Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

And whether you like it or not, 2K is doing what it can to REPLICATE THE RECREATION CENTER feeling. Guess what? You can be in a Rec Center playing ball with some people you don't know, and a group of friends can walk right in the door and challenge you all to a basketball game. Then from there, they can proceed to whoop the **** out of your team. Same exact **** can happen in The Rec on 2K.


Or is that too much for you to understand?

[BasketBalla21]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

This isn't advocating, defending, or being Pro-Bum Hunting, (highlighting it so you can understand) but IT HAPPENS.

Nah bro you're not gonna go on a profanity laced tirade telling us to not suggest solutions for a poor match-making system AND say you're not defending "bum-hunting"

You're free to your opinion, but I'm not letting you get away with that one

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Nah bro you're not gonna go on a profanity laced tirade telling us to not suggest solutions for a poor match-making system AND say you're not defending "bum-hunting"

You're free to your opinion, but I'm not letting you get away with that one

Not one time did I say don't suggest solutions. I'm saying the 'solutions' don't make sense in the grand scheme of things in my opinion. And I've stated my reasons why I felt that way. Multiple times. And every time I did, I got the usual "YOU MUST LIKE BUM-HUNTING HURRDURR." when that's not what it was AT ALL. But I live in reality where I know it's going to happen, period. I simply don't cry about it.

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

It goes way over your head.

The fact that you picked cod as an example is telling.

That game has skillbased matchmaking.

If you are an average player you might run into a squad or clan of average players.

Its pretty much impossible to run into a squad or clan of top players.

You play people of similar skill level wether they are solo or in a group.

The skill level is around the same.

In 2K not so much.

You could be a rookie playing your first game and run into a squad of legends...

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

It goes way over your head.

The fact that you picked cod as an example is telling.

That game has skillbased matchmaking.

If you are an average player you might run into a squad or clan of average players.

Its pretty much impossible to run into a squad or clan of top players.

You play people of similar skill level wether they are solo or in a group.

The skill level is around the same.

In 2K not so much.

You could be a rookie playing your first game and run into a squad of legends...

I bet if you jump on COD RIGHT NOW, you will eventually run into a clan/squad with the same clan tag, and they'll happily be in Team Deathmatch/Kill Confirmed/Ground War/etc BUM-HUNTING.


Stop misreading ****. Did I say a clan of TOP PLAYERS for COD? No, I said a clan, period. You do realize a 'clan' can just be a bunch of people who've played together for years, and decided to wear the same clan tag, right? They would still have the advantage over a rag-tag group of players simply because they know how they're going to attack each level, while the other team might not even be on the mic, much less communicating with each other.


What's actually telling is that you are seriously equating Rep level in 2k to skill.

[BasketBalla21]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Since COD is cross-platform I bet the skill-based matchmaking is even better since the player pool multiplied. I hope 2k gets PC hackers under control and has cross-play.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Since COD is cross-platform I bet the skill-based matchmaking is even better since the player pool multiplied. I hope 2k gets PC hackers under control and has cross-play.

Maaaaan listen, I don't think I could EVER trust going cross-platform with PC players. It's not even just the hacks, it's also the third-party programs they can have running in the background. I don't trust them AT ALL.

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I bet if you jump on COD RIGHT NOW, you will eventually run into a clan/squad with the same clan tag, and they'll happily be in Team Deathmatch/Kill Confirmed/Ground War/etc BUM-HUNTING.


Stop misreading ****. Did I say a clan of TOP PLAYERS for COD? No, I said a clan, period. You do realize a 'clan' can just be a bunch of people who've played together for years, and decided to wear the same clan tag, right? No, I guess that went over your head.

Everyone expects it to be a bunch of people dude.

Doubt anyone expects it to be a bunch of animals playing.

Cod has skill based matchmaking.

It does not support your argument.

It supports the meaning of this thread.

A group of random rookies playing against a a squad of rookies has never been the complaint.

A group of random rookies against a squad of elite/legends is.



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[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Everyone expects it to be a bunch of people dude.

Doubt anyone expects it to be a bunch of animals playing.

Cod has skill based matchmaking.

It does not support your argument.

It supports the meaning of this thread.

A group of random rookies playing against a a squad of rookies has never been the complaint.

A group of random rookies against a squad of elite/legends is.



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I'm about to slam my head into a wall talking to you. For the millionth time, I said NOTHING about the skill based matchmaking in COD. I simply said you can run into a clan. Not a clan of top players, not some god squad, just a CLAN. People who've known each other and decided to link up and wear the same clan tag. My God...


