No One is talking about Da_Czar leaving Twitter??

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: No One is talking about Da_Czar leaving Twitter??

At my current job I'm a product owner which is basically taking all the initiatives from customers, executives, salesmen, and marketing teams for multiple different products and prioritizing and deciding which issues will be worked on and fixed and which ones will have to wait. Part of that includes assessing overall business value in regards to how much revenue the fix will help generate weighed against retaining customers overall. It's a bitch because every entity is screaming wanting their needs met.

I also handle testing for some of the products. And sometimes what we run into is a time crunch where we'll have a ton of bugs fixed by our development team. Even if you have multiple departments for different products/modules at some point there is crossover. So we'd have to worry about something that may fix an issue in one area completely breaking something in a different module. On top of that there are the cases of just testing the bug fixes at hand and doing regression testing to see if it broke anything else. So to me some things that are very obvious bugs that I believe shouldn't have made it into a release I understand how it could happen. They have to weigh is this new bug that's created less harmful than the issue that was fixed and if it is move on to something else more critical. And even then when you think you have everything perfect someone uses our software in a way that we never would've predicted and finds a new hole somewhere in it. It's a thankless cycle and extremely frustrating.

Long post short I fully understand how some of this stuff happens and do not envy the developers considering customers have direct lines of contact with them. In my company we compulate insulate developers and have people assigned to listen to customer feedback and then decide what to present to the development team. We do that with just thousands of customers much less the millions the 2K team has to deal with.

Precisely. When I used to do computer programming as an early career choice, I remember how easy it was to overlook a line of code or miss something during the quality testing. Functionally, the program worked as intended until an individual took the path that lead to the line of incorrect coding. This was back in 1994. I can only imagine how complex game programming is now given the advancements in technology.

[triplechin]

Re: No One is talking about Da_Czar leaving Twitter??

Since the thread has already derailed passed talking Da_Czar and onto new generations and twitter, I'll chime in.

I totally respect what Da_Czar does, I'm all for his influence and he doesnt deserve any hate on twitter or wherever. Rest of my comment isn't about him.

2K asks for a lot of the hate they get. Gameplay wise, I think they need to stand firm to what they put out for more than four days. But, I can't really give them a pass for shipping with so many bugs to their main mode, we'll see if they at least make up for it with 2x rep week or something.

Above all though

1) The game is designed to frustrate people in order to get them to buy mtx. So of course there are going to be more complaints when the game is made to frustrate you. There is no reason to have MyCareer connected to Park/ProAM anymore besides VC, so if you design it that way you are asking for it. Don't misinterpret what I'm saying to mean that I think Mike Wang should get death threats for this, that is stupid, but 2k as a whole is asking for it due to this.
People who already don't want to play against the AI waste their time getting it over with then the game doesnt count, yeah that is extra frustrating. Add in a million cutscenes and make me watch the end of each half just to waste my time further when I dont want to play it at all? Yeah that is extra frustrating. On top of that, you make how much from mtx, but can't implement solid matchmaking? Come on now.

2) In an online competitive game, all the aspects that affect your character should be clearly defined. No one should have to read Mike Wang's twitter to understand what flexible release exactly does. 2kLabs literally charges money to show what things in 2k actually do... like what?????? That shouldn't be viable at all, 2k should have exact descriptions of what the things they put into the game do. Catch and shoot should say X% bonus on bronze, Y% on silver, etc. You shouldn't need to find out from 2klabs what these things do. It is just poor design period.

[Iasounis]

Re: No One is talking about Da_Czar leaving Twitter??

Since the thread has already derailed passed talking Da_Czar and onto new generations and twitter, I'll chime in.

I totally respect what Da_Czar does, I'm all for his influence and he doesnt deserve any hate on twitter or wherever. Rest of my comment isn't about him.

2K asks for a lot of the hate they get. Gameplay wise, I think they need to stand firm to what they put out for more than four days. But, I can't really give them a pass for shipping with so many bugs to their main mode, we'll see if they at least make up for it with 2x rep week or something.

