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  • Vroman
    Pro
    • Aug 2014
    • 959

    #661
    Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

    Originally posted by Caelumfang
    Don’t take this as a shot at you, because it’s not (I’ve had this discussion with people I’ve played with for years as well), but I don’t understand this line of thinking at all.

    You want “squad vs squad“ only, but you all abandoned the “squad vs squad” only mode in order to go play a mode where your squad plays randoms. Then the people complain that beating up on randoms is boring, and there isn’t enough competition, so they quit playing. Yet....they LEFT the ‘competitive’ mode.

    I’m lost.
    You didn't read well into it, pro am mode couldn't find opponents so had to try rec. If we could find opponents in pro am, would not look into rec at all.
    And it being so because dedicated squads moved to rec to bash randoms, if game had some sort of matchmaking those squads would match vs other squad if available first, but since there isnt any it take too little chance for 2 squads to get matched together
    Last edited by Vroman; 07-09-2020, 02:49 PM.

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    • Caelumfang
      MVP
      • Oct 2012
      • 1218

      #662
      Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

      Originally posted by Vroman
      You didn't read well into it, pro am mode couldn't find opponents so had to try rec. If could find opponents in pro am, would not look into rec at all.
      And it being so because dedicated squads moved to rec to bash randoms, if game had some sort of matchmaking those squads would match vs other squad if available first, but since there isnt any it take too little chance for 2 squads to get matched together
      Okay thanks for explaining it better.

      Now, that was something I tried to get across in this topic some pages ago, but people were still whining. Some squads moved to Rec because of the horrid matchmaking in Pro Am, not because they ACTIVELY chose to ‘bum hunt.’ But it’s like, what were people expecting them to do? Rec is literally the only other 5v5 mode in the game, because 2k foolishly took out the 5v5 Park courts years ago.

      I don’t see 2k making a second ‘squad vs squad only’ mode when they already have one in place.

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      • Vroman
        Pro
        • Aug 2014
        • 959

        #663
        Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

        Originally posted by Caelumfang
        Okay thanks for explaining it better.

        Now, that was something I tried to get across in this topic some pages ago, but people were still whining. Some squads moved to Rec because of the horrid matchmaking in Pro Am, not because they ACTIVELY chose to ‘bum hunt.’ But it’s like, what were people expecting them to do? Rec is literally the only other 5v5 mode in the game, because 2k foolishly took out the 5v5 Park courts years ago.

        I don’t see 2k making a second ‘squad vs squad only’ mode when they already have one in place.
        You'd be surprised to find out how many self proclaimed "great players" just want an easy dominant games and never get exposed vs competition. Many of those squads trolling in the rec never even bothered to create pro am team.
        Its been a creeping problem since the early days of 2k15/2k16 park and got progressively worse each year.

        For a start solution could be very simple. If a squad queue up in rec , matchmaking prioritize othere queued up squad as an opponent.

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        • Caelumfang
          MVP
          • Oct 2012
          • 1218

          #664
          Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

          Originally posted by Vroman
          You'd be surprised to find out how many self proclaimed "great players" just want an easy dominant games and never get exposed vs competition. Many of those squads trolling in the rec never even bothered to create pro am team.
          Its been a creeping problem since the early days of 2k15/2k16 park and got progressively worse each year.

          For a start solution could be very simple. If a squad queue up in rec , matchmaking prioritize othere queued up squad as an opponent.
          That could be a problem though, because not every ‘squad’ is an actual squad, if you get what I’m saying. I’ll give a couple perfect examples.

          1.) There’s two people I run with on this board. While those two are good, the people they choose to bring along to the Rec from their respective friends lists are sometimes are very very questionable. I know there’s some people on MY friend list that are questionable. Hell, sometimes the team makeup has us struggling against RANDOMS, lmao. But just because us 5 decided to team up for a couple games doesn’t make us a ‘squad.’

          2.) There’s been times that I’ve been in the Rec by myself, and just so happened to run across a set of randoms that seemingly know what they’re doing. After a couple games we’d add each other, then group up, only to realize they aren’t as good as I initially thought. But again, that doesn’t make us a ‘squad’, and therefore forced into a situation where we are thrust into a Team Pro Am-like situation if we don’t want to, especially if we don’t know each other’s games like that.

          And I’m sure those two scenarios have happened to countless people on 2k, including some on here. Sure, in any game you’re gonna have somebody try to take advantage of any system, but it isn’t broken or something that needs ‘fixing.’ You go into a recreational center, you’re playing the odds, in-game or IRL. And that’s the point of it: to replicate that environment.