Ask yourself this question: What actual advantage does an Elite player have over a Rookie player other than the mindgame? Hm? Not a damn thing. The ONLY players who have a slight advantage over others are Legends because of the extra badge points. And yet, that still means nothing. It means you've played the game longer. THAT'S IT. Nothing at all about skill.

I literally just watched a 98 2-Way Slashing Playmaker Legend get taken to school by a freakin' 90 overall with 9 badges.


And if you go back and read, I said I don't see 2k dedicating time and resources to 'correct' something that really doesn't need corrected. You literally take it as a personal insult and decide to continue to assume **** about me like "You disagree because you love to bum-hunt." when you don't know a damn thing about me, or why I play Rec. And you wonder why I keep getting agitated.

[tru11]

Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I bet if you jump on COD RIGHT NOW, you will eventually run into a clan/squad with the same clan tag, and they'll happily be in Team Deathmatch/Kill Confirmed/Ground War/etc BUM-HUNTING.


Stop misreading ****. Did I say a clan of TOP PLAYERS for COD? No, I said a clan, period. You do realize a 'clan' can just be a bunch of people who've played together for years, and decided to wear the same clan tag, right? They would still have the advantage over a rag-tag group of players simply because they know how they're going to attack each level, while the other team might not even be on the mic, much less communicating with each other.


What's actually telling is that you are seriously equating Rep level in 2k to skill.

A clan that needs to communicate to reach a certain level will play a group of randoms that dont need to communicate to reach that level.

That is the balance.

Now if those randoms decide to communicate it will be the clan who is at a disadvantage.

I never equated rep level to skill.
That is what you assume.

I used it as an example to make it easy for you to understand as if i go into specifics things get to complicated for you.

My view on skill in 2K is widely documented and not a secret at all.
Some can attest to that as i have brought it up on numerous occasions.
Rep was not part and wont be part of it.

2K uses overall btw.

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[tru11]

Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I'm about to slam my head into a wall talking to you. For the millionth time, I said NOTHING about the skill based matchmaking in COD. I simply said you can run into a clan. Not a clan of top players, not some god squad, just a CLAN. People who've known each other and decided to link up and wear the same clan tag. My God...


Ask yourself this question: What actual advantage does an Elite player have over a Rookie player other than the mindgame? Hm? Not a damn thing. The ONLY players who have a slight advantage over others are Legends because of the extra badge points. And yet, that still means nothing. It means you've played the game longer. THAT'S IT. Nothing at all about skill.

I literally just watched a 98 2-Way Slashing Playmaker Legend get taken to school by a freakin' 90 overall with 9 badges.


And if you go back and read, I said I don't see 2k dedicating time and resources to 'correct' something that really doesn't need corrected. You literally take it as a personal insult and decide to continue to assume **** about me like "You disagree because you love to bum-hunt." when you don't know a damn thing about me, or why I play Rec. And you wonder why I keep getting agitated.

This is a matchmaking thread dude.

Are you lost?

What time and resources would it take?

It would take about the same time and resources it took for them to add overal to matchmaking.

You probably said the same before they changed it.

They change stuff under the hood constantly.

What do you think those go the main menu update msgs are about?



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[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

A clan that needs to communicate to reach a certain level will play a group of randoms that dont need to communicate to reach that level.

That is the balance.

Now if those randoms decide to communicate it will be the clan who is at a disadvantage.

I never equated rep level to skill.
That is what you assume.

I used it as an example to make it easy for you to understand as if i go into specifics things get to complicated for you.




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The clan will still be at an advantage. If they've known each other for a while and know how each other plays, they'll know how to adjust to the adjustment. You can continue to think that it's all foolproof, but it's not. If they lose, that's on them. But the advantage will always be in their hands.


Your example was a horrible one, Mr. 'Too Complicated.' IMO the 'skill based matchmaking' would be more difficult for a game like 2K. Too many factors. Going by Teammate Grade wouldn't work, and going by playstyle probably wouldn't work either. It's also why the fluctuating overall is a complete flop. Why, do you ask? Think about how many higher-tier teams play. The 'skill-based' system would really only be able to calculate the PG and C, because the other three players are nothing but cones on offense, and only get shots up on a fastbreak or when they're 'gifted' the ball once their man helps off. It would only be able to judge them off of defense, but that gets complicated too because they aren't doing a whole lot because they're constantly in zone defense, so their defensive capability can't be calculated correctly either.


