Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Dude its not complicated.

All they would do is add to 1 or more lines o coding to the existing matchmaking code.

People wont see the difference when playing.

They enter rec like they do now.
Cant quit before the game starts.
Wont know that they are playing a squad until the game starts.

All that you say has nothing to do with my suggestion.

Most people dont even know they added a 92and under parameter to matchmaking.

Have yet to hear anyone say it was a waste.







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Lol what are you talking about? Dude, you can always back out before the game starts. It’s called closing your app, testing your connection or joining a friend’s session. And two of those lets you bypass the quitting penalty.

Your suggestion is basically to let someone queue up for solo, and if it doesn’t matchmake them with 4 other randoms in a certain amount of time, pull them into a queue with a squad. Which means, DUN DUN DUN, they run the chance of playing a squad in the Rec. You know, something they didn’t want to do or deal with in the first place. So absolutely nothing was avoided.

And if you so happen to be the (un)lucky random pulled in with a four-man squad and choose to stay, you still run the risk of being frozen out because they don’t know you.

My issue is this: Your suggestion basically says a 5-man squad is basically regulated to a SINGULAR game mode (Pro-Am). And if Pro-Am matchmaking works anything like it has for the past year or two, then if it isn’t working properly (Which is a very high chance since we’re moving into next-gen), then I guess “Tough ****, sucks to be you”?

A 5v5 squad only Rec really doesn’t serve any purpose, because it’s still basically Pro-Am. The same squads that you think are running from competition are going to ‘run’ and avoid it just like they would with Pro-Am.

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Lol what are you talking about? Dude, you can always back out before the game starts. It’s called closing your app, testing your connection or joining a friend’s session. And two of those lets you bypass the quitting penalty.

Your suggestion is basically to let someone queue up for solo, and if it doesn’t matchmake them with 4 other randoms in a certain amount of time, pull them into a queue with a squad. Which means, DUN DUN DUN, they run the chance of playing a squad in the Rec. You know, something they didn’t want to do or deal with in the first place. So absolutely nothing was avoided.

And if you so happen to be the (un)lucky random pulled in with a four-man squad and choose to stay, you still run the risk of being frozen out because they don’t know you.

My issue is this: Your suggestion basically says a 5-man squad is basically regulated to a SINGULAR game mode (Pro-Am). And if Pro-Am matchmaking works anything like it has for the past year or two, then if it isn’t working properly (Which is a very high chance since we’re moving into next-gen), then I guess “Tough ****, sucks to be you”?

A 5v5 squad only Rec really doesn’t serve any purpose, because it’s still basically Pro-Am. The same squads that you think are running from competition are going to ‘run’ and avoid it just like they would with Pro-Am.

Wrong.

Its not a que up for solo.

That is not my suggestion.

Try again and hopefully you understand it this time.


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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Squads are obviously farming randoms when they're trying to "hide" their team overall during the matchmaking process...

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Wrong.

Its not a que up for solo.

That is not my suggestion.

Try again and hopefully you understand it this time.


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Your suggestion is basically to let someone queue up for solo, and if it doesn’t matchmake them with 4 other randoms in a certain amount of time, pull them into a queue with a squad.

For example:
They could make it that if a solo player had to wait longer then 5 minutes then they would be added to the que for squads.

Squads would be placed in the squad que.

Solo players go in the solo que first.

Simply give solo players 5 min to find a game and if not put them with squads.

So this isn’t you talking? Could’ve sworn I was literally quoting you. Huh.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Three games. Three losses. 3-4 elites with some random *** dude at a 90 overall...some of my teammates quit after being 15 points down in the first quarter.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Three games. Three losses. 3-4 elites with some random *** dude at a 90 overall...some of my teammates quit after being 15 points down in the first quarter.

And....? I’m a SS2 myself, and I’ve gone in and been paired with 3 Elites and another SS2. And we went on a 6-game win streak before I had to get off for work. Does that mean we were a squad? I mean, like, what are you even arguing here?

They could be a squad, they might not be. Not even you can be sure, can you.

[tru11]

Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Your suggestion is basically to let someone queue up for solo, and if it doesn’t matchmake them with 4 other randoms in a certain amount of time, pull them into a queue with a squad.




So this isn’t you talking? Could’ve sworn I was literally quoting you. Huh.

They dont que up for solo.

They enter JRC like it is right now.

Matchmaking will decide in what que they will be placed based on the parameters that are set.

Matchmaking works in the background dude.

You dont see it work on your screen and you wont know the results until your are in a game.

Its wont look any different then it is right now.

Can you understand this or is it still to difficult?





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[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

They dont que up for solo.

They enter JRC like it is right now.

Matchmaking will decide in what que they will be placed based on the parameters that are set.

Matchmaking works in the background dude.

You dont see it work on your screen and you wont know the results until your are in a game.

