Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

[Vroman]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

If solo rec queue exist 99% solo people would choose that option.
So essentially removing squads from rec achieves that and it doesnt take resources to do it.

[tru11]

Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Alright, let me break this down for you again. This time, why don't you try wiping the tears from your eyes from all the crying and actually pay attention.


What I DON'T CARE about is if I run into squads in the Rec. I've been dealing with it since forever, and so I'm numb to it. If it happens, it happens. I can be by myself, or with a small/large group. We don't sit back and bitch and complain saying "Omg running into a TEAM on a TEAM-BASED GAME is ruining our experience!" MOST people don't give a flying **** if teams are in the Rec or not. That's a YOU problem, not a 2K problem. And stop projecting that BS logic onto me because I don't agree with your raggedy opinion: "OMG because you want to let players choose where they want to play, you must want to take your squad and beat up on bums hurrdurr." You sound goofy. You LITERALLY have no clue what my reasons are for playing Rec a majority of the time, so stop.



What I DO CARE about is people crying about something that easily ****ing avoidable. If you don't like that you have the POSSIBILITY of running into a team, then don't play the damn mode. Who are you and a handful of whiners to dictate what mode(s) a squad in a TEAM-BASED GAME can and can't play? And who are you to tell them what their motivation is just in case they DO choose to play Rec? Just because a group chooses not to go into Pro-Am doesn't mean they're 'afraid of competition.' You have no friggin' clue WHY they chose to play Rec instead. So punish a massive playerbase because a small group of them choose to bum-hunt? GTFO.


And I'll say it again since you apparently didn't catch it the first 30 times: If 2k chooses to make a SEPARATE Rec for solo only matchmaking, more power to them, go for it. That way you, and a small handful of people, can go play to your little heart's content. However, I highly doubt they are going to dedicate and waste resources in order to do that on something so inconsequential.

Yeah you care.

Does it feel good to let it all out?

Keep going acceptance will follow eventually.

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[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

If solo rec queue exist 99% solo people would choose that option.
So essentially removing squads from rec achieves that and it doesnt take resources to do it.

Let me show you why it takes more than you think. You are saying squads should only be allowed to play other squads in Rec, correct? This is why that turns into a problem.


You think you're asking for two separate queues, but in actuality what you are essentially asking for is THREE separate Rec queues instead of one. Why three instead of two? Because of how Pro-Am works, and how matchmaking works. Solo Rec and squad vs squad Rec sounds good, but you are pretty much telling 2-man, 3-man and ESPECIALLY 4-man squads to basically **** off. Two-man squads and three-man squads would have a terrible time trying to queue up in "squad vs squad" Rec, because of a number of factors.


A two-man squad would not only have to wait forever until they linked with a three-man squad (they can't link with another two-man squad because solo randoms can't go in, remember?), but the positions would have to be compatible as well with a random three-man squad, and vice versa. A three-man squad goes in with a PG/PG/SG, PG/SG/SG, or something like that? Yeah, good luck sitting there for 20+ minutes waiting to HOPEFULLY link with a two-man squad that consists of a SF/C, SF/PF, PF/PF or PF/C. Matchmaking won't link them with a guard duo, or a guard/big duo. Three-man and two-man squads would have to randomly stumble across another position-compatible squad. That is going to add unnecessary wait times.


Four-man squads are basically ****ed no matter what. They can't go play Pro-Am because you need 5 to start, they can't play Solo Rec, and now they can't play Squad Rec, because they can't run into a solo random. So that means 2k would have to have a THIRD Rec queue to accommodate four-man squads, which is the one we have now. But they have to hope and pray that a stray solo random joins the regular Rec instead of Solo Rec. But why would a solo random be in the third Rec, instead of Solo Rec? That basically screws four-man squads completely. Hell, as a four-man squad, they can't even play PARK. Essentially, four-man squads can't play ANY MODE.


So you REALLY think 2k is going to build up and maintain THREE SETS of servers instead of ONE for the exact same game mode, when one set serves the purpose of all three? Good luck with that.

[tru11]

Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

The servers are location based and they should have more then 3 already....

So europeans play on a server dedicated for europeans.

