Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

[loso_34]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I never tried to make that argument of equal talent, I have said more times than not that most solo players are trash. And it's okay to have a team with a big advantage over another since it's basketball and that's the whole point of the sport. To gain an advantage over the other team to win.

And maybe not on here but on reddit, there were definitely people complaining about squads of 2-3. But my point of bringing that up is once you ban 5mans, people are going to complain about 4 man squads, then 3 man squads, and then 2 man squads.

The best option to deal with squads in the rec is like I said before. Increase the rep awarded in pro am to the point where even if you lose, you gain more rep than if you trash randoms in the rec in a W. Give better rewards in pro am. Sponsorships, play books, more customization for the uniforms. More vc. More badge points. Give players a reason to play pro am and not just force them into it with no reward. Make the courts bigger so zone defense isnt so OP, punish those who spam square and have them foul whoever close to tthem.


All of that does two things, get 90% of the 5 man squads out the rec (because let's be honest, you will still have those in the rec trying to cheese against bums) and making the courts bigger just benefits everyone and punishing square spammers would stop all that reaching from the ones that's still going to be in the rec spamming square and playing zone.

Now for the regular 5 man squads(the ones who don't zone up and spam, just 5 friends who chilling) who feel like they aren't good enough to face comp. They could either go in pro am and actually benefit for doing so win or lose or they could stay in the rec but for the most part, they are very beatable and I don't see why folks would hate them for playing rec.

Removing 90% of the squads benefit players like yourself who play solo because with so many squads gone, you randoms would mostly get games featuring more randoms and not against 5 man squads.


See how everybody benefits by not forcing anybody to do what they don't want to with these ideas? See how players who play basketball as its intended and that's as a team get incentivized? See how solo players get benefited. Players who aren't good but in a squad benefits. The only people it doesn't benefit is pro am teams who keep their players at 92 just to face bums and then go in the rec and play zone and spam but who cares about them to be honest.


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they need to do away with the current rep system its the cause of all this. once they explained the rep system for 2k20 i already knew the squad problem would worsen.

[Erithtotl]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Man, I never quit. I don't care if I'm the last person standing and getting crushed by 40 points. I'll never give anyone free wins.

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I used to never quit either. But if you are on the other side you usually don't want people to quit. You only get a pro-rated amount of money, and badge points and I don't think you get rep. You also burn boosts, while quitting means you don't lose your boosts. Also generally if you aren't a good player, the AI version of you is better and more of a pain in the *** to play against. No one cares about wins as a stat in rec. It only matters if you are over 95 and need to maintain rating.

I do say when I play with randoms I usually love it when all my teammates quit, because AIs maintain spacing and play defense. I've won many a game that way. The time it really sucks is when your AIs are terrible (can't hit open shots, getting crushed on boards) and the other team decides to trap you. Most randoms can't pull you off but squads can do it and make it utterly miserable for a solo player.

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I think what was posted earlier, about making pro-am worth it, is right on. There is no incentive to playing pro-am right now other than just the desire for competition. If they make it worth it, it will up the number and variety of opponents and keep squads away from rec.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Let me be fair...

How does Pro-Am exactly work from the standpoint of badges and Rep? What's the "benefit" or "lure" of Pro-Am outside of just squading up with your friends?

[kdurantmvp]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Let me be fair...

How does Pro-Am exactly work from the standpoint of badges and Rep? What's the "benefit" or "lure" of Pro-Am outside of just squading up with your friends?

Higher competition than in the rec. Can customize the arena you play in


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[howardphillips214]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Let me be fair...

How does Pro-Am exactly work from the standpoint of badges and Rep? What's the "benefit" or "lure" of Pro-Am outside of just squading up with your friends?

You also get more VC and rep the higher you get and the better the competition you beat.

But the difference is negligible and just dipping around auth your homies is way more fun than sweating all game trying to beat their unbeatable offense.

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Let me be fair...



