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  • Housh123
    Banned
    • Jan 2011
    • 1173

    #601
    Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

    Thing about gaming in general is ppl these days don’t want competition

    I remember back in my teens when I’d play Xbox maybe 10 hours a day the whole time of played i was playing against talent and it was lame to hunt bums.


    Gamers nowadays have no problem with building their records off bums. Like the point back in the day was to actually be good but now the point is to be able to tell ppl you have a 95 win %.



    Win % is the worst thing to happen to 2k online play ever. Too many bum players with 90% win because they play with a great PG.


    Idk

    YouTube and Twitch have ruined gaming as well.


    Now everyone wants to be the man on the stream and i swear to god Iv never played a 2k that had more bums who refuse to pass. This is by far the worst 2k in regards to randomly being matched with a good team


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    • tru11
      MVP
      • Aug 2010
      • 1816

      #602
      Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

      Originally posted by Korrupted
      A lot of people have a love/hate relationship with Skill Based Matchmaking. It's great playing against competitive players but playing against sweaty's 24/7? Nahhh I'm good.

      SBMM is currently in NBA 2k if you guys aren't aware but it's based on overall and not skill itself. If you go in with a squad with every player below 92 overall, it'll match you up with the worse scrubs on the game. If you're trying to grind a new player it's the wave. Your teammates will have the IQ of a toddler though so be careful.


      Overall has nothing to do with skill.

      You can play against the cpu on the lowest difficulty and get to 99 overall ....

      Its not a measurement of skill.

      The closest thing to measuring skill is the teamgrade coupled with your online stats.

      Anyone below A- and/or less then 3 assist per game you can pretty much guaranteed its a clueless player....
      To bad you cant see shot% and TO%.

      Those would be dead give aways to.

      Tells you alot more then win %.

      But the fact that they grouped every build stats says how little they have thought about this....


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      • Korrupted
        Pro
        • Nov 2015
        • 917

        #603
        Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

        Originally posted by tru11
        Overall has nothing to do with skill.

        You can play against the cpu on the lowest difficulty and get to 99 overall ....

        Its not a measurement of skill.

        The closest thing to measuring skill is the teamgrade coupled with your online stats.

        Anyone below A- and/or less then 3 assist per game you can pretty much guaranteed its a clueless player....
        To bad you cant see shot% and TO%.

        Those would be dead give aways to.

        Tells you alot more then win %.

        But the fact that they grouped every build stats says how little they have thought about this....


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        I don't think I ever said overall = skill. It's just how the current matchmaking is. SMH

        Stats don't tell all just like overall doesn't tell all. There are a lot things to factor in why a persons averages are so high, teammate grade is so low etc etc. People have until September to find a legitimate squad just in case 2k doesn't change the matchmaking. That's more than enough to be on the safe side of going through the same experience again.

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        • tru11
          MVP
          • Aug 2010
          • 1816

          #604
          Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

          Originally posted by Korrupted
          I don't think I ever said overall = skill. It's just how the current matchmaking is. SMH



          Stats don't tell all just like overall doesn't tell all. There are a lot things to factor in why a persons averages are so high, teammate grade is so low etc etc. People have until September to find a legitimate squad just in case 2k doesn't change the matchmaking. That's more than enough to be on the safe side of going through the same experience again.


          You said we have SBMM that uses overall...

          If overall isent skill then we dont have SBMM.

          So which one is it according to you?



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          • Korrupted
            Pro
            • Nov 2015
            • 917

            #605
            Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

            Originally posted by tru11
            You said we have SBMM that uses overall...

            If overall isent skill then we dont have SBMM.

            So which one is it according to you?



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            So I guess we can call it Overall Based Matchmaking then, correct? I didn't know I had to be that specific. You get the concept that 2k has in place from what I initially said.

            At the end of the day this game has a matchmaking system in place. It's not what people want but it's there. It could definitely be tweaked for 2k21 to help the masses out. Who knows if 2k will make any significant changes though.

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            • tru11
              MVP
              • Aug 2010
              • 1816

              #606
              Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

              Originally posted by Korrupted
              So I guess we can call it Overall Based Matchmaking then, correct? I didn't know I had to be that specific. You get the concept that 2k has in place from what I initially said.



              At the end of the day this game has a matchmaking system in place. It's not what people want but it's there. It could definitely be tweaked for 2k21 to help the masses out. Who knows if 2k will make any significant changes though.

              Calling it skillbased is pretty specific and wrong.

              The rest of your reply is pretty much kicking in open doors.

              This thread has been running for almost 6 months now.

              For the record 2K has several matchmaking systems in place.

              This thread is about 1 of them.


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              • Korrupted
                Pro
                • Nov 2015
                • 917

                #607
                Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                Originally posted by tru11
                Calling it skillbased is pretty specific and wrong.

                The rest of your reply is pretty much kicking in open doors.

                This thread has been running for almost 6 months now.

                For the record 2K has several matchmaking systems in place.

                This thread is about 1 of them.


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                In actuality some people often equate overall to skill...Some not all. Having played in the matchmaking system and seeing how bad the low overalls are, I don't see it being that wrong. I stand on what I said.