Pretty much why they wont play people from asia, north or south america and middle eastern.

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[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

The servers are location based and they should have more then 3 already....

So europeans play on a server dedicated for europeans.

Pretty much why they wont play people from asia, north or south america and middle eastern.

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And they would STILL have to add MANY MORE to accommodate. Whatever they have, multiply it by several times if they tried to implement it. Think about it from a developer POV. Would YOU give yourself three or more times the workload for no reason, when you know that what you already have in place serves the exact same purpose?


Take those european servers, multiply them by 3. Take the US west coast servers, multiply them by 3. Take the rest of the US servers, multiply them by 3. Etc etc. That's unnecessary work and maintenance. They can BARELY maintain what they already have.

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

And they would STILL have to add MANY MORE to accommodate. Whatever they have, multiply it by several times if they tried to implement it. Think about it from a developer POV. Would YOU give yourself three or more times the workload for no reason, when you know that what you already have in place serves the exact same purpose?

No they wont.

They have to change the matchmaking code.

Thats it.

For example:
They could make it that if a solo player had to wait longer then 5 minutes then they would be added to the que for squads.

Squads would be placed in the squad que.

Solo players go in the solo que first.

No extra servers needed whatsoever


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[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

No they wont.

They have to change the matchmaking code.

Thats it.

For example:
They could make it that if a solo player had to wait longer then 5 minutes then they would be added to the que for squads.

Squads would be placed in the squad que.

Solo players go in the solo que first.

No extra servers needed whatsoever


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Are you even listening to yourself?

If a Solo Rec exists, all of the solo players WILL BE IN SOLO REC. That eliminates them from ever queuing up with or against 2-man, 3-man, 4-man or 5-man squads. Period. And if they SOMEHOW MAGICALLY wind up getting moved over and queued up with a squad, THEY’RE GOING TO QUIT OUT. Which puts everything back to square one. You should know that, because I’m sure you would be one of many who would back out because you don’t want to play squads, remember?

I already explained how complicated the squad only Rec could get. And that STILL leaves 4-man squads out in the cold. You or anyone else have yet to come up with a viable solution for them.

Your idea needlessly complicates things.

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Are you even listening to yourself?

If a Solo Rec exists, all of the solo players WILL BE IN SOLO REC. That eliminates them from ever queuing up with or against 2-man, 3-man, 4-man or 5-man squads. Period. And if they SOMEHOW MAGICALLY wind up getting moved over and queued up with a squad, THEY’RE GOING TO QUIT OUT. Which puts everything back to square one. You should know that, because I’m sure you would be one of many who would back out because you don’t want to play squads, correct?

I already explained how complicated the squad only Rec could get. And that STILL leaves 4-man squads out in the cold.

Your idea needlessly complicates things.

I dont want to play with AI against squads.

I dont quit.

I waste squads time that want an easy quick win.
If you are in a squad and you play me , you are guaranteed to get a full match.

My stance on quitting is well known and not well liked.

I dont think you understand how it works.

When the game got released matchmaking grouped all overalls together.

Then a patch/update came and 92 and under got seperated from 93 and up.

They added an additional parameter to the current matchmaking giving overall priority.

What im suggesting is adding another parameter.

Simply give solo players 5 min to find a game and if not put them with squads.

Personally i would make that full squads.

Meaning solo gets grouped 4 man squads and smaller.

Its not complicated.

The only people that would disagree are those in full squads that want easy wins.



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[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I dont want to play with AI against squads.

I dont quit.

I waste squads time that want an easy quick win.
If you are in a squad and you play me , you are guaranteed to get a full match.

My stance on quitting is well known and not well liked.

I dont think you understand how it works.

When the game got released matchmaking grouped all overalls together.

Then a patch/update came and 92 and under got seperated from 93 and up.

They added an additional parameter to the current matchmaking giving overall priority.

What im suggesting is adding another parameter.

Simply give solo players 5 min to find a game and if not put them with squads.

Personally i would make that full squads.

Meaning solo gets grouped 4 man squads and smaller.

Its not complicated.

The only people that would disagree are those in full squads that want easy wins.