How does Pro-Am exactly work from the standpoint of badges and Rep? What's the "benefit" or "lure" of Pro-Am outside of just squading up with your friends?

Actually competition rather then free wins.

Its for teams that like competition.

Extra vc extra rep although those wont off set getting spanked lol





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[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Yeah...I'm not in the business of babysitting my teammates. If they have the IQ, they'll figure it out. If not, then I'll freeze them out for 1-3 possessions and/or force my will on the game somehow.

I message them all game if needed 'cause I'm trying to win and maybe they actually need some tips. Some are appreciative but too many are like 'stfu' (i.e. let me stay in my sweet stupidity). I have the On the Court Coach badge lmao

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Removing 90% of the squads benefit players like yourself who play solo because with so many squads gone, you randoms would mostly get games featuring more randoms and not against 5 man squads.

Uh that's called "fair".

THE REC Options:


Solo randoms vs solo randoms or squads of 2
Solo randoms vs squads of 3-5
Solo randoms vs full 5 Pro Am squads

Rec squads of 3-5 vs Rec squads of 3-5
Rec squads of 3-5 vs Pro Am full 5 squads
Pro am full 5 squads vs Pro am full 5 squads


Pretty sure that overall, in your scenario, solo randoms are the ones getting screwed the most and have the potential to play full 5 pro-am squads.


Separating the tiers is a no-brainer. The only thing 2K would have to worry about is if this would increase wait times too much.

[kdurantmvp]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Uh that's called "fair".

THE REC Options:


Solo randoms vs solo randoms or squads of 2
Solo randoms vs squads of 3-5
Solo randoms vs full 5 Pro Am squads

Rec squads of 3-5 vs Rec squads of 3-5
Rec squads of 3-5 vs Pro Am full 5 squads
Pro am full 5 squads vs Pro am full 5 squads


Pretty sure that overall, in your scenario, solo randoms are the ones getting screwed the most and have the potential to play full 5 pro-am squads.


Separating the tiers is a no-brainer. The only thing 2K would have to worry about is if this would increase wait times too much.

How would solo randoms play full 5 man squads if those squads are now in pro am and not the rec? You not going to be able to get every single full squad out the rec but if you're able to just get 90% of them (because no matter what, there will always be players that look to cheese) out the rec, it makes it a more enjoyable experience for everyone.

Most of the zone playing square spamming squads you see in the rec is only in there for the easy rep. You make it so pro am have more rep no matter what, they'll leave. With the courts bigger and punishment for spamming square anyway, they won't be as effective and actually have to have a strategy


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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

How would solo randoms play full 5 man squads if those squads are now in pro am and not the rec? You not going to be able to get every single full squad out the rec but if you're able to just get 90% of them (because no matter what, there will always be players that look to cheese) out the rec, it makes it a more enjoyable experience for everyone.

Most of the zone playing square spamming squads you see in the rec is only in there for the easy rep. You make it so pro am have more rep no matter what, they'll leave. With the courts bigger and punishment for spamming square anyway, they won't be as effective and actually have to have a strategy


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My Guy...no one is banishing full squads to Pro-Am. Having say that, I will agree that giving more players to incentives to play Pro-Am is definitely one item that needs to be address. At least that will attract more of the try-hards and pull them away from REC. Hell, if the incentives are high enough, I might decide to jump on a squad despite how much I hate talking on mics. I'm really a solid player, and I'm pretty sure that I could adapt to whatever "meta" is found in those highly "competitive" games. I'm pretty sure 2K Sports don't, because like most gamers...somehow they will try to find a way to abuse the system.

Having say that...I still firmly believe that squads of 4+ should absolutely be matched against other squads of 4+ in REC. At the end of day, a team of randoms shouldn't have to 100% take on all "disadvantages" of matchmaking. You already have the probability that you might get a trash teammate, but then to have to play with a trash teammate against a 5-man squad that's played 100+ games together. Come on, that's asking too much.