                Shed light on the several matchmaking systems because I'm sure a lot of people aren't aware. The only other I'm aware of is PRO Am which is completely broken 2 years in a row. It took quite a few months for people to figure out the JRC system.

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                • tru11
                  MVP
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 1816

                  #608
                  Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                  [QUOTE=Korrupted;2050122680]In actuality some people often equate overall to skill...Some not all. Having played in the matchmaking system and seeing how bad the low overalls are, I don't see it being that wrong. I stand on what I said.



                  Shed light on the several matchmaking systems because I'm sure a lot of people aren't aware. The only other I'm aware of is PRO Am which is completely broken 2 years in a row. It took quite a few months for people to figure out the JRC system.[/]

                  You can find bad players at any overall.
                  Just like you can find good players at any overall.

                  Overall says nothing about skill.

                  Every online multiplayer mode has a form matchmaking.


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                  • Cardinal Sin
                    Rookie
                    • Dec 2017
                    • 40

                    #609
                    Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                    [QUOTE=tru11;2050122731]
                    Originally posted by Korrupted
                    In actuality some people often equate overall to skill...Some not all. Having played in the matchmaking system and seeing how bad the low overalls are, I don't see it being that wrong. I stand on what I said.



                    Shed light on the several matchmaking systems because I'm sure a lot of people aren't aware. The only other I'm aware of is PRO Am which is completely broken 2 years in a row. It took quite a few months for people to figure out the JRC system.[/]

                    You can find bad players at any overall.
                    Just like you can find good players at any overall.

                    Overall says nothing about skill.

                    Every online multiplayer mode has a form matchmaking.


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                    I agree with your general premise that overall is not a great indicator of skill, but it is still false to say it has no correlation with skill. If I told you, that one player was a 77 overall and the other was a 97 overall and told you predict which one is better (giving you no other information) are you telling me you wouldn't say the 97 overall? The 97 has likely played the game longer and/or is more invested in it, furthermore the way the game is designed the 97 will have higher attributes so the game has added a further (skill-independent) advantage. So I would call the current system an attempt at skill-based matchmaking but it is a lazy and relatively poor one as obvious by the bum-hunters now running full squads of max-badged 92s in Rec. The fundamental problem is there is no way to quantify skill perfectly, win % is probably the best but that obviously has flaws, as someone could just get carried by their squad to a great win %. Rep is ok as a measure of skill when the game is relatively new but by this point the game has been out long enough that it is becoming increasingly correlated with simply how much you play... as I have been noticing more and more Elites that just aren't very good, and actually saw an Elite 2 the other day with a sub .500 winning percentage in all online game modes.

                    I think the best solution is to match-make based on the maximum squad size in each lobby, and only match that lobby with other lobbies that have +-1 that squad size. E.g. if you come in with a full squad of 5 you are only going to play teams that come in with 4 or 5 people together. This would probably take a little longer to match-make but is worth it in my opinion as it would essentially mean that full squads will be matched mostly with full squads and lineups of half squads (e.g. 3 people) would be matched mostly with half squads, and lineups of randoms would be matched with lineups of randoms.

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                    • TheFgGoatLikesHawks
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2019
                      • 359

                      #610
                      Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                      Originally posted by tru11
                      Overall has nothing to do with skill.

                      You can play against the cpu on the lowest difficulty and get to 99 overall ....

                      Its not a measurement of skill.

                      The closest thing to measuring skill is the teamgrade coupled with your online stats.

                      Anyone below A- and/or less then 3 assist per game you can pretty much guaranteed its a clueless player....
                      To bad you cant see shot% and TO%.

                      Those would be dead give aways to.

                      Tells you alot more then win %.

                      But the fact that they grouped every build stats says how little they have thought about this....


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                      Yeah all that and the eyeball test. Court vision and timing (cutting at the right time, being in sync etc) plus a lot of other signs of bball iq are signs too if someone is good or not. I think the reason Rec doesn't show too many stats is that it would take longer to find a game, 'cause if I'm seeing guys shooting 30%, I'm backing out asap. So 2K always needs to balance finding a game in a reasonable amount of time vs showing stats that may 'cause more backouts.

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                      • TheFgGoatLikesHawks
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2019
                        • 359

                        #611
                        Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                        Originally posted by jyoung
                        jumpshot 38 + gold catch & shoot + silver corner specialist will be enough to unlock those corner three hot zones as long as your three point rating is at least in the high 40s.

                        Then once you get the hot zones (it only takes 10 attempts at 40% shooting accuracy) you can swap out gold catch & shoot for gold hot zone hunter and you'll be greening all your open corner threes.
                        I hate that shortcuts like this exist to get around build limitations. Only makes the game more unrealistic.

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                        • TheFgGoatLikesHawks
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2019
                          • 359

                          #612
                          Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                          Originally posted by kdurantmvp
                          Who cares if these guys want easy wins? They paid the same amount of money as you guys, if that's how they want to play then so be it. You guys act like you get a medal for winning comp games. Not everyone wants to play comp and those who do are in the pro am leagues.