Its wont look any different then it is right now.

Can you understand this or is it still to difficult?





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Nice way of dancing around your own quotes posts, for something that ‘wasn’t your suggestion.’ You LITERALLY said ‘solo queues into solo first, then queue with a squad if it doesn’t find anyone in 5 minutes’, then say ‘Oh it’s not a solo queue, that’s not my suggestion.’ You were literally quoted saying something that you claim you didn’t say. You really have 0 clue what you’re saying anymore.

What’s the point of all the bitching and complaining if NOTHING CHANGES from the way it is now?

As it stands right now, you go in solo. Matchmaking adds you to 4 randoms, you alone w/ two 2-man squads, 3 randoms w/ 2-man squad, 2 randoms w/ 3-man squad, or you alone w/ 4-man squad. There isn’t **** your ‘new’ suggestion changes with the current system, other than 5-man squads not being in there. And I already explained why a 5-man squad only Rec wouldn’t be viable.

At this point, you’re bitching for the sake of bitching. You’re talking in circles.

After that, you can have it bro. You can sit in here and circle jerk with the three or four in here out of thousands of people and cry to your heart’s content.

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I play throughout all times of the day. The main difference is I don’t care if I run into a squad or not.

Other people care

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

You guys have been arguing about this for months. I started this thread as a community misery thread. We ALL know there could be improvements made to match making. To say otherwise is ignorant.

New game is out soon, let's just chill..

Not until it's fixed. Keep fighting the good fight

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

You just proved exactly what I said.

Trust me when I say those squads were always there. I run into around the same number of squads in July that I ran into around November-December. Like I said, though, you’re paying much more attention to it now because your overall is on the line after 95.

Pretty sure people have been complaining about this since 2K18. What's your point? "It's an old complaint" so it's not valid and just accept what you get?
It's called feedback. Hopefully Beluba has seen this thread and 2K gets a clue for 2k21

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

What ‘act’? Because I don’t mind playing squads? Because I would rather hold myself and/or my own teammates accountable as opposed to blaming everything on the other team? Yeah okay.

Dude, in any 2k, you have a chance of playing with or against AI. It’s inevitable. It’s boring, but it is guaranteed to happen at some point. There is LITERALLY nothing 2k can do about that.

Teammates quitting is a THEM problem, not a YOU problem. Going against a squad or not, people will be people. Some will stick it out and try to correct how they play, some will quit in the first quarter because they went 0-3 from the field, or because they feel like a 7-point lead in the 1st is somehow an insurmountable lead.

Listen, at the end of the day, the ‘changes’ that you and a handful of people on here want are so inconsequential, it isn’t going to happen. When the devs pop up on Twitter or Reddit asking for what changes the community wants, I don’t see anyone popping on there saying ‘you shouldn’t let squads play in Rec’, ‘separate solo Rec from squad Rec’, or anything like that. That is literally the least of anyone’s concerns.

The matchmaking for Rec/Walk-On has been the same since 16. You can walk in by yourself, as a 2-man, 3-man, 4-man or 5 man squad with a mix of randoms or other 2 or 3-man squads, and be randomly matched up against an opposing team of the same exact things. And nobody cried or cared about ‘squads vs randoms’ at any point. And very very few, if anybody, ever cared about some sort of ‘solo Rec’. But now it’s supposed to change because a small handful of people on OS and maybe reddit have a problem with it this year? Yeah, let 2k jump right on that.

If they do somehow add a ‘solo Rec’, it’ll be absolutely hilarious and a complete ****show. And yet I can almost guarantee they’d remove it within a year or two because it won’t be played much. ESPECIALLY if fluctuating overalls make a return. Which is EXACTLY WHY people don’t want to play with randoms much this year.

Most of what you're saying doesn't even hold up


- "It's an old issue so don't fix it" SO?
- "2K doesn't care so don't give feedback" YA NEVER KNOW
- "Let other teams play how they want" WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FAIR SYSTEM
- "Solo rec is bad" NOT TRUE, WE'VE SEEN IT IN 92 OVR REC AND IT BEATS PLAYING SOLO RANDOMS VS SQUADS.


It just comes across as being a Bum Hunter who doesn't want to see fair matchmaking

[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I dont want to play with AI against squads.

I dont quit.

I waste squads time that want an easy quick win.
If you are in a squad and you play me , you are guaranteed to get a full match.

My stance on quitting is well known and not well liked.

I dont think you understand how it works.

When the game got released matchmaking grouped all overalls together.

Then a patch/update came and 92 and under got seperated from 93 and up.

They added an additional parameter to the current matchmaking giving overall priority.

What im suggesting is adding another parameter.

Simply give solo players 5 min to find a game and if not put them with squads.

Personally i would make that full squads.

Meaning solo gets grouped 4 man squads and smaller.

