Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

[infemous]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

Lockdown is OP but people don't even try to set offball screens before a pass
This could counter a lockdown trap zone easily
We got tools against them, spacing to the max and offball screens, elbow screens and more screens


Instead of playing individually and bring lockdown into your teamates when they get the ball

I wish this was more possible but the general IQ of the 2k community is poor. especially in europe. I play SF and set offball screens all day, but the PG will still force feed his friend in the paint and chuck up deep 3s behind my screen.. most players leave or get kicked by the 3rd and then its me vs a team of lockdowns lol

Well, they do have badges that drops or removes some offensive badges. So yeah...your performance would be impacted if you're near a LD, duh.

If you're playing exponential worse, then that's on YOU. Sounds like you get shook when you see a lockdown defender on the opposite team.

This is precisely what I am not for. Defensive badges simply should not affect offensive badges, or at least have the ability to completely nullify them.

See it like this.

Harden can't make as many step back 3s on Kawhi, but he can still hit them on Harrell.

Badges work as if with Kawhi on the floor, Harden simply can't make step back threes.

Thats just fundamentally idiotic and against basketball logic.

As a fan of defensive archetypes, I feel that it's pretty indisputable that the effect that LDDs had on the game was overboard, and that's even before you factor in their offensive prowess. It definitely needs some tuning, which actually may come in the form of the defensive badges being split, and hopefully not just shoe-horned into a generic "defensive" archetype.

This is my hope, but i'm not too hopeful as long as 'stopper' badges still exist.

even then, badges like pogo stick are designed to make up for poor user skill, as opposed to actually providing legitimate counters to offensive skills.

i wish they could have badges like defensive communicator - that will have super smart AI indicate to teammates what to do after multiple switches or highlight where on the court to drop coverage to, etc.

Yeah, I actually completely disagree with your assessment lol.

A 6'9 SF should NOT be able to consistently dribble past a lockdown SG or PF, at all. You don't see Brandon Ingram calling iso and consistently blowing by Klay Thompson (Lockdown SG) or Anthony Davis (Lockdown PF). Rather, you see him utilize off ball screens, pick and rolls or catch and shoot scenarios where their defender has to help due to penetration on other players.

If you're build is a shot creating slasher like you referenced above - you shouldn't be driving by really anyone, as their handles are average at best, and speed with ball is most likely average.

While I agree you should be able to pass (assuming you're making a smart pass), make contested layups and hit open jump shots .. I think you're undervaluing a contest from a lockdown player. Tony Allen used to severely hinder Kobe Bryant's game - he wasn't stealing or blocking it from him every possession - but his contests were unbelievably well timed.

For reference, Kobe's stats vs Tony Allen (career)
8.9 FGM 21.2 FGA, 42% shooting with 3.2 TOPG

ALL below his career averages.

I think the problem is you're not scheming correctly - you seem to struggle adjusting against good defenders when you can't perform the same few moves over and over again.



Overall means nothing without context/badges anyway, what if the lockdown is an 90 overall with all HOF badges



Again, if you're being heavily contested by a lockdown .. you should brick shots on the court, that's ya know, their entire purpose in the game lol.



Good offense will beat good defense, it happens all the time. The problem is usually consistently beating good defense - which is nearly impossible.

You can guard Durant perfectly and he'll get a couple inches of space due to his length and score, there's really nothing you can do but continue to contest and put a hand in his face. It's the nature of the beast, some players are just too good lol



Huge fan of defensive archetypes as well, maybe it's just me, but I don't see them as OP at all.

I never really had an issue against any type of lockdowns playing as a PG playsharp, SF sharpshot or a PF playpost, but maybe it was just my experience.

bro you showed absolutely zero reading comprehension and showed you have a clear bias as you play with defensive archetypes.

my whole point is that Lockdowns affect players they aren't even guarding.

I can be on the fast break with no-one in front of me and still brick a floater because my floater specialist badge was nullified by a LDD.

a 6'9 slashing shot can miss layups due to light contests from 6'2 shooting guards because a paint protector is jumping about 5 foot away from me.