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I’m not talking about quitting mid-game. I’m talking about backing out well before the game starts. If someone went into a solo Rec queue mainly so they don’t have to deal with or play against squads, they will immediately back out of the locker room once they are moved over to the squad queue.

Isn’t that the purpose of a Solo Rec? So the solo player doesn’t have to deal with it whatsoever? 2k isn’t going to go through the trouble of creating two separate queues, only to blend them back together anyway. That defeats the purpose. “Yeah, let’s separate ‘single’ player from ‘multiplayer.’ But if the person in ‘single’ player can’t queue up, let’s drop him into ‘multiplayer’ anyway.” Once again, wasted time and wasted resources.

You’re arguing a similar yet different point than Vroman. He wants squads to only face squads, and solos to only face solos. I explained to him why it wouldn’t be as viable as he thinks. And when you come in, you’re arguing similar things, but different things. So I’m trying to compile all of my arguments into one.

Btw you really have to stop with the ‘If someone doesn’t agree with me, then this MUST be what they meant.’ It doesn’t work like that, bro. I try to see where you, Vroman and others are coming from, and provide my counterargument. You don’t even attempt. You keep jumping to extremes. You simply go “I say it’s 90 degrees outside. If you disagree, then you MUST be saying it’s 30 degrees!” Not giving room for anyone to say any degrees in-between.

[Vroman]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

We already have park for 2v2 and 3v3. Could really bring back 4v4 park too it was fun, just sucked to have only single available court.

Yes some want to go into 5v5 mode as duo or trio, but i really don't think its worthwhile to diminish squad vs squad or solo experience for it. Sometime less is more.

A better alternative to that could be official platform to find extra teammates if your are with friend and need to fulfill the squad. Gather squad by yourself even with random people would bring much more quality games compared to any random ovr/bbal iq randomly queing to play with you.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

We already have park for 2v2 and 3v3. Could really bring back 4v4 park too it was fun, just sucked to have only single available court.

Yes some want to go into 5v5 mode as duo or trio, but i really don't think its worthwhile to diminish squad vs squad or solo experience for it. Sometime less is more.

A better alternative to that could be official platform to find extra teammates if your are with friend and need to fulfill the squad. Gather squad by yourself even with random people would bring much more quality games compared to any random ovr/bbal iq randomly queing to play with you.

You do realize not everyone is a fan of Park, right? Some people want to play regulation, 4-quarter basketball. So just screw them, huh? I would be dead wrong if I said ‘If you don’t want to play squads, that’s what the Park is for.’ That sounds kind of selfish, don’t you think?

In a video game, there is no ‘less is more.’ It’s either ‘less is less’, or ‘more is more.’ Less options is supposed to lead to a better experience? Don’t think any gamer in history has ever truly believed that lol.

There already is a platform for that if you choose to go that route: The Communities option on the gaming systems themselves. You can join a community and ask/search for other players. End of the day though, they’re still ‘randoms’ to you because you don’t know how they play until you play with them.

[Vroman]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

You do realize not everyone is a fan of Park, right? Some people want to play regulation, 4-quarter basketball. So just screw them, huh? I would be dead wrong if I said ‘If you don’t want to play squads, that’s what the Park is for.’ That sounds kind of selfish, don’t you think?

In a video game, there is no ‘less is more.’ It’s either ‘less is less’, or ‘more is more.’ Less options is supposed to lead to a better experience? Don’t think any gamer in history has ever truly believed that lol.

There already is a platform for that if you choose to go that route: The Communities option on the gaming systems themselves. You can join a community and ask/search for other players. End of the day though, they’re still ‘randoms’ to you because you don’t know how they play until you play with them.

Like your side no selfish. Current rec center system completely sacrificed proper team vs team pro am experience like we used to have. And teams that should really face other teams are just farming beginners. If you try to diminsh that in favor for your special way to play who are you then ?


Quality over quantity if u ever heard. Better have something that really work well than more thing that half working. We cant even play simple head to head mode smoothly but devs pour more and more silly events in neighbourhood etc.

Still big difference at least knowing you have correct archetype/position to fill the squad.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Like your side no selfish. Current rec center system completely sacrificed proper team vs team pro am experience like we used to have. And teams that should really face other teams just farming beginners. If you try to diminsh that in favor for your special way to play who are you then ?