Its not complicated.

The only people that would disagree are those in full squads that want easy wins.



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All they have to do is separate 3 or more and 2 or less. It ain't rocket science

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Nice way of dancing around your own quotes posts, for something that ‘wasn’t your suggestion.’ You LITERALLY said ‘solo queues into solo first, then queue with a squad if it doesn’t find anyone in 5 minutes’, then say ‘Oh it’s not a solo queue, that’s not my suggestion.’ You were literally quoted saying something that you claim you didn’t say. You really have 0 clue what you’re saying anymore.

What’s the point of all the bitching and complaining if NOTHING CHANGES from the way it is now?

As it stands right now, you go in solo. Matchmaking adds you to 4 randoms, you alone w/ two 2-man squads, 3 randoms w/ 2-man squad, 2 randoms w/ 3-man squad, or you alone w/ 4-man squad. There isn’t **** your ‘new’ suggestion changes with the current system, other than 5-man squads not being in there. And I already explained why a 5-man squad only Rec wouldn’t be viable.

At this point, you’re bitching for the sake of bitching. You’re talking in circles.

After that, you can have it bro. You can sit in here and circle jerk with the three or four in here out of thousands of people and cry to your heart’s content.

The change is in the matchmaking.

In the matchmaking code to be exact.

Players dont decide the que they are placed to, matchmaking makes that decision for them.

If you cant tell the difference then it simply goes way over your head and you should stick to what you actually know.




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[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Okay FG and Tru, let me clue you two in about gaming, because apparently you two (and whoever the hell else is reading this) don't get it.


2k gives your asses FOUR MODES to play: A casual Park, a competitive Park (Ante-Up), a casual Pro-Am (Rec), and a competitive Pro-Am. Pick one. Hell, go play Cages. If you don't like one, go pick another. What the hell else do you want 2k to do? But at a certain point, you're not going to always be protected. It's as simple as that.



In ANY SORT OF ONLINE COMPETITIVE GAME, people are GOING to bum-hunt. 2k, COD, Battlefield, Street Fighter, Pokemon, and whatever else you want to add. It ****ing happens, and it will ALWAYS happen. It's been a part of online gaming from the very beginning, and likely will never change. Every game isn't going to sit back and coddle people who continuously cry and get their feelings hurt because 'the big bad bullies keep beating us!' Get the hell over it. Everyone can't be ****ing coddled and protected on every single front. Some people will always find a way to circumvent the system, whether it's purposely lowering/dropping their rank, starting new profiles, playing mostly in the casual/unranked lobbies, etc etc. You can NEVER 100% stop it from happening, so stop thinking that you can. There are wolves in every community, deal with it. At some point in time, you are eventually going to have to come across these wolves, and the game can't protect you.



I'm an old-school gamer, and I pretty much know that it comes with the territory. I'm from the era before patches, and when you got your *** killed in a game, YOU STARTED FROM THE VERY BEGINNING because there were no save points, AND I survived and thrived in the original XBOX LIVE 360 lobbies (quite sure a lot of you would wilt under that level of utter ruthlessness). So my mentality is much different than yours, which is why I don't give a **** if a challenge pops up (a squad in Rec). I'm not gonna sit here and bitch about it like a 6-year-old. If you don't like it, either leave the ******* lobby, play another mode, or play another game altogether. Or MAYBE, just MAYBE, get better at the ****ing game, or go find your own clan/squad/group to play with. It's not that ****ing hard. If you aren't completely garbage at the game (I'm REALLY starting to wonder about some of you), SOMEBODY will pick you up. Then guess what? You can happily go set the example and go jump in Pro-Am and never play Rec again. But I bet you that won't happen, will it? All that **** you all talk, and I bet your asses will be right in the Rec WITH YOUR SQUAD.


I bet if you jump on COD RIGHT NOW, you will eventually run into a clan/squad with the same clan tag, and they'll happily be in Team Deathmatch/Kill Confirmed/Ground War/etc BUM-HUNTING. Or jump on Battlefield, and you will eventually run across that one lobby with a full *** clan BUM-HUNTING. Jump on the unranked Street Fighter lobbies, and I'm willing to bet every dollar I have that you'll eventually come across some high-ranked players BUM-HUNTING and stomping y'all the hell out. And I'm willing to bet there's some Pokemon or Smash Bros regional champion stomping out little Georgey right now in an unranked lobby getting his rocks off.



This isn't advocating, defending, or being Pro-Bum Hunting, (highlighting it so you can understand) but IT HAPPENS. You can not and WILL NOT be protected in every game mode. You're literally bitching about a TEAM-BASED GAME that ENCOURAGES you to find others to play with. Just because you want to lone-wolf it out here isn't 2k's fault. That's a YOU problem, not a 2K problem. Get the **** over yourselves.