[kdurantmvp]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

My Guy...no one is banishing full squads to Pro-Am. Having say that, I will agree that giving more players to incentives to play Pro-Am is definitely one item that needs to be address. At least that will attract more of the try-hards and pull them away from REC. Hell, if the incentives are high enough, I might decide to jump on a squad despite how much I hate talking on mics. I'm really a solid player, and I'm pretty sure that I could adapt to whatever "meta" is found in those highly "competitive" games. I'm pretty sure 2K Sports don't, because like most gamers...somehow they will try to find a way to abuse the system.

Having say that...I still firmly believe that squads of 4+ should absolutely be matched against other squads of 4+ in REC. At the end of day, a team of randoms shouldn't have to 100% take on all "disadvantages" of matchmaking. You already have the probability that you might get a trash teammate, but then to have to play with a trash teammate against a 5-man squad that's played 100+ games together. Come on, that's asking too much.

Honestly, let's take a step back because I think we actually agree on some things. I have no issue with squads of 5 vs squads of 5 in the rec. My gripe with that is truthfully if there isn't that many 5 stacks to begin with and people just falsely accuse any team of being a 5 stack, what will you do matchmaking wise? Just have them wait until a 5 stack shows up? Or after a minute, they just face whoever?

Or using your example with the 4 stacks, how many 4 man squads are there in the rec on a day to day basis? Not fair to those people that they have to wait an extreme amount of time to have a match when they're playing the game as intended and that's with a team.


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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Honestly, let's take a step back because I think we actually agree on some things. I have no issue with squads of 5 vs squads of 5 in the rec. My gripe with that is truthfully if there isn't that many 5 stacks to begin with and people just falsely accuse any team of being a 5 stack, what will you do matchmaking wise? Just have them wait until a 5 stack shows up? Or after a minute, they just face whoever?

Or using your example with the 4 stacks, how many 4 man squads are there in the rec on a day to day basis? Not fair to those people that they have to wait an extreme amount of time to have a match when they're playing the game as intended and that's with a team.


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To be fair, they usually explode when they FINALLY give REC players extra rep for playing games. This is a conversation for another day, but I think they short change REC players anyways. In my experience, I typically run with/against 2-3 players who are together with obviously 2 being the most common. I ran against a 5 squad yesterday (could tell by their gamertags), and my team quit before the second quarter. Wasn't a big deal until I discovered that their avatars sucked, so I lost that game by 50 points. Oddly enough, I rarely run into 4-man squads that I'm aware of. Every time that I ran against a 5-man squad, most or all of teammates quit the game when the other team jumps on us with 15+ lead in the 1st quarter. Truthfully, no one has the will to compete when they go down early. I treat it as an opportunity to work on my bigman skills against "elite" talent. I'm still able to get 20+ points and 10+ rebounds, but it's really hard to carry a team of AIs with a big.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Being surrounded by a bunch of non-shooters is the worst. Basically the other team can triple and double team my ***.

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[Antonioshellz]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Being surrounded by a bunch of non-shooters is the worst. Basically the other team can triple and double team my ***.

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Are you on Xbox? If so we should get some games in together. My gamertag is DASupreme723.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Honestly, let's take a step back because I think we actually agree on some things. I have no issue with squads of 5 vs squads of 5 in the rec. My gripe with that is truthfully if there isn't that many 5 stacks to begin with and people just falsely accuse any team of being a 5 stack, what will you do matchmaking wise? Just have them wait until a 5 stack shows up? Or after a minute, they just face whoever?

Or using your example with the 4 stacks, how many 4 man squads are there in the rec on a day to day basis? Not fair to those people that they have to wait an extreme amount of time to have a match when they're playing the game as intended and that's with a team.


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3 or more players will be matched up with 3 or more players. Simple. It's not perfect, but it sure beats solo randoms having the possibility of being matched up with full 5 tryhards.