Why did I bring up the fluctuating overall? Because if they're not doing much of anything but being a cone on offense, and only playing some defense, they're usually walking away with 97s and 98s as a grade, which is dropping their overall. The game doesn't realize that they're filling a role on the team, so they're being punished because they aren't stuffing the stat sheet every game. And so, I guarantee you after so many games, they're forced back into MyCareer to get their overall back up. Only people on the team who usually don't have to worry about that are the PG and C, since they're the ones with the ball 90% of the time. A skill-based grading system can't really do much with that, IMO.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

This is a matchmaking thread dude.

Are you lost?

What time and resources would it take?

It would take about the same time and resources it took for them to add overal to matchmaking.

They change stuff under the hood constantly.

What do you think those go the main menu update msgs are about?



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Homie, you're talking about a team who can try to change a single coding line for something simple, and as a result will completely glitch out an entire playerbases MyPlayer characters and attributes. You REALLY think it's that 'simple' for them? >_> Wasn't it this year that they tried to change one minor thing, and all of a sudden people could no longer join their friends in The Neighborhood for WEEKS?


Yeah, they change stuff under the hood all the time, which is why the game is full of glitches and other goofy **** that works one day, and is completely busted the next.

But go ahead, I encourage them to make this ‘simple’ change. Just don’t get mad when somebody figures it out and you’re back at square one, making another topic like this for 2k21.

They couldn’t even figure out how to stop people from bypassing their system and linking up during the NBA 2K League Combine. You think people won’t get around that system, too?

[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

The clan will still be at an advantage. If they've known each other for a while and know how each other plays, they'll know how to adjust to the adjustment. You can continue to think that it's all foolproof, but it's not. If they lose, that's on them. But the advantage will always be in their hands.


Your example was a horrible one, Mr. 'Too Complicated.' IMO the 'skill based matchmaking' would be more difficult for a game like 2K. Too many factors. Going by Teammate Grade wouldn't work, and going by playstyle probably wouldn't work either. It's also why the fluctuating overall is a complete flop. Why, do you ask? Think about how many higher-tier teams play. The 'skill-based' system would really only be able to calculate the PG and C, because the other three players are nothing but cones on offense. It would only be able to judge them off of defense, but that gets complicated too because they aren't doing a whole lot because they're constantly in zone defense, so their defensive capability can't be calculated correctly either.

If both teams communicate then its the team with more skill that has the advantage.

The clan needed communication to reach that skill level.

The randoms where already at that level without communication.

So once the randoms start communicating they are at the advantage as their skill individually is higher.

Good thing you can go numerous ways with matchmaking.

Anything is better then just going by 93 up and 92 and under.

They could use what I suggested.

They could use what they have for play now using tiers.

They could use the ranks.

Could use team grade.
W/l.
Quit ration.
Avg stats.
Combine requirements as a start.

Could use a combination.

And so on.

Either way their are plenty of options when it comes to matchmaking and that is what this thread is about.

The current matchmaking is as vanilla as they come.

If you dont care you can move along as nobody will stop you.

If you want to continue if would be appreciated if you understand what matchmaking is and how it actually works.

People have been complaining about cod matchmaking for years and they finally came around and did something with it.




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[tru11]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Homie, you're talking about a team who can try to change a single coding line for something simple, and as a result will completely glitch out an entire playerbases MyPlayer characters and attributes. You REALLY think it's that 'simple' for them? >_> Wasn't it this year that they tried to change one minor thing, and all of a sudden people could no longer join their friends in The Neighborhood for WEEKS?


Yeah, they change stuff under the hood all the time, which is why the game is full of glitches and other goofy **** that works one day, and is completely busted the next.

But go ahead, I encourage them to make this ‘simple’ change. Just don’t get mad when somebody figures it out and you’re back at square one, making another topic like this for 2k21.

They couldn’t even figure out how to stop people from bypassing their system and linking up during the NBA 2K League Combine. You think people won’t get around that system, too?

People will always try to figure stuff out.

That should not stop them from trying to improve.

With that attitude they might as well stop making games as people will always try to find the glitches and cheese.

Those people are the problem that plaque this and other games

Seriously you should not let others stop you from improving yourself.
You wont get the most out of your life if you do.

You can call me whatever you want or find whatever you want about me , i will still argue that matchmaking needs improvement.



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