Transition Defense

[jrose57]

I am starting to get better at on-ball defense, thank you to Sam Pham's videos they work quite well...but nobody talks about transition defense yet...I find my CPU teammates terrible, like they don't switch!!!

For example, I am using the Sixers playing against the Lakers, and let's say I missed a basket and Lebron got the rebound, so Redick was the closest man so I picked Lebron up with Redick, so Redick was supposed to be guarding Caldwell-Pope but because I picked up Lebron who is the SF, my CPU controlled SF who is Covington should then know it is a switch, Covington needs to find Caldwell-Pope asap!

BUT INSTEAD, after Lebron gets over the half-court, Covington doesn't notice I am using Redick on Lebron already, he will come over and gets close to Lebron, it becomes a double-team WHICH IS NOT WHAT I WANT AND NOT ASKED FOR IT! Guess what ends up, Lebron passes it to Caldwell-Pope spots up at the corner and takes a wide open 3 and money baby all day. Btw, this is on Superstar.

Do you guys see same problem and if yes, know how to fix this plz? Whether this is a bug, or is just me who isn't good enough at the game yet?

Thank you.

[gknjr007]

Re: Transition Defense

You aren't lying! Ive seen that a million times so far and its frustrating. Same thing happens when defending the pick and roll. I might go over the screen and my teammate will double the ballhandler instead of sticking to the big man who rolls to the basket EVERYTIME

[bls]

Re: Transition Defense

I am starting to get better at on-ball defense, thank you to Sam Pham's videos they work quite well...but nobody talks about transition defense yet...I find my CPU teammates terrible, like they don't switch!!!



For example, I am using the Sixers playing against the Lakers, and let's say I missed a basket and Lebron got the rebound, so Redick was the closest man so I picked Lebron up with Redick, so Redick was supposed to be guarding Caldwell-Pope but because I picked up Lebron who is the SF, my CPU controlled SF who is Covington should then know it is a switch, Covington needs to find Caldwell-Pope asap!



BUT INSTEAD, after Lebron gets over the half-court, Covington doesn't notice I am using Redick on Lebron already, he will come over and gets close to Lebron, it becomes a double-team WHICH IS NOT WHAT I WANT AND NOT ASKED FOR IT! Guess what ends up, Lebron passes it to Caldwell-Pope spots up at the corner and takes a wide open 3 and money baby all day. Btw, this is on Superstar.



Do you guys see same problem and if yes, know how to fix this plz? Whether this is a bug, or is just me who isn't good enough at the game yet?



Thank you.

See it all the time, transition defense is still not good too me at all. I’m also trying to figure out how to make my timeout adjustments stick. I turn off ACE and the adjustments still go random. Anybody know how to fix this?


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[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: Transition Defense

The CPU doesn't switch on the fastbreak. They don't even really defend anyone, they just run the same predetermined route. Been like this since 16. It's really bad.

Your best bet is to LB + RB (L1 + R1) to the man furthest back and use him to defend the break.

I'm gonna make a thread on this when I have some time but it's gonna be such a pain gathering and editing all those clips and gifs lol.

[Baebae32]

Re: Transition Defense

One of the biggest glaring weaknesses in the game IMO. Hopefully can be fixed in 2k20

[BuZen]

Re: Transition Defense

The CPU doesn't switch on the fastbreak. They don't even really defend anyone, they just run the same predetermined route. Been like this since 16. It's really bad.

Your best bet is to LB + RB (L1 + R1) to the man furthest back and use him to defend the break.

I'm gonna make a thread on this when I have some time but it's gonna be such a pain gathering and editing all those clips and gifs lol.

Absolutely. 100% atrocious. Its a disgrace. The first man back will always run to the Lower right corner of the paint and then look for a matchup. It is obviously a script. It doesnt matter if the only open man is a 90+ 3pt shooter closing in on the 3pt line. He will always go to the paint.
I really have no idea why it is that bad. There is no excuse for this sh**

[Kushmir]

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Agree with most of this...the worst part of transition defense is probably still the long passes allowed since transition defenders are chronically turned away from the ball.

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Still, they have to actually react. Too often they turn around and simply watch the ball.

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[EarvGotti]

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Transition defense is completely broken both offline and online. It's worse than 2k17 and 2k18. Seems to be reverted back to 2K16's level of broken.

I don't use the word broken often, but this my guys is broken.

[bls]

Re: Transition Defense

This game has so many areas that need work. But this one right here.........it gets me every time. No matter if you switch to limit transition, defenders still play all the way into the lane. Even if you have the setting on deny ball it doesn’t matter. So the opposition comes on the court for a wide open 3 more often than not. It doesn’t matter what you do nor what kind of adjustments you make, they still do it.


The AI is just not up to par imo. Really they just tried to beef up defense with suction walls and glue along with passing lanes that any player can play from 1-5. Along with allowing elbow push backs, which in reality is really a foul call every time.

These past several years I’ve really been hoping to get my 2k11 fix back again, seems like 1 step forward and 2 steps back every year. Not even close imo. Skill??? Negative


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[jclazaris84]

Re: Transition Defense

i'm with u guys. it gets my vote for #1 priority 2k20.