Quality over quantity if u ever heard. Better have something that really work well than more thing that half working. We cant even play simple head to head mode smoothly but devs pour more and more silly events in neighbourhood etc.

Still big difference at least knowing you have correct archetype/position to fill the squad.

My side is selfish because I want people to be able to play whatever modes they want? That makes literally zero sense.

Current Rec system? You mean the SAME system that has been in place since 16 that nobody has had a problem with, but NOW you decide to complain about it, 5 years later? As if squads have never went into the Rec until this year? Umm...okay. Let me ask you: Did you complain about Rec/Walk-On’s system and squads being allowed in back in 16? 17? 18? 19?

Removing options out of a game is NEVER a good thing. Was removing Crew Mode from 2k12-2k15 a ‘good’ thing? Was removing 5v5 courts from Park a ‘good’ thing? Was removing affiliations a ‘good’ thing?

[Vroman]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

My side is selfish because I want people to be able to play whatever modes they want? That makes literally zero sense.

Current Rec system? You mean the SAME system that has been in place since 16 that nobody has had a problem with, but NOW you decide to complain about it, 5 years later? As if squads have never went into the Rec until this year? Umm...okay. Let me ask you: Did you complain about Rec/Walk-On’s system and squads being allowed in back in 16? 17? 18? 19?

Removing options out of a game is NEVER a good thing. Was removing Crew Mode from 2k12-2k15 a ‘good’ thing? Was removing 5v5 courts from Park a ‘good’ thing?

Well u stating how really important going duo into 5v5 mode is. But it clearly comes with a price that full squads can queue up as well and farm randoms instead populating team pro am. It gives something to minor population that wants to play like this but really ruins it for most people who either go solo or with full team.

Team pro am was a lot more active until 2k19 in general that I didn't even had to try playing rec. I'd be as much annoyed if i had played it then I think.
Since 2k19 people migrated to rec and it became so much worse, cant team up vs other team or going solo its straight terrible with no proper matchmaking system. Had some fun going with friend trying to challenge full squads, but its really an inferior experience to actual even match ups. There is just way too much time wasted with ridiculous unbalanced games that keeps going until u get some decent game finally.

I don't know the crew mode, started to play online since 2k15. 5v5 park style with "got next" spots was so terrible and completely useless. Atleast in rec there is color code for each team and u get the game faster.

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I’m not talking about quitting mid-game. I’m talking about backing out well before the game starts. If someone went into a solo Rec queue mainly so they don’t have to deal with or play against squads, they will immediately back out of the locker room once they are moved over to the squad queue.

Isn’t that the purpose of a Solo Rec? So the solo player doesn’t have to deal with it whatsoever? 2k isn’t going to go through the trouble of creating two separate queues, only to blend them back together anyway. That defeats the purpose. “Yeah, let’s separate ‘single’ player from ‘multiplayer.’ But if the person in ‘single’ player can’t queue up, let’s drop him into ‘multiplayer’ anyway.” Once again, wasted time and wasted resources.

You’re arguing a similar yet different point than Vroman. He wants squads to only face squads, and solos to only face solos. I explained to him why it wouldn’t be as viable as he thinks. And when you come in, you’re arguing similar things, but different things. So I’m trying to compile all of my arguments into one.

Btw you really have to stop with the ‘If someone doesn’t agree with me, then this MUST be what they meant.’ It doesn’t work like that, bro. I try to see where you, Vroman and others are coming from, and provide my counterargument. You don’t even attempt. You keep jumping to extremes. You simply go “I say it’s 90 degrees outside. If you disagree, then you MUST be saying it’s 30 degrees!” Not giving room for anyone to say any degrees in-between.

Dude its not complicated.

All they would do is add to 1 or more lines o coding to the existing matchmaking code.

People wont see the difference when playing.

They enter rec like they do now.
Cant quit before the game starts.
Wont know that they are playing a squad until the game starts.

All that you say has nothing to do with my suggestion.

Most people dont even know they added a 92and under parameter to matchmaking.

Have yet to hear anyone say it was a waste.







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