                          If the 2k community wasn't so trash at this game, you wouldn't have folks preying on them.
                          I guess we know what kind of player you are - a bum hunting tryhard lol.

                          Sure if that's how they want to play it, then they should expect the negative response to expose them for what they are - 2K trash. If I'm going into 92 and under Rec with my tryhard full squad, playing 5 out, zone etc, I'll gladly call myself trash. It's a scared mentality. Not just scared of pro-am comp, but scared of 92+ REC comp? C'mon man...

                          Obviously the players who want a more balanced matchmaking system 'care', hence the popularity of this thread. But it's ultimately on 2K to fix the bs and hopefully they get the message.

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                          • TheFgGoatLikesHawks
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2019
                            • 359

                            #613
                            Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                            Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                            Basketball is just one those sports/games that's unforgiving when it comes to bad randoms, but it's also one of those games where a random can completely sabotage your team and your chances of winning. Basketball also feels like one of those games where a "lone wolf" can just completely ruin your gaming experience. Correct me if there are other games where a random/lone wolf can have such an impact on the outcome of a game.
                            That's also why it's a great sport too. Team sport but one player is 20% of the team and can have a huge impact and take over the game, and it could be any position. I've played football, baseball etc but I don't like how one position has too much power in those even if he's not the best (QB, pitcher, coach). In basketball you're not limited by what position you play. Even centers can play like a shooting guard. Or someone like a 6'6 draymond green can guard a center or run an offense. I could on and on about why basketball is the best sport but that's another story lol

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                            • ksuttonjr76
                              All Star
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 8662

                              #614
                              Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                              Originally posted by TheFgGoatLikesHawks
                              That's also why it's a great sport too. Team sport but one player is 20% of the team and can have a huge impact and take over the game, and it could be any position. I've played football, baseball etc but I don't like how one position has too much power in those even if he's not the best (QB, pitcher, coach). In basketball you're not limited by what position you play. Even centers can play like a shooting guard. Or someone like a 6'6 draymond green can guard a center or run an offense. I could on and on about why basketball is the best sport but that's another story lol
                              Lol...One of the few recreational sports that you can feel like a hero, and it not be a tournament or championship game. I remember playing one game (to 15), where this dude kept talking and talking and talking until he got on my damn nerves. He kept going on about how I couldn't score on him (wasn't really trying, because I'm not a scorer by nature), and I finally told him to shut up. He said I sucked and need to go home, then I told him "I promise you and the rest your whole mfing team didn't get another rebound from here on out!". My friends call that my HOF game, lol. They would swear before God that I snatched down the next 15+ rebounds for BOTH teams. My one friend was like "Brother, we stopped coming into the paint to help you!" LMAO. Came back from 11-7 to win.

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                              • tru11
                                MVP
                                • Aug 2010
                                • 1816

                                #615
                                Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                                [QUOTE=Cardinal Sin;2050122968]
                                Originally posted by tru11



                                I agree with your general premise that overall is not a great indicator of skill, but it is still false to say it has no correlation with skill. If I told you, that one player was a 77 overall and the other was a 97 overall and told you predict which one is better (giving you no other information) are you telling me you wouldn't say the 97 overall? The 97 has likely played the game longer and/or is more invested in it, furthermore the way the game is designed the 97 will have higher attributes so the game has added a further (skill-independent) advantage. So I would call the current system an attempt at skill-based matchmaking but it is a lazy and relatively poor one as obvious by the bum-hunters now running full squads of max-badged 92s in Rec. The fundamental problem is there is no way to quantify skill perfectly, win % is probably the best but that obviously has flaws, as someone could just get carried by their squad to a great win %. Rep is ok as a measure of skill when the game is relatively new but by this point the game has been out long enough that it is becoming increasingly correlated with simply how much you play... as I have been noticing more and more Elites that just aren't very good, and actually saw an Elite 2 the other day with a sub .500 winning percentage in all online game modes.



                                I think the best solution is to match-make based on the maximum squad size in each lobby, and only match that lobby with other lobbies that have +-1 that squad size. E.g. if you come in with a full squad of 5 you are only going to play teams that come in with 4 or 5 people together. This would probably take a little longer to match-make but is worth it in my opinion as it would essentially mean that full squads will be matched mostly with full squads and lineups of half squads (e.g. 3 people) would be matched mostly with half squads, and lineups of randoms would be matched with lineups of randoms.

                                I would not.

                                That 97 could be the avg bum you find in JRC while that 77 overall could be a pro player.

                                Or that 97 could be a bums 1 and only build while that 77 could be someones 10th build.

                                To many variables to consider to say 1 player is more skilled based on just the overall.

                                I would say that 97 probably has the advantage in the build.
                                But maybe that 77 also has all the badges so it might not be an advantage at all.

                                I mean you could make an interior force.
                                Only get hook shots, shots close, interior defense,block and defense rebounding.
                                Maybe post moves and post fade.
                                Get all the badges and you basically have all you need to make this build work.
                                Should be around 80 overall.





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