[jrose57]

Re: Transition Defense

I am honestly expecting more people here join in this thread, becuz the problem is actually HUGE, yes you can play good defense and getting rewarded, especially after watching youtubes online, you will surely get better,

but is so frustrating when you play so well defense making stops during a half court set, but then you keep getting killed BY YOUR OWN AI TEAMMATE, when defending fast break, they don't find their own men and make stops, I keep getting owned by AI on three pointers in transition, I just don't know what to do, anyone can offer some help here??

[strawberryshortcake]

Re: Transition Defense

Spoiler

I am starting to get better at on-ball defense, thank you to Sam Pham's videos they work quite well...but nobody talks about transition defense yet...I find my CPU teammates terrible, like they don't switch!!!

For example, I am using the Sixers playing against the Lakers, and let's say I missed a basket and Lebron got the rebound, so Redick was the closest man so I picked Lebron up with Redick, so Redick was supposed to be guarding Caldwell-Pope but because I picked up Lebron who is the SF, my CPU controlled SF who is Covington should then know it is a switch, Covington needs to find Caldwell-Pope asap!

BUT INSTEAD, after Lebron gets over the half-court, Covington doesn't notice I am using Redick on Lebron already, he will come over and gets close to Lebron, it becomes a double-team WHICH IS NOT WHAT I WANT AND NOT ASKED FOR IT! Guess what ends up, Lebron passes it to Caldwell-Pope spots up at the corner and takes a wide open 3 and money baby all day. Btw, this is on Superstar.

Do you guys see same problem and if yes, know how to fix this plz? Whether this is a bug, or is just me who isn't good enough at the game yet?

Thank you.

Spoiler

I am honestly expecting more people here join in this thread, becuz the problem is actually HUGE, yes you can play good defense and getting rewarded, especially after watching youtubes online, you will surely get better,

but is so frustrating when you play so well defense making stops during a half court set, but then you keep getting killed BY YOUR OWN AI TEAMMATE, when defending fast break, they don't find their own men and make stops, I keep getting owned by AI on three pointers in transition, I just don't know what to do, anyone can offer some help here??

I am currently working on a transition defensive piece. It'll hopefully be posted here within the month; I am trying to get it done as fast as possible but I don't want to rush it (plus there are other things getting in the way). But I also need to finish it as soon as possible so I can tweet the information to the developers. I was never planning to create a twitter account. But this has prompted me to do so. I also want to confine my information to that future thread first. And that is why, as one of the many users here on OS, I am not responding to this thread yet. It's one of the massive issue that 2k needs to tackle.

What you're experiencing in your original post is no coincidence. It's not a bug. That's how 2k programs their transition defense including their stand alone half court defense. You cannot initially use the closest defender (if they are out of position) to guard the ball handler -- that's going disrupt 2k's programming logic and result in those unwanted user induced double teams. Player awareness is actually one of 2k's weak links.

To combat the lack of awareness from your teammates during transition, you cannot play on-ball defense. You must initially play off-ball defense. You have to immediately turbo sprint the player you’re already controlling back as fast as possible. Then you have to use icon player select to take control of your wing defenders or the furthest player back to fortify the perimeter first or the paint first depending on how your defenders are covering their assignments. Wait until the opposing team's ballhandler gets either near/past halfcourt, then do either one of these: take control of the person down in the paint and move him outwards (if you see your paint defender is guarding no one), then switch back to on-ball defense, or vice versa. The person furthest back could be a point guard, so you have to read the transition defense. But most importantly, you must initially play off-ball defense and simply watch your coverage.

If you do, however, select the closest the defender (JJ Reddick) to pickup Lebron James like you did in your original post. You need to be mentally prepared to know that Covington WILL come guard Lebron James, at which point you switch to Convington. At which point, the CPU will take control of Reddick and find his original assignment.

The transition defense is a complicated mess because how 2k programs the logic is chaotic. It's not you, it's the game. I understand what 2k is trying to do. But it's unrealistic.

You aren't lying! Ive seen that a million times so far and its frustrating. Same thing happens when defending the pick and roll. I might go over the screen and my teammate will double the ballhandler instead of sticking to the big man who rolls to the basket EVERYTIME

On default settings, always switch to the big man when defending the pick and roll.

[Kushmir]

Transition Defense

I am currently working on a transition defensive piece. It'll hopefully be posted here within the month.

CAN. NOT.WAIT.

In the meantime i'll keep crying about long passes and clueless transition defenders [emoji24][emoji24][emoji24].

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[Kushmir]

Re: Transition Defense

Saw this today and cheered out loud. Defender attacks long pass into his area. I would have preferred he never turned around (they should get back facing the ball) but at minimum we should see deflections out of bounds like these. Its time for the long passes and incompetent transition defense to die.

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More of these please.

[Kushmir]

Re: Transition Defense

*Sigh*

Any game against savvy players ALWAYS devolves into long passes when they need a basket.

FACT: No defense in the NBA struggles getting back after a score. A top 3 defense where transition defenders aren't facing the ball retreating and ready to pounce on passes like these? NO WAY.

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