My frustration has finally happened

[VDusen04]

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I'm having a little trouble finding a nice offline happy medium so far. Pro seems too easy and All-Star seems too frustrating.

I'm also nonplussed at the removal of some really authentic-feeling basketball maneuvers that existed in 2K18 that I assume were axed because they led to abuse online. For one, I thought jab steps and the explosive first steps out of triple threat felt wonderful upon 2K18's release. This year, it seems the jab has been relegated back to slow motion and ineffective status.

Moreover, I might lose some folks here, but I thought the blow by animation had a place in 2K. Perhaps it was overdone in 2K18, but I would have supported a tweak to that ability as opposed to outright removal. Instead, now it seems we're stuck back in the zone of brick wall defenders who rarely give up an angle or edge.

I guess I've just come across a concerning level of moments so far where, instead of feeling like I'm getting beaten by superior basketball, it feels like I'm just getting out-video-gamed. This was most apparent when Charlie Ward made Nick Van Exel's life miserable by pressuring him at half-court without giving up a step, refusing to cede forward progress when Van Exel tried to shield the ball then tapping the ball away any time Van Exel attempted to make a move.

There are positives too. The post game feels useful, for one. Whereas I was afraid to even attempt a point blank hook shot in 2K18, now I feel like a legitimate threat with Michael Jordan down low in 2K19. I think it's just, I feel like I'm a little unrealistically clamped down this year.

That said, with all the classic team potential this year, I'll keep pressing on and looking to refine, at least until Red Dead Redemption 2 comes out.

[trandoanhung1991]

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I find that if you mainly control perimeter players (guards, most SF), you'll get killed by backdoor cuts, cheesy rebounds and just cheese layups. You have to manually control the bigs and patrol the paint yourself.


In addition to that, you have to learn to sag off and bump down on cutters, like in real life. That helps a ton. Your AI teammates are pretty good at sticking to shooters as long as you read the game correctly. They usually only collapse when there's a player not covered inside the paint.


Also, you need to use a slider set that removes the stickiness of movement and increase explosiveness. It'll help defense overall.


As for offense, it's not that difficult. Play inside out first, by running PnRs as the bigs, forcing a mismatch and just go to work down low. After you get the hang of that, you can mix in fades/dropsteps/hooks. Also, when running PnRs, you need to read the defense and slip when they're sagging off, for easy dunks. The AI defense has a tendency to drop when defending PnR, giving you clear lanes to the hoop, without much of a risk of passing lane steals.

[mrkayjay]

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All I can tell you is too adjust the sliders to your liking. That is why they are there. You think the CPU is getting too many loose balls then turn it down. For me, I always think the CPU makes to many 3s. I evened it out and turned mine up. Not up too much ti be unfair but just enough to even the playing field.

You are a offline player like me. Adjust your sliders. Don't be ashamed to do this. You are turning the game to suit you. We were given that option. Use it

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Thought about that but you know that can lead to slider torture. Then you get them the way you like then they start the tuner updates that change the game. But this probably my best bet. Thanks.

[Nomdeguerre]

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These are also my issues. I just hate feeling cheated. Example I don't have a problem with the on ball defense. The problem I do have is with it not working for me. That CPU can dribble in traffic, pass to defender in paint when I have two guys under basketball and the dribble and finish consistently.

The CPU ballhandler can call plays while protecting the basketball. I am prevented from doing that. Coupled with unbalanced on-ball steals, it's the most frustrating bug on NBA 2K games in years.

[NYJin2011tm]

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I started with auto play calling on 17 and haven’t looked back.

[keshunleon]

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The CPU ballhandler can call plays while protecting the basketball. I am prevented from doing that. Coupled with unbalanced on-ball steals, it's the most frustrating bug on NBA 2K games in years.

This!!

I played the Bulls and everytime I called a play Dunn stole the ball.

He had 4 steal before half-time, I would attempt to do the same but I couldn't do it. The play ran and I was burned.

[soamazen23]

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Let me start off by saying I totally agree with this thread. I am currently on the same exact boat. I wanna get back to enjoying this game. For the past 4 years I’ve tried to but after a month or two I go back to the other game I play which is MLB the show.

