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  • Kushmir
    MVP
    • Jun 2003
    • 2414

    #91
    Re: #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

    Originally posted by EarvGotti
    Czar said that can happen but the % of it happening is very low. Also, isn't Ben Simmons ball control rating in the mid 80's? Like 86? That's not very high.

    I play My Team bro....which is as cheesy as it can get. I hardly ever get the ball stripped from me on ball. Maybe once or twice in 10 games. I use protect ball and give myself space to dribble. I do agree that steals in the passing lanes should be toned down...but on ball is fine man. Handling the ball feels dangerous and it should feel dangerous.
    Its not low in PNO I can tell you that much. Couple spam with guys with high steal ratings and they can get you while you're protecting ball. We can't pretend thats ok--especially when we have as many neutral outcomes as we do and the fouls aren't called enough. I'm not saying the Reward (a steal) can't be there....its the Risk aspect thats missing.

    Bad mechanics are still bad any way you slice it.
    NOTE: Any and ALL of my suggestions are specifically and only related to Play Now Online.

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    • UnbelievablyRAW
      MVP
      • Sep 2011
      • 1245

      #92
      Re: #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

      Can't let this thread get buried. Playing online is mostly people sprinting towards you pressing steal.

      Its like 15% of the time they get a foul call, 30-40% they get a steal (if you're not protecting) and 50% nothing happens. So people spam spam away on that square button.

      Can't tell you how many rebounds are immediately ripped because the centre just stands there spamming square and takes the ball. Doesn't matter if its a PG or C that grabs the rebound either. Or how guys can jump 12 feet in the air to catch a pass going passed half court when they are standing at the top of the key.

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      • Thrustie
        Pro
        • Sep 2016
        • 764

        #93
        Re: #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

        lol I just played with 4 randoms who were all steal spamming. 2 would harass the ball carrier with basically a 2 man full court press. They would either strip him or force him to pass it up court where 2 more would be roving to pick off passes. I wasn’t even really trying to participate but it was hard to ignore when guys were panicking throwing passes.

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        • Kushmir
          MVP
          • Jun 2003
          • 2414

          #94
          Re: #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

          Originally posted by UnbelievablyRAW
          Or how guys can jump 12 feet in the air to catch a pass going passed half court when they are standing at the top of the key.
          Yeah its as bad as its ever been....too many amazing defensive plays by guys without defensive acumen. Deion Sanders interceptions by Kyrie Irving? come now...maybe we'll see tuning on opening day.

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          This lunging "miss" below defies description. Its a lunging reach where the defender misses a steal and is beat but the ball goes off the offensive player for a turnover--how in God's name a failure reward made it into gameplay when steal success still isn't balanced has me speechless.

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          Last edited by Kushmir; 10-08-2018, 06:22 PM.
          NOTE: Any and ALL of my suggestions are specifically and only related to Play Now Online.

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          • DakkoN
            All Star
            • Sep 2006
            • 5611

            #95
            Re: #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

            This is the only basketball game where EVERY pass, even simple 5 feet passes, is a dangerous pass. It's absurd. If you don't literally walk the ball to your teammate and hand it to them, you're risking getting pick 6'd by Nnamdi Asomugha. And even if you do walk the ball to them, there are some lunging steal animations that can jump through bodies to grab it.
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            • wisdom
              Rookie
              • Jul 2013
              • 118

              #96
              Re: #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

              Originally posted by DakkoN
              This is the only basketball game where EVERY pass, even simple 5 feet passes, is a dangerous pass. It's absurd. If you don't literally walk the ball to your teammate and hand it to them, you're risking getting pick 6'd by Nnamdi Asomugha. And even if you do walk the ball to them, there are some lunging steal animations that can jump through bodies to grab it.
              2k19 is trash...no doubt...
              i really hope the balance go back between 2K16~2k17...but things go wrong as always...i m done with 2k series...
              Last edited by wisdom; 10-09-2018, 01:01 AM.

