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  • Iasounis
    Pro
    • Oct 2012
    • 668

    #16
    Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

    Originally posted by Chemthethriller
    The thing I see the majority of the time is someone quitting in the 1st Q. That gets old real quick, bad teammates or not. You kill it for everyone else when you quit out, and leave the average or good teammate hanging with the rest. Games that require IQ will never have good matchmaking honestly. Take a "good player" in a system where there job is to iso and play 5 out, either their going to be demanding and people will be bothered by them or they probably won't do much.

    The only other system I can think of is a rating system after a game but if it's anything like most rating systems either people will get 1/5 or 5/5 because most people will just try and give someone the worst rating they can.

    If you go solely off win %, I don't just want to play with a corner shooter that doesn't understand how to play basketball at all but they play with a PG and C that carry them to 97% win when they do nothing at all on offense besides stand in the corner.
    Huh???

    If I'm down big early, my teammates are 'trash' (ball hogs who can't do anything to improve the situation), and I don't even have the opportunity to help (never passing), plus, I'm gonna take a loss anyway, damn right I'm not staying the 30mins to see it through.

    But you're gonna insinuate that I'VE ruined the game for others!??

    C'mon Bro....
    PSN: KarlMarx24

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    • Kleinevos
      Pro
      • Nov 2017
      • 599

      #17
      Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

      Honestly, take it like a man.
      If you quit in the lobby when you see you got trash teammates, that’s totally fine.

      If you load into the game and then quit for whatever reason, you’re just a dick and a ***** to boot.

      Imagine stepping of the court in your local gym in the first 2 minutes of a pickup game.
      You better never show your face again.


      Im someone who plays a lot with randoms and still maintain a positive record. Sure some games are hopeless and nothing you can do about it. Yet most of the times once the trash quits, there are things you can accomplish with the ai better than with the trash randoms.

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      • tru11
        MVP
        • Aug 2010
        • 1816

        #18
        Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

        find it intresting that quitters are using selfish teammates as an excuse to quit on a team , yet cant see that quitting is the definition of being selfish.
        something like the pot calling the kettle black...

        i miss the days when quitting on the team was frowned upon.

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        • tru11
          MVP
          • Aug 2010
          • 1816

          #19
          Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

          Originally posted by Kleinevos
          Honestly, take it like a man.
          If you quit in the lobby when you see you got trash teammates, that’s totally fine.

          If you load into the game and then quit for whatever reason, you’re just a dick and a ***** to boot.

          Imagine stepping of the court in your local gym in the first 2 minutes of a pickup game.
          You better never show your face again.


          Im someone who plays a lot with randoms and still maintain a positive record. Sure some games are hopeless and nothing you can do about it. Yet most of the times once the trash quits, there are things you can accomplish with the ai better than with the trash randoms.

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          • beastthesherg
            Rookie
            • Sep 2019
            • 65

            #20
            Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

            Originally posted by tru11
            find it intresting that quitters are using selfish teammates as an excuse to quit on a team , yet cant see that quitting is the definition of being selfish.
            something like the pot calling the kettle black...

            i miss the days when quitting on the team was frowned upon.

            This is a what i was thinking. Especially since they are probably already thinking negative and gonna be more inclined to give themselves a reason to feel justified to quit.

            The other thing i thought is i guess some people have never played real pick-up basketball where you play with randoms, against guys who brought their whole team, with 1 guy on the team that has no business being out there, with ballhogs, with guys who won’t play defense, with a really old guy, with a guy that plays for exercise and hustles every freakin second, against 4 6-foot+ black guys that can all dunk...from a standstill, with guys that talk trash and start fights, with guys that wear the same matching athletic gear everytime they play, with guys that travel everytime they touch the ball, with guys that wear jean shorts....

            ...butyouknow what you hardly ever see? Guys that quit after the game starts. Guys will sit out their next sometimes to match with betterteammates sure, but its rare people just quit in the middle of a game. Why? Because in real life, unlike the i internet, you have to face your actions. The problem with the internet is people do things they would never do in real life. Why? One more in depth reason is Because they can find somebody who agrees with them online.

            Fyi i have played 2k since Allen Iverson was on the cover on dreamcast. Know what my record is in the park?

            0-1 and thats where it will remain until they create a 3D simulator where i can actually physically play from my room virtually. Lol

            5 out is the dumbest, most awful thing ive ever seen. What a cancer it is. All these animations are not meant for 10 user controlled players, they are meant for 1 against 9 cpu players. I would say hopefully they come up with a better way, but with nba live dead andgone theres no competition incentivizing anything to chance.

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            • Yeah...THAT Guy
              Once in a Lifetime Memory
              • Dec 2006
              • 17294

              #21
              Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

              Originally posted by ItchyNscratchy
              All of this can be fixed by 1 simple thing.

              SBMM. Skill based matchmaking. This is pretty self explanatory. Heck even Call of Duty this year implemented this. Matchmaking should be based on what your Average teammate grade is and thats final. So have the bums play with bums and elites play with elites. This is such a simple way to fix all this crap. A person who averages a C grade should NOT play with someone who averages an A grade.
              This issue with this is that in the current system, everyone has roughly the same grade. I'll occasionally come across someone that's just starting out and has like a C but overall, almost every player I've ever seen in the Rec Center or Park (but I don't play Park all that often) is somewhere between a B and A- for their average grade (and really, it's almost all B+ or A-; a B is usually the signal to me that the guy is probably terrible.
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              • howardphillips214
                MVP
                • Jan 2018
                • 1928

                #22
                Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

                Yo, on the real, I've quit at least 30 games this year and am still 20 games over .500. We can usually get a full squad for a couple games at least every night. Everyone i play with has multiple characters and we're flexible. We can play zone if that's how they want to play, but i find it most enjoyable when we're just shooting the breeze during the game. The games we have to really concentrate on and end up losing by a single possession are very hard for me. I'm competitive to a fault. I like to win, but not at the expense of having fun. I usually play inside characters with good D. I don't reach often, and i don't typically play the passing lanes unless it's super obvious. I play hands up on the perimeter and if im down low, i try to time my contests.

