the right angles. If defenders are in good position and especially if they are elite defenders, you're not just gonna clear through them all easy like last yr. Leave the defense alone.

[El_Poopador]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

1000 times this.


It's not just about being able to play defense in pro am, it's about making sure we dont have 10,000 garbage point guards chasing stats and ruining pickup games. It should take actual skill to play your position well, no matter what it is. Sharps should need to actually work to get open and pure playmakers should need to do more than go 1 on 5 the entire game.

Shouldn't it also be that way for defending a player as well? I think that was what the OP was trying to say: it's too easy to stop a dribble drive, and they're worried about the game regressing to 2K16 levels of being stonewalled. And there should be a noticeable difference when going up against a pure lockdown defender vs a pure sharpshooter, for example. If everyone can lock down everyone, it may make a LDD build pointless. It's a valid concern, and let's not pretend that 2K hasn't overdone things based on complaints from the previous year.

I do agree that we need to wait and see how it goes once the game releases, but I think everyone is really overreacting to the OP.

[InRodWeTrust]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

Or you could just play away from the lockdown defender... Pass the ball to somebody else.

[Kstat]

Re: If defense isn't nerfed Lockdowns will be superfluous.

Shouldn't it also be that way for defending a player as well? I think that was what the OP was trying to say: it's too easy to stop a dribble drive, and they're worried about the game regressing to 2K16 levels of being stonewalled. It's a valid concern, and let's not pretend that 2K hasn't overdone things based on complaints from the previous year.

I do agree that we need to wait and see how it goes once the game releases, but I think everyone is really overreacting to the OP.

It should be easy to stop a thoughtless dribble drive unless there are massive attribute advantages.


Likewise, it should be easy to make wide open shots against bad defense, but it shouldn't be easy to beat good defense.