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          • Vroman
            Pro
            • Aug 2014
            • 959

            #665
            Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

            Still doesnt make sense to have squad entry option to rec while we got pro am available already. If your squad not good there should mmr system that give u a matching opponent. Letting u go vs complete random selection lineup is very poor alternative and do way more harm to overall experience.
            For a really casual option there could be game mode to play vs cpu controlled team .

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            • Caelumfang
              MVP
              • Oct 2012
              • 1218

              #666
              Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

              Originally posted by Vroman
              Still doesnt make sense to have squad entry option to rec while we got pro am available already. If your squad not good there should mmr system that give u a matching opponent. Letting u go vs complete random selection lineup is very poor alternative and do way more harm to overall experience.
              For a really casual option there could be game mode to play vs cpu controlled team .
              It makes perfect sense. It’s an unranked mode. And if you were to go into a rec center IRL, are the staff gonna kick you out because you wanted to play ball with a buddy or two, or tell y’all that because you all came in together, you are only allowed to play in the sanctioned league/tournaments (Pro-Am)?

              And who the hell wants to play against an all-cpu team? Doubt anyone in 2k history wants to play a 5-man game vs all AI.

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              • Vroman
                Pro
                • Aug 2014
                • 959

                #667
                Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                Pro am is as much "ranked" as rec at this point. You get recorded stats and w-l ratio on both . There is no tournament or league aspect in pro am really, if you dislike your team record u can just restart it.

                If there'd be no squad entry to rec there'd be plenty array of teams for all levels of gameplay. And for ones wanting solo random gameplay - no cheeseball squads making it most miserable.

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                • Caelumfang
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 1218

                  #668
                  Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                  Originally posted by Vroman
                  Pro am is as much "ranked" as rec at this point. You get recorded stats and w-l ratio on both . There is no tournament or league aspect in pro am really, if you dislike your team record u can just restart it.

                  If there'd be no squad entry to rec there'd be plenty array of teams for all levels of gameplay. And for ones wanting solo random gameplay - no cheeseball squads making it most miserable.
                  What makes Pro-Am ranked is team record, team ranking and leaderboards. Rec doesn’t have that. So they’re not even comparable.

                  If they want a solo Rec with 100% randoms, fine. Doubt 2k will dedicate resources to it, but whatever. But banning squads from Rec so people don’t get their feelings hurt isn’t going to happen.

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                  • bigballa21
                    Rookie
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 176

                    #669
                    Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                    yep it's not really good, every time i go to the rec with my 6"5 200 lb Mid-Range slasher they got me playing PF against paint beasts/glocks/rim protectors. it's frustrating because no matter how many times i quit out and join another park/rec they still got me at PF. This ish better not be in 2k21
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                    • Caelumfang
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 1218

                      #670
                      Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                      Originally posted by bigballa21
                      yep it's not really good, every time i go to the rec with my 6"5 200 lb Mid-Range slasher they got me playing PF against paint beasts/glocks/rim protectors. it's frustrating because no matter how many times i quit out and join another park/rec they still got me at PF. This ish better not be in 2k21
                      Now THIS is a valid complaint.

                      Is your player a SF by chance? Because for some odd reason this year, the matchmaking loves to move the SF to the 4, and PF to the 5. Like it’s trying to force small ball.

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                      • bigballa21
                        Rookie
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 176

                        #671
                        Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                        Originally posted by Caelumfang
                        Now THIS is a valid complaint.

                        Is your player a SF by chance? Because for some odd reason this year, the matchmaking loves to move the SF to the 4, and PF to the 5. Like it’s trying to force small ball.
                        yeah he's a small forward, it just gets real frustrating because i don't have a lot of time to play and when my friends are not on i play rec because mycareer is trash. There are times i just close app and just do something else because I'm tired of playing out of position. So much so im getting paranoid starting to think 2k does this on purpose to make you make another build.
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                        • Caelumfang
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 1218

                          #672
                          Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                          Originally posted by bigballa21
                          yeah he's a small forward, it just gets real frustrating because i don't have a lot of time to play and when my friends are not on i play rec because mycareer is trash. There are times i just close app and just do something else because I'm tired of playing out of position. So much so im getting paranoid starting to think 2k does this on purpose to make you make another build.
                          Eh, doubt that is the reason. But because of how often SFs are moved to the 4 IRL, that’s probably the reason it’s like this now. That mixed with everybody and their mama making PGs and SGs this year. I reckon it’s probably difficult to constantly matchmake with PFs, because I’m willing to bet it’s the least made position.