Right now I am messing around with the sliders in an attempt to make this game playable. I play on player lock with my created player PG at 91 ovr. Every year I try to run an offense for a team and lead them to a championship. The only offense I can seem to get to work somewat is the spread and pace with shooters and pick and roll with the 5 and either dish to the roll man or kick it out to the corner for the man thats rotating over. Rarely do I finish myself. But lately I have been trying to figure out a way where I can play off the ball and be more of a pop and shoot guard as oppose to a guard that constantly needs the ball in order for his team to be successful. I’ve tried auto plays with a decent PG running the show and my offense is nowhere near where it needs to be. I kno where I need to be being that I see all the plays but It just doesnt seem to work. Why cant this game be more like fifa and have cpu players on your team act like cpu player on the opposing team? I hope they figure this out because this is one of the most frustrating things about 2k the past few years

[Darthy667]

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The CPU ballhandler can call plays while protecting the basketball. I am prevented from doing that. Coupled with unbalanced on-ball steals, it's the most frustrating bug on NBA 2K games in years.

As far as I know there's a button to protect the ball. I think holding L2 does it.

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[olajuwon34]

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This is what happens when you have a company that now focuses on profit and not core/structured gameplay, the company could care less at this point that they have no clue how to make the A.I play against a user, its blatant unrealism every time you play any game above pro vs A.I, and they could care less, iv played the game and there at too many instances to even put in a post like this of how broken the game is verse CPU, almost on ALL difficulties, their focus and most resources when making the game, is integrating VC into the games core progression system for certain modes. I would respect 2k if they still were in the business of focusing on giving the users a fun, authentic basketball game where they worked on all details like player styles, arenas, visuals, ironing out bugs in offline modes, giving the users online modes that arent locked behind hours of tedious grinding or paying to get the true/full fun out of it, but they are not, and its now becoming painfully obvious these past couple games.

[trandoanhung1991]

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Let me start off by saying I totally agree with this thread. I am currently on the same exact boat. I wanna get back to enjoying this game. For the past 4 years I’ve tried to but after a month or two I go back to the other game I play which is MLB the show.

Right now I am messing around with the sliders in an attempt to make this game playable. I play on player lock with my created player PG at 91 ovr. Every year I try to run an offense for a team and lead them to a championship. The only offense I can seem to get to work somewat is the spread and pace with shooters and pick and roll with the 5 and either dish to the roll man or kick it out to the corner for the man thats rotating over. Rarely do I finish myself. But lately I have been trying to figure out a way where I can play off the ball and be more of a pop and shoot guard as oppose to a guard that constantly needs the ball in order for his team to be successful. I’ve tried auto plays with a decent PG running the show and my offense is nowhere near where it needs to be. I kno where I need to be being that I see all the plays but It just doesnt seem to work. Why cant this game be more like fifa and have cpu players on your team act like cpu player on the opposing team? I hope they figure this out because this is one of the most frustrating things about 2k the past few years

Being where you need to be is exactly your issue. You need to read the situation and create your own shots, then you'll be successful.


Example: The play calls for pick and pop, the defender is dropping behind you. Instead of letting the pick happen, slip the pick by pressing the screen button and then instantly release it and roll hard to the basket. Easy dunk/layup/foul.


The reverse also can happen. The play calls for pick and roll, you can either set the pick and pop, or slip the pick and pop out for an open shot, if 2 defenders follow the ballhandler. If you can't shoot, you can still slip and roll to the basket early.


If you're not involved in the action, you can also backdoor cut for oops or fake backdoor cut and sprint quickly to the 3pt line for an open shot.


Also, learn the plays, so you can take advantage. If your defender is sagging off of you to help, sprint to an open area and call for a pass for an open shot. If they play calls for you to run by a screen to the top of the key for a shot, you can run earlier, when there's a bigger crowd to stop the defender following you.


Auto playcalling is awesome, you just have to get more used to it.

As far as I know there's a button to protect the ball. I think holding L2 does it.