Above all though

1) The game is designed to frustrate people in order to get them to buy mtx. So of course there are going to be more complaints when the game is made to frustrate you. There is no reason to have MyCareer connected to Park/ProAM anymore besides VC, so if you design it that way you are asking for it. Don't misinterpret what I'm saying to mean that I think Mike Wang should get death threats for this, that is stupid, but 2k as a whole is asking for it due to this.
People who already don't want to play against the AI waste their time getting it over with then the game doesnt count, yeah that is extra frustrating. Add in a million cutscenes and make me watch the end of each half just to waste my time further when I dont want to play it at all? Yeah that is extra frustrating. On top of that, you make how much from mtx, but can't implement solid matchmaking? Come on now.

2) In an online competitive game, all the aspects that affect your character should be clearly defined. No one should have to read Mike Wang's twitter to understand what flexible release exactly does. 2kLabs literally charges money to show what things in 2k actually do... like what?????? That shouldn't be viable at all, 2k should have exact descriptions of what the things they put into the game do. Catch and shoot should say X% bonus on bronze, Y% on silver, etc. You shouldn't need to find out from 2klabs what these things do. It is just poor design period.

Very well put.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: No One is talking about Da_Czar leaving Twitter??

This has slipped below the radar, but czar has given every team an individualised playbook. Well, every team except Cleveland as far as I can tell.

Once we get some rosters with better tendencies, Myleagues will be good to go.

[joepatowski]

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This has slipped below the radar, but czar has given every team an individualised playbook. Well, every team except Cleveland as far as I can tell.

Once we get some rosters with better tendencies, Myleagues will be good to go.

Sadly there is a crippling issue in Myleague offline and online. In s2 offseason, all team options are inaccessible to accept or deny, causing all players to become UFA. Sigh.


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[Smirkin Dirk]

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Sadly there is a crippling issue in Myleague offline and online. In s2 offseason, all team options are inaccessible to accept or deny, causing all players to become UFA. Sigh.


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Ok. That sucks.

[joepatowski]

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Ok. That sucks.

Lol. Preaching to the choir.


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[infemous]

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Sadly there is a crippling issue in Myleague offline and online. In s2 offseason, all team options are inaccessible to accept or deny, causing all players to become UFA. Sigh.


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I started in Offseason and Cleveland drafted a bot created player 78 OVR at 4 OVR and the Bulls drafted a cloned Coby White with a generic name

I knew after that to stay away from getting invested in MyLeague until the workarounds and sliders come available.

[infemous]

Re: No One is talking about Da_Czar leaving Twitter??

Since the thread has already derailed passed talking Da_Czar and onto new generations and twitter, I'll chime in.

I totally respect what Da_Czar does, I'm all for his influence and he doesnt deserve any hate on twitter or wherever. Rest of my comment isn't about him.

2K asks for a lot of the hate they get. Gameplay wise, I think they need to stand firm to what they put out for more than four days. But, I can't really give them a pass for shipping with so many bugs to their main mode, we'll see if they at least make up for it with 2x rep week or something.

Above all though

1) The game is designed to frustrate people in order to get them to buy mtx. So of course there are going to be more complaints when the game is made to frustrate you. There is no reason to have MyCareer connected to Park/ProAM anymore besides VC, so if you design it that way you are asking for it. Don't misinterpret what I'm saying to mean that I think Mike Wang should get death threats for this, that is stupid, but 2k as a whole is asking for it due to this.
People who already don't want to play against the AI waste their time getting it over with then the game doesnt count, yeah that is extra frustrating. Add in a million cutscenes and make me watch the end of each half just to waste my time further when I dont want to play it at all? Yeah that is extra frustrating. On top of that, you make how much from mtx, but can't implement solid matchmaking? Come on now.