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                          • bigballa21
                            Rookie
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 176

                            #673
                            Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                            Originally posted by Caelumfang
                            Eh, doubt that is the reason. But because of how often SFs are moved to the 4 IRL, that’s probably the reason it’s like this now. That mixed with everybody and their mama making PGs and SGs this year. I reckon it’s probably difficult to constantly matchmake with PFs, because I’m willing to bet it’s the least made position.
                            occam's razor, what you said is probably what it is but it doesn't make it any less frustrating. If they made bigs a bit more dynamic then maybe there would be more of them. PG's this year seems to have all the advantages and all of the best/most badges and attributes.
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                            • tru11
                              MVP
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 1816

                              #674
                              Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                              Originally posted by Caelumfang
                              What ‘act’? Because I don’t mind playing squads? Because I would rather hold myself and/or my own teammates accountable as opposed to blaming everything on the other team? Yeah okay.

                              Dude, in any 2k, you have a chance of playing with or against AI. It’s inevitable. It’s boring, but it is guaranteed to happen at some point. There is LITERALLY nothing 2k can do about that.

                              Teammates quitting is a THEM problem, not a YOU problem. Going against a squad or not, people will be people. Some will stick it out and try to correct how they play, some will quit in the first quarter because they went 0-3 from the field, or because they feel like a 7-point lead in the 1st is somehow an insurmountable lead.

                              Listen, at the end of the day, the ‘changes’ that you and a handful of people on here want are so inconsequential, it isn’t going to happen. When the devs pop up on Twitter or Reddit asking for what changes the community wants, I don’t see anyone popping on there saying ‘you shouldn’t let squads play in Rec’, ‘separate solo Rec from squad Rec’, or anything like that. That is literally the least of anyone’s concerns.

                              The matchmaking for Rec/Walk-On has been the same since 16. You can walk in by yourself, as a 2-man, 3-man, 4-man or 5 man squad with a mix of randoms or other 2 or 3-man squads, and be randomly matched up against an opposing team of the same exact things. And nobody cried or cared about ‘squads vs randoms’ at any point. And very very few, if anybody, ever cared about some sort of ‘solo Rec’. But now it’s supposed to change because a small handful of people on OS and maybe reddit have a problem with it this year? Yeah, let 2k jump right on that.

                              If they do somehow add a ‘solo Rec’, it’ll be absolutely hilarious and a complete ****show. And yet I can almost guarantee they’d remove it within a year or two because it won’t be played much. ESPECIALLY if fluctuating overalls make a return. Which is EXACTLY WHY people don’t want to play with randoms much this year.


                              Again drop the act.

                              You have been spending months in this thread arguing and are now writing essays.

                              It totally contradicts the behavior of someone that does not care.

                              You care.

                              You want to squad up and get easy wins against a group of randoms.

                              That is all there is to this.

                              Nothing more and nothing less.




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                              • Caelumfang
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2012
                                • 1218

                                #675
                                Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

                                Originally posted by tru11
                                Again drop the act.

                                You have been spending months in this thread arguing and are now writing essays.

                                It totally contradicts the behavior of someone that does not care.

                                You care.

                                You want to squad up and get easy wins against a group of randoms.

                                That is all there is to this.

                                Nothing more and nothing less.




                                Sent from my iPhone using Operation Sports
                                Alright, let me break this down for you again. This time, why don't you try wiping the tears from your eyes from all the crying and actually pay attention.


                                What I DON'T CARE about is if I run into squads in the Rec. I've been dealing with it since forever, and so I'm numb to it. If it happens, it happens. I can be by myself, or with a small/large group. We don't sit back and bitch and complain saying "Omg running into a TEAM on a TEAM-BASED GAME is ruining our experience!" MOST people don't give a flying **** if teams are in the Rec or not. That's a YOU problem, not a 2K problem. And stop projecting that BS logic onto me because I don't agree with your raggedy opinion: "OMG because you want to let players choose where they want to play, you must want to take your squad and beat up on bums hurrdurr." You sound goofy. You LITERALLY have no clue what my reasons are for playing Rec a majority of the time, so stop.



                                What I DO CARE about is people crying about something that easily ****ing avoidable. If you don't like that you have the POSSIBILITY of running into a team, then don't play the damn mode. Who are you and a handful of whiners to dictate what mode(s) a squad in a TEAM-BASED GAME can and can't play? And who are you to tell them what their motivation is just in case they DO choose to play Rec? Just because a group chooses not to go into Pro-Am doesn't mean they're 'afraid of competition.' You have no friggin' clue WHY they chose to play Rec instead. So punish a massive playerbase because a small group of them choose to bum-hunt? GTFO.


                                And I'll say it again since you apparently didn't catch it the first 30 times: If 2k chooses to make a SEPARATE Rec for solo only matchmaking, more power to them, go for it. That way you, and a small handful of people, can go play to your little heart's content. However, I highly doubt they are going to dedicate and waste resources in order to do that on something so inconsequential.
                                Last edited by Caelumfang; 07-10-2020, 02:39 AM.

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