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              • laflame
                Rookie
                • Aug 2018
                • 52

                #97
                Re: #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

                I’m scared to pass the ball, but I legit can’t get past anybody (my slasher can’t blow by Denzel Valentine or Marco Belli) without a screen, makes for some stale gameplay. I’m all for improving defense in basketball games, but meanwhile I’m seeing guys not miss a shot on the perimeter. Makes the game borderline unplayable for me at times, the CPU can pick off any pass or harass me top of the key till I have to pass out but aren’t punished for the double team/being out of position because the guy I pass to will fumble with the ball at first.

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                • franzis
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 1451

                  #98
                  Re: #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

                  Originally posted by laflame
                  I’m scared to pass the ball, but I legit can’t get past anybody (my slasher can’t blow by Denzel Valentine or Marco Belli) without a screen, makes for some stale gameplay.


                  Try to start the drive from triple threat position.
                  That's how I'm having a little more success in getting past people with my slahser compared to dribble drive.
                  The difference is even greater when I'm on takeover (basically I blow by everyone from triple threat)

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                  • Thrustie
                    Pro
                    • Sep 2016
                    • 764

                    #99
                    Re: #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

                    I think if you hit the steal button and are nowhere near the ball carrier or the pass, you should lunge aggressively towards wherever the ball is. You see the animation sometimes but I mean everytime. It should be the same as hitting block when no one is near you. I mean that’s what you’re trying to do. Steal the ball. So no one can complain that your guy isn’t doing what you want. You wanted to steal the ball so he’s going all out for it. At least that would punish the spammers trying to camp passing lanes.

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                    • Hardaway1
                      Rookie
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 48

                      #100
                      Re: #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

                      The angles that people are able to use in order to steal/tip passes don't even make sense... There are certain passes that you just can't make in this game that ANY NBA player should be 100% capable of making.

                      2k has made on ball d skill irrelevant. Who cares if you can't guard your man when all you need to do is to run around swiping at the ball to eventually get a steal 70% of the time?

                      Oh the opposing teams point guard is getting past you with ease? No worries, just bring the double on the drive and constantly hit X, your help defender will be able to cover 10ft of space to his left and his right making a pass out of the incoming double team impossible. The three other defenders can do the same, so just pray your gold dimer badge is enough to slip a quick pass to your center who will brick the lay up.


                      The best way to play defense in this game is to just run around hitting X, if you try to square up, move your feet and predict your opponents offensive move and attempt the occasional steal when the ball is right in front of you IT WILL be a foul. If you run around like a maniac hitting X you WILL BE rewarded.

                      Too many times I've seen somebody hit X and lunge forward four feet and it puts them in excellent defensive position. It's insane how often poor defenders are rewarded for attempting a steal.

                      IN WHAT WORLD CAN YOU MISS TIME YOUR ATTEMPT AT PLAYING THE PASSING LANE AND END UP IN GREAT DEFENSIVE POSITION BECAUSE OF IT?

                      Only in this game..

                      And don't even get me started on the bigs who can sprint in front of you and stop all of your momentum with their body, hit x and get the steal or you just dribble off their foot 50% of the time..

                      Fix this mess 2k.

                      edit: grammar
                      Last edited by Hardaway1; 10-09-2018, 11:45 AM.

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                      • Nomdeguerre
                        Rookie
                        • Oct 2018
                        • 11

                        #101
                        Re: #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

                        Originally posted by EarvGotti
                        Again, if the ballhander is giving up 6-10 on ball steals per game then thats HIS fault. The protect ball mechanic is there for a reason...

                        Currently the protect ball mechanic has a bug, which prevents calling a play while protecting the ball. I call halfcourt plays 50 % of my offenses, and get 6-10 turnovers a game due to on-ball steals. Most of them are not the ballhandlers fault. They are the mechanics fault.


                        The bug is difficult to spot. You are busy calling a play when it happens. I rate it the most important bug to fix. This steals thread alone is 13 pages long, partly due to the bug. Yet, I don't think there's enough support requests about it to have it prioritized a fix on the next patch, because most players haven't noticed the bug.