2) In an online competitive game, all the aspects that affect your character should be clearly defined. No one should have to read Mike Wang's twitter to understand what flexible release exactly does. 2kLabs literally charges money to show what things in 2k actually do... like what?????? That shouldn't be viable at all, 2k should have exact descriptions of what the things they put into the game do. Catch and shoot should say X% bonus on bronze, Y% on silver, etc. You shouldn't need to find out from 2klabs what these things do. It is just poor design period.

I'd like to add that 2k don't help themselves by hiring people like Ronnie to market the game. Having an easy target who doesn't seem to be looped into gameplay decisions spouting things all over various forms of media creates unrealistic expectations.

they should most certainly mitigate the need for their devs to be so involved by hiring a competent mouthpiece that can be the face for the game. Mike Wang should never have to answer as many questions as he does about the mechanics of the game.

2k then over hype everything and when they (understandably in many respects) can't deliver, the press is super negative and abusive to the people who deserve it the least.

the problem is, is that they still making hella cheese despite it and bad press is still press huh?

I feel bad for Da Czar and Mike Wang especially, but they gotta demand budget to get a press person to just annotate what they say and do and find a way to get that info to fans in clear ways, the emotional toll of being that much in the spotlight and exposed to such toxic language is not healthy.

[Koosa1027]

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Czar has been the same stand up dude since before he got on with 2K. He's most definitely one of us. Not even a question.

Sometimes you just want to get away from the noise for a little bit. Imagine 100 dudes tagging you on Twitter everytime someone scores a point on them in a video game, lol

However long his hiatus lasts, I wish him the best.

I agree 100% and Da_Czar has said on several occassions that social media accounts or THEIR OWN PERSONAL ACCOUNTS so I really don't think it has anything directly to do with 2K. I agree with you that maybe the toxic level of social media has just made him take a break and regroup. Best of wishes to that brother! He deserves a break!! Hope he gets back to what he does best when he feels the time is right.

~Koosa10:27~

[Koosa1027]

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Big shouts out to the person that started this thread!! Enjoy your break big Czar, YOU DESERVE IT!

~Koosa10:27~

[Koosa1027]

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This thread shouldn't melt down into the reason he left social media in the first place

Y'all always turn everything into a cesspool

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So true, by the time you scroll to the 3rd post it turns into complete BS...And we wonder why a person would take an hiatus from twitter. Sometimes it gets so bad that even I turn off my notifications and nobody important and hardly post on there lol

~Koosa10:27~

[Koosa1027]

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Wow...it's amazing that people can take a postive, wholesome thread like this and make it toxic. Do people even read the thread before they start posting. If it's this bad here you can only imagine how bad twitter is[emoji34]

EDIT: READ THROUGH 5 PAGES AND I CAN'T FORCE MYSELF TO CONTINUE...BACK TO PLAYING 2K NOW[emoji1491]

~Koosa10:27~

[Kid OS]

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They have like 4 pc modders on their dev team

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Well, technically everyone on the team is a PC modder. Which only raises more questions from those who ask, "why can PC modders make better faces than the devs?". And when we have simple... very very simple things that could be fixed (body lengths/types & head/shoe sizes), it makes the dev team look downright lazy. Keyword is "look".

Perception is the catalyst for a lot of toxic opinions.

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Re: No One is talking about Da_Czar leaving Twitter??

Well, technically everyone on the team is a PC modder. Which only raises more questions from those who ask, "why can PC modders make better faces than the devs?". And when we have simple... very very simple things that could be fixed (body lengths/types & head/shoe sizes), it makes the dev team look downright lazy. Keyword is "look".

No its not a technically, they hired 4 people at least that we know who were modders on NLSC from this community who either made mods or built the actual tools that people use right now to make them.

Its the reason we got console modding in MyLeague as one example.

Secondly, taking someone else's work that they built from scratch on a time limit and puffing your chest out about as if you did it all by your lonesome is asinine.

Frankly I can't even believe you're running with this childish narrative as if you have some kind of ground to stand on. Just stop it.