I can beat lockdowns 1 on 1 or move the ball if i'm being guarded, its just the nonsensical invisible powers they have that unbalance and ruin the game for me.

[infemous]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

with multiple pure lockdowns in the game its not about playing smarter. its about your achetype(s). to defeat multiple lockdowns in a game assuming they know what they're doing. You will need multiple play makers to counter the silly passing animations that 2k does to slow down your passes and curve your passes towards these lock down defenders.

and sure offense in certain areas has been Op for a minute. that doesnt mean i want to combat that with more OP on defense. I want to stop the OP nonsense period. The op stuff is less user control more 2k AI controlling things that happen during the game. its as if I'm playing vs You and the AI. even when playing users vs users.

Tone down the.... sharps
.... playmakers ability to just dribble dribble thru a defenders body
......primary rebounders and pure rebounders ability to snag when they are clearly not boxing out and have zero position while the other guy does.
---- the two ways with defender as their primary or even pure defenders ability to out rebound even when they have zero position...
STOP allow defender just being present to make an offensive guy lose control over his player.
stop allowing defenders to slow down the speed of a pass from an offensive player giving the defenders a chance to catchup steal it.
stop allowing defenders the ability to curve passes right into their hands even though thats not the direction the pass going to begin with.

tone down the chase down blocks badge.

etc..etc..

this is exactly it.

suction screens are a big contributor to the BS too - coz it allows a playmaking sharp to just dance behind 2 screens and pull up as soon as the defender is sucked into a screen.. even if they're trying to avoid it by looping around the screener.

[infemous]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

dont be fooled. the intimidator badge is not much different then the defensive badge.

i hope to god this isn't the case. has anyone got clarification from Mike on this??

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

Why the f*ck do we even have "defense" in this game if most people act like NBA players can score at will?????????????????????????????????????

[CaVsFaN2273]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

Why the f*ck do we even have "defense" in this game if most people act like NBA players can score at will?????????????????????????????????????

I just saw one of the youtubers at the event say lockdowns are OP and now everyone is complaining lol. I swear some of these people just want to have every advantage they can lol.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

I just saw one of the youtubers at the event say lockdowns are OP and now everyone is complaining lol. I swear some of these people just want to have every advantage they can lol.

The nonsense is getting annoying. Offense has been destroying the defense since NBA 2K13 with badges and cheese, and it ALWAYS the same freaking answer "Git gud". HOWEVER, anytime the defense gets better with new features and game design, the offensive-minded people start complaining about how hard it's to score and starting quoting ESPN highlights. In the Park, people create most the offensive loaded build they can find, but the "game is broken" when they go against a lockdown defender and their shooting goes from 85% to 60%.

Man, cry me a river. How about the offense use some damn teamwork to get around the strengths of the lockdown defender?

[Goffs]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

The nonsense is getting annoying. Offense have destroying the defense since NBA 2K13 with badges and cheese, and it ALWAYS the same freaking answer "Git gud". HOWEVER, anytime the defense gets better with new features and game design, the offensive-minded start complaining about how hard it's to score and starting quoting ESPN highlights. In the Park, people create most offensive loaded build they can find, but the "game is broken" when they go against a lockdown defender and their shooting goes from 85% to 60%.



Man, cry me a river. How about the offense use some damn teamwork to get around the strengths of the lockdown defender?

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[jordankobewade7]

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i have absolutely no issues with most of the defense or the badges. we need the ability to play good defense. but in the park/rec/proam defenders are getting steal after steal on ball AND in the passing lane. intercepting passes that are outright impossible for human reaction times to get anything but a tip on, if that. also, just being in the area of a defender drops badges and contests shots, even with their back turned or without them jumping.

the main thing a great defender does is make great offensive players take tough shots and live with the results. im all for this in game. but the best steal averages in the nba are around 2.5 - 3 steals a game, youre extraordinary if you can do that. meanwhile in rec 5 min quarters locks are getting 3-5 steals IN A QUARTER. its really bad. that is NOTHING like real life and def not sim by any means.

to get the full benefit of playing defense you should actually have to play defense. if you arent actively doing so then youre just like any other player. what separates tony allen or artest or battier from any other player is there ability to stay disciplined and make things tough with closeouts/contests. they dont get a bonus from being on the floor. and the intimidation comes from them actually backing up their reputation.

if a rookie comes into nba and theyve heard all about battier and how he puts his hand over your eyes on every shot and doesnt give you an inch, but then you start playing and he doesnt do any of that, are you still intimidated??? exactly.