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                        • Tengo Juego
                          MVP
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 2524

                          #102
                          Re: #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

                          Originally posted by Thrustie
                          I think if you hit the steal button and are nowhere near the ball carrier or the pass, you should lunge aggressively towards wherever the ball is. You see the animation sometimes but I mean everytime. It should be the same as hitting block when no one is near you. I mean that’s what you’re trying to do. Steal the ball. So no one can complain that your guy isn’t doing what you want. You wanted to steal the ball so he’s going all out for it. At least that would punish the spammers trying to camp passing lanes.
                          I'm trying to figure out how the devs can fix the spamming and lack of risk in steal attempts without this being the resolution and I can't think of anything. A friend suggested it be a stamina drain. Which I think would require a ton of testing and probably wouldn't work. But something has to counter players just constantly attempting to either on ball steal or jump passing lanes.

                          It's a mess. I'm fearful that this new meta is this year's issue like blow by animations that plagued 18.

                          -----
                          More importantly I'm still wanting Dev communication. Not necessarily directly, but coming out and saying "hey guys, we're looking in to your gameplay concerns." Instead it's silence and more of us wondering about the numerous issues that need addressing outside of gameplay tuning.

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                          • ASAP Floppy
                            Banned
                            • Sep 2018
                            • 177

                            #103
                            Re: #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

                            Originally posted by Tengo Juego
                            I'm trying to figure out how the devs can fix the spamming and lack of risk in steal attempts without this being the resolution and I can't think of anything. A friend suggested it be a stamina drain. Which I think would require a ton of testing and probably wouldn't work. But something has to counter players just constantly attempting to either on ball steal or jump passing lanes.

                            It's a mess. I'm fearful that this new meta is this year's issue like blow by animations that plagued 18.

                            -----
                            More importantly I'm still wanting Dev communication. Not necessarily directly, but coming out and saying "hey guys, we're looking in to your gameplay concerns." Instead it's silence and more of us wondering about the numerous issues that need addressing outside of gameplay tuning.

                            The silence says enough, they were vocal about shooting being harder right before the game launched after people said it was laughably easy in the prelude, since then they've said nothing. Their company stance just seems to be to let things linger and then "fix" them for the next year and market it as a new feature. The steals are a huge issue, the shooting is bad as well and they've let these two things linger for a month even though both could probably be adjusted through sliders on their end.

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                            • awg811
                              Pro
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 768

                              #104
                              #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

                              Here’s the issue with 2k “fixing” steals or other issues.
                              2k only makes “bandaid fixes”, so when and if they do fix steals, there will be no more steals. It’s already pointless to make a defensive build because even the lowest rated defenders on the court are better than hall of famers.
                              So, once this is “fixed”, lockdowns won’t be able to steal the ball either.
                              We can hope that the reason that all of the 2k representatives are so silent is because they have their heads buried in actually putting out a working patch. But, we all know, they are silent because they have no idea what to do. All previous 2k’s are a glowing example of this.
                              It takes 5 seconds to tweet, “We are working as hard as we can to make major changes in the upcoming patch. Please be patient”.
                              And all of our complaining and frustration could stop. At least until the patch drops, doesn’t fix the issues, and breaks something else.


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                              Last edited by awg811; 10-09-2018, 01:35 PM.

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                              • Dedicated2389
                                Rookie
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 45

                                #105
                                Re: #StealSpam has changed the 2K Meta

                                The shooting and steals are fine.
                                Skill-gap in full effect.
                                At the end of the day, good players will turn the ball over less and play to their players strengths (Thats why builds are in the game)..
                                I think the way players are playing the passing lane is probably causing them to get burnt by sharpshooters and stretch builds (which causes more complaints)
                                Backdoor cuts and oops work.
                                The L2 button works.
                                I haven't had anyone who isnt a lockdown rip me while using L2 period.. And if a lockdown ripped me while holding L2 its very RARE and they probably had good positioning.
                                Only issue with steals I can think of is the steals after rebounds, prob should be turned down a bit.
                                I have more of an issue with offline bump-steals on HOF difficulty, but even that could be user error of me trying to force the issue when nothing is there.

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