#StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

[Kushmir]

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so I'm gonna get out of here before everyone flames me but just felt like it needed to be said...

Its not that kinda thread....but I ran the play because passing/being stationary makes these guys spam steal. If you're thinking that's the only reason its effective i'd recommend looking at the other videos as well.

[Korrupted]

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Steal spam definitely needs a nerf. It's way worse than it was in 2k17 and that's a huge problem. I have no issue with passing lanes but there should be harsher penalties for gambling. Players are able to recover way to easy after missing a steal. Spamming should also take a WAY harder hit on stamina. On top of that you have non defensive archetype centers plucking guards with ease. It's a mess right now.

[3ShowTime2]

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2k should either set a reset timer after every steal attempt to prevent spamming or simply autocall foul if someone spams X within a certain amount time.


Because either way Ive never seen a defender hacking for the ball like a psychopath in the real nba.

[ASAP Floppy]

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Had 13 last night, it was basically an auto steal for me if my PG pressed their PG and I came over to help. I'm a lockdown, also there were several passing lane steals where I didn't press a button


I feel like I should get steals, but 13 is way too much for a 20 min game.

[franzis]

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The current stealing system seems so deep into the game mechanics (and not linked to actual attributes at all) that I wonder if it can be properly patched, even if 2k wanted it.


Maybe they can just nerf the steal success rate/increase foul rate as a whole, but I don't see how they can change the animations of jumping the passing lanes, rebuild the collision system or separate the defending archetypes from the other builds.

[derlaid]

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They have the ability to change whatever the hell they want to, but they rarely are willing to put the serious time in to rebuild a game system because it's a waste of money for the developer.

Good QA would catch stuff like this before it gets past the point of being difficult to adjust, but it seems like they have QA doing traditional bug squashing and very little time spent on how the game systems interact and function together. Developers playing against each other, and then excitedly reporting the results on Twitter isn't nearly comprehensive enough with a game as complicated and frankly with as big a budget as these sports games have.

[TheFinalEvent97]

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Passing lane steals are way too easy and ball security is too low. Remember that ProAm games are half the length of a IRL NBA game. Also I'm the only person in the screenshot with defending in my build (two way athletic finisher)

[howardphillips214]

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You know it's bad when people are coming in here is their own volition being like "yeah... I get way too many steals."

Lmfao

[sammy watkins]

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In real basketball, defenders don't constantly swipe at the basketball; however, this is a video game. My solution would be, give pure lockdown defenders the ability to swipe at the ball and knock it loose. I just don't want someone who's a pure sharpshooter stealing the ball and playing the passing lines like he's Scottie Pippen lol

[ILLSmak]

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You know it's bad when people are coming in here is their own volition being like "yeah... I get way too many steals."

Lmfao

I got mad steals last year, it's funny it's op this year. I wonder if it has to do with people actually pressing square when people pass or if the animations really changed.


I think the way to fix it is probably tie the animations for stealing on the move to attributes. So like if you are there and Hve a 60 steal, you can grab it, but if you are chasing someone backdoor or running up the court your pressing steal would result in a pathetic flail if you weren't defensively inclined. That and a lot more deflections than snags. It could be the same with blocks, the ability to steal or jump quickly in succession, and the radius of your contest / steal should be tied to rating as well as the ability to break into a steal animation at full speed.



Like I said, last yr I was listening to dudes on mic and someone threw a stupid cross court pass and I pressed square and my c reached out and snatched it w one hand. They were like woahhh. Like it never occurred to people to try to steal passes. They also need to plant you more after a steal attempt. So if you try to steal a pass and it goes to another guy, your guy can cut and beat you while you are still in a fumbling missed steal animation.



-Smak

[OrlandoTill]

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Steal Spam has been addressed. Someone injected more slower steal animations and the passing is better(or in general someone moved the global steal sliders at least for the modes I play in JRC and Park). Reach-ins are also more consistent. Just hope lockdown builds weren't impacted.