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Hold post up, then flick the right stick down to hold the ball up high.

[alabamarob]

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This is not a bash 2K thread. This is a plea for help. I am an offline player. Have played the series for many years. This game for me is a combination of love of basketball and video games. Year after year I have played for enjoyment and relaxation from the day to day grind. MyLeague is my grind.

Every year I couldn't wait to watch videos and learn from Da Czar, Sam Pham, and Kingslayer. Get tidbits from the SimWorld crew or VannWolfHawk or 24 on how the game works and better ways to improve my enjoyment of 2K. This community of ours is really amazing.

Now I have watched this game evolve from NBA sim game to a streetball competition. I'm not here to blast those who love this evolution. The appeal of Mycareer and MyTeam I get why people love it. In another time I probably would too. I Understand why 2K would make these modes to appeal to different demos. Once again I get.

But this is my frustration.
Why would you forget about the OG's who have played this game from the beginning ?
Why would you forget about the Myleague and offline players ?
Why do we have to play a game that is tuned for online and not sim basketball ?
Why do we have to play a game where the CPU constantly drive to paint and makes every shot but the user cant make a layup.
Why do we have to play a game that CPU makes every deflection and steal and is psychic.

The list goes on and on. My point is Da Czar said don't play video games play basketball. I waited a month and played and tried to learn. The devs said it was a steep learning curve on this game. To play and adjust and you will get better. I started at rookie and worked my way up to All Star. I am stuck. Unable to pass, run plays, and defend.

Watched all the tutorials and Sim Nation videos. Played practice mode worked on my shooting and handles. Learned my Phoenix Suns plays and practiced.
Then I play and get frustrated by CPU spamming the paint, but I cant. Frustrated watching the CPU do dribble moves in paint and I cant. Frustrated watching CPU constantly doing dribble moves and blow by you but you cant.
Frustrated watching user get defensive stops and a miracle rebound goes to CPU or steal.
Frustrated watching CPU get every loose ball steal and deflection.

So the reason for this post is threefold.
One, to voice my frustration to 2k
Two, to listen to the forum and see am I the only.
Three, advice on how to get better and see how other members have adjusted.

This is not blast 2K post. This is a I want to love this game post, but my frustration has kicked.

What am I to do now ?

PS: For those who will answer and say get your stick skills up or anything else derogatory, thanks you are, well thanks.

For those who see this for the honest need for help and answers I am looking for. Thanks, you are who im really speaking to , and are greatly appreciated.

I believe that the shooting sliders/reubric for the cpu is the main problem and the loose ball cheese is the next. If they just adjusted those 2 it would help immensely. I have no idea who thought it made sense to have cpu shooting sliders above 50. Also, knowing that almost every block and steal will become cpu points is infuriating.

[Goffs]

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I really hate how the CPU gets these contact layups to go in at such a high rate. It's been like this out of the box since I can remember. I know there are sliders but I'm a purist and I'm hoping 2k can figure this out. It's really frustrating when you see these awkward looking contact layups go in.

I'm going to record these and hope one of the devs looks at it.

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[Nomdeguerre]

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This!!

I played the Bulls and everytime I called a play Dunn stole the ball.

He had 4 steal before half-time, I would attempt to do the same but I couldn't do it. The play ran and I was burned.

Please, go make a support request about ball-protection getting cancelled if you try to call a play. Novice players can't notice the bug, because they are busy calling the play (duh). There's like a handful of support requests made about this, what I regard the top bug to fix in 2K19.

[Nomdeguerre]

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As far as I know there's a button to protect the ball. I think holding L2 does it.

Correct. But the moment you touch the playcall button (L1 on PlayStation), the ballhandler is forced to cancel the ball-protect, and the defender can freely steal the ball.

[Nomdeguerre]

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Auto playcalling is awesome, you just have to get more used to it.

Hold post up, then flick the right stick down to hold the ball up high.

I genuinely hope this won't be the ultimate resolution to the protect-ball + playcalling bug. You can't call plays while dribbling? That's so lame.


Either way, thanks for the workarounds. They are what we have to live with at the moment.