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[infemous]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

they dont get a bonus from being on the floor. and the intimidation comes from them actually backing up their reputation.

this to me is exactly where the archetypes failed - because they created the expectation that your player would be elite at something because they were forced to be garbage at everything else.

if you then couldn't do what you wanted, you'd complain the archetype was broken.

Lock Down Defenders were being made by bums but they couldn't stop anyone, so they got bumped to the extent that any noob could stand at the top of the key all game with HOF defensive stopper and have a positive income on his team defensively.

Hopefully with it being more open now, people will not be reliant on the archetype to determine what they do, but their own skill set, imagination and basketball IQ.

i saw that a defensive badge can outline what a players percentage is from the floor. that is the kind of defensive badge i wanna see, something that AIDS human input, as opposed to makes up for the lack of.

[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

i have absolutely no issues with most of the defense or the badges. we need the ability to play good defense. but in the park/rec/proam defenders are getting steal after steal on ball AND in the passing lane. intercepting passes that are outright impossible for human reaction times to get anything but a tip on, if that. also, just being in the area of a defender drops badges and contests shots, even with their back turned or without them jumping.

the main thing a great defender does is make great offensive players take tough shots and live with the results. im all for this in game. but the best steal averages in the nba are around 2.5 - 3 steals a game, youre extraordinary if you can do that. meanwhile in rec 5 min quarters locks are getting 3-5 steals IN A QUARTER. its really bad. that is NOTHING like real life and def not sim by any means.

to get the full benefit of playing defense you should actually have to play defense. if you arent actively doing so then youre just like any other player. what separates tony allen or artest or battier from any other player is there ability to stay disciplined and make things tough with closeouts/contests. they dont get a bonus from being on the floor. and the intimidation comes from them actually backing up their reputation.

if a rookie comes into nba and theyve heard all about battier and how he puts his hand over your eyes on every shot and doesnt give you an inch, but then you start playing and he doesnt do any of that, are you still intimidated??? exactly.

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You got the nerves to quote SPG in the NBA, but people are shooting 50+% from 3PT land despite the highest career 3PT% is 42.3?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_career_3-point_scoring_leaders

[Grandbadge]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

You got the nerves to quote SPG in the NBA, but people are shooting 50+% from 3PT land despite the highest career 3PT% is 42.3?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...coring_leaders

You are missing one important variable when it comes to portraying these realistic 3 point percentages. It's user timing. User timing doesn't have to mirror what is realistic in real ball.you create your own reality and the attributes should.be looked at as parameters that give keep you within the realm of realistic expectations.

If you want to truly mirror the real life counterpart of the video game, then switch to real field goal percentages. Then you will get more accurate numbers. Otherwise, you're begging for 2k to make users miss to maintain percentages, even if the user has perfect release and is wide open.

[Kleinevos]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

I wonder how that Dream Shake badge will work online vs real players

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Mike Wang tweets about 2K20

You are missing one important variable when it comes to portraying these realistic 3 point percentages. It's user timing. User timing doesn't have to mirror what is realistic in real ball.you create your own reality and the attributes should.be looked at as parameters that give keep you within the realm of realistic expectations.



If you want to truly mirror the real life counterpart of the video game, then switch to real field goal percentages. Then you will get more accurate numbers. Otherwise, you're begging for 2k to make users miss to maintain percentages, even if the user has perfect release and is wide open.

Dude...stop defending unrealistic shooting percentages. They can make this game where we have realistic shooting percentages with user timing. There was this game called NBA 2K11 that did just that.

[jk31]

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Otherwise, you're begging for 2k to make users miss to maintain percentages, even if the user has perfect release and is wide open.

Uhm, yes, thats how it should be. Perfect release =/= 100% shot. It should be like in previous games, where perfect release meant, you should the best percentage possible ACCORDING TO YOUR RATING.