Now the real conversation is the global percentages(aim for realistic 3pt percentages in the MyCareer modes or keep it as is) and whether the change to Deadeye firing is impacting the game

[VDusen04]

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I'd be curious to hear some offline opinions on steals this year. I've personally really liked having the ability to properly jump a passing lane along the perimeter. I'm usually lucky to pull it off once or twice a game against the CPU but it feels natural and clean. I hated those moments in 2K18 when I'd read a passing lane perfectly only for the ball to float through my body (or for my player to randomly swipe in the opposite direction of the ball).

In contrast, playing against a CPU player like Jason Kidd on All-Star has been a nightmare. There are times where I just want to get to the first circle on my play art but can't do so because I'm too busy getting muscled and successfully swiped at by Kidd (or Charlie Ward). There have been a lot of times where I felt like my only options, as Chauncey Billups, was to pass and get rid of the ball as soon as possible to prevent randomly having the rock poked away.

I'm a little more optimistic about the user's defensive ability this year though. I've had a difficult time over the years forcing computer turnovers. It seems possible this year, and that's nice. I recognize the issue with the steal mechanic but I also don't want to be punished each time I press the steal button when the ball appears available. A lot of the lack of CPU turnovers last year came from training myself to never, ever press the steal button because the results seemed randomly and weighted toward reach-in fouls no matter what.

Sometimes I wonder how much online and human vs. human patches are negatively affecting the offline CPU experience.

[trj_22487]

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lmao been addressed my ***. I just had a PNO game where my opponent was the Lakers and did not score a single field goal on me that was not steal spam instigated. 37 points and 30 of them were probably steamspam fast breaks. It was downright sad how my players simply could not get the ball past halfcourt 50% of the the time. That said, I still won by 10 playing sim ball and hacking Rondo/Ball/Pope/McGee/LeBron is almost a guarantee to miss 1 or 2 free throws. Stretched out the 2nd quarter for a long time with steal fouls (gotta be careful not to intentionally foul if possible) Guy messaged me and told me I was annoying...I don't understand what emotional pitch these people that stealspam every defensive play are expecting to be tossed back their way. What need is there to pressure my inbounders with 4:50 left in the 1st quarter? What are you doing lunging at every pass? Why is it so brainlessly successful? This guy probably caused 5-6 backcourt violations on me. It's hilarious after all these years that they can't implement realistic backcourt violations btw. In real life the referee would not call anything on a scramble play, but in 2K there is no such thing as a scramble play when it comes to the halfcourt line. He had 13 steals and 16 offensive rebounds in a 20 minute game. I had 16 turnovers. I've been playing this series for 20 years. What are we doing here? I used to play 2K1/2K2 online on Dreamcast and it was a far more simulation experience than this.

[Kushmir]

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I've been playing this series for 20 years. What are we doing here? I used to play 2K1/2K2 online on Dreamcast and it was a far more simulation experience than this.

Agree the steal mechanics need some changes. I'm wondering what they can change other than fouls during this cycle tho...not sure if they can tune the accuracy of passing lane steals or not. I hope they can...hearing Pro-Am is a clusterf#$% as a result.

OAN: This "lunging miss" animation from 2K17 has a turnover outcome that should be super rare. I've seen it too often and its essentially a missed steal resulting in a turnover for the ball-handler. AGAIN: We can't reward missing like this...stealing already has too many neutral outcomes to have one where you fail and are still rewarded. In 25 outcomes this should be a foul 18 times, 6 instances should have the ball go off the defender and only one where it goes off the dribbler.

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In the meantime the Swing/Miss below is what we need to see return so that guys that miss steals are punished with terrible defensive position.

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[EarvGotti]

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I feel like the steals in the passing lanes should be toned down a bit, but on ball steals are good. If you time it right you can get the steal....if you don't you can get blown by or get the reach-in foul

I know its frustrating for ballhandlers, but thats the whole point of defense. To frustrate and annoy the offensive player. The goal is to stop him from doing what he wants to do.

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