                The problem with this game is there's no punishment for gambling on defense. The "good" teams will reach every time you cross half court. They will spam the passing lanes, and they spam block down low. How is it that you can sit I between the corner and the paint and still cover both? If there's a shooter in the corner you had better stay glued in real basketball. It's one of the hardest places on the court to guard because of you watch real ball, that guy will usually splash if you leave him, and if your back is turned you can get beat for an easy 2 with a back door.

                I don't care for running point anymore because it's just not realistic. Every pass has to be 1 pass away and even that's risky. If im at the top of the key and passing to the wing, that should be the easiest play in the world. But someone can lunge from the elbow into the passing lane, miss, and STILL recover on the shot.

                Passing the ball should be an asset, not a detriment. The space the floor, dribble god teams are the worst representation of basketball at any level. Go to your kids practices. They are taught "play defense with your feet,not your hands" "make the extra pass" "pass up a good shot for a great shot". These are what makes the game beautiful.

                Those warriors teams were dominant because of their talent, yes, but talent that sacrificed for each other. That's why KD wanted to go there in the first place.

                But this game is literally a SportsCenter Top 10. Its not the ugly, taking a charge and risking your health for the sake of the team.

                I remember when this series was known for its realism. Now it makes money off being what's popular. We're so far gone from the conversations about what percentages should an "open" shot should be. We've become desensitized to shooting 90 percent wide open its not even a topic worth discussing.

                All this said, i still find that team ball will get you a decent record. We're not the greatest team, but we have been playing together for years and will win a few games a night. We have fun. In whatever capacity we can.

                I just wish that playing the right way rewarded you MORE. Because we will run into those teams that are doing what's almost impossible to defend, and that's why they do it. We can beat them a fair share, but when you lose to a team like that it leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

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                • Iasounis
                  Pro
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 668

                  #23
                  Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

                  Originally posted by Kleinevos
                  Honestly, take it like a man.
                  If you quit in the lobby when you see you got trash teammates, that’s totally fine.

                  If you load into the game and then quit for whatever reason, you’re just a dick and a ***** to boot.

                  Imagine stepping of the court in your local gym in the first 2 minutes of a pickup game.
                  You better never show your face again.


                  Im someone who plays a lot with randoms and still maintain a positive record. Sure some games are hopeless and nothing you can do about it. Yet most of the times once the trash quits, there are things you can accomplish with the ai better than with the trash randoms.
                  While I somewhat agree, I think it's equally a 'jerk move' for people to play an cooperative online game and freeze someone out. Not wasting my time (and boosts) playing defense and running interference with greedy players to take a loss.
                  PSN: KarlMarx24

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                  • Kleinevos
                    Pro
                    • Nov 2017
                    • 599

                    #24
                    Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

                    Originally posted by Iasounis
                    While I somewhat agree, I think it's equally a 'jerk move' for people to play an cooperative online game and freeze someone out. Not wasting my time (and boosts) playing defense and running interference with greedy players to take a loss.


                    I don’t disagree but why stoop yourself to the same sad level by quitting?

                    I’ve had that happen to me. I just do my job on D and on offense sit on top of the key.

                    Good for defense badges, xp and rep. You’ll be getting teammate grade for floor spacing and stopping fastbreaks.

                    Sure it wont be fun. But atleast I’m still getting something out of the game while being the bigger man.

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                    • Iasounis
                      Pro
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 668

                      #25
                      Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

                      Originally posted by Kleinevos
                      I don’t disagree but why stoop yourself to the same sad level by quitting?

                      I’ve had that happen to me. I just do my job on D and on offense sit on top of the key.

                      Good for defense badges, xp and rep. You’ll be getting teammate grade for floor spacing and stopping fastbreaks.

                      Sure it wont be fun. But atleast I’m still getting something out of the game while being the bigger man.
                      I don't really look at it as stooping to their level. If people want to play REC, they have to accept the fact that they're not gonna know all of their teammates. With that, nobody has the right to decide that someone isn't permitted the opportunity to engage in the game. Now if some dude is playing for himself, go ahead and freeze him out. But, unless you have a good reason, everyone deserves a chance. Believe me, I'm no ball hog and understand if the flow doesn't present me chances, but if I'm gonna be frozen out, in an imminent loss, I have zero guilt of leaving to find another game. In fact, I may be doing them a favour by giving them a bot that they can pass to and call for the ball back whenever they want.

                      My opinion....
                      PSN: KarlMarx24

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                      • howardphillips214
                        MVP
                        • Jan 2018
                        • 1928

                        #26
                        Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

                        Originally posted by Kleinevos
                        I don’t disagree but why stoop yourself to the same sad level by quitting?

                        I’ve had that happen to me. I just do my job on D and on offense sit on top of the key.

                        Good for defense badges, xp and rep. You’ll be getting teammate grade for floor spacing and stopping fastbreaks.

                        Sure it wont be fun. But atleast I’m still getting something out of the game while being the bigger man.
                        Because i don't pay 60 dollars every year to watch someone go 1-12 in the first quarter while I'm standing underneath the basket wide open.

                        I've had plenty of 20 plus rebound games where i score 2 points.

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                        • howardphillips214
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2018
                          • 1928

                          #27
                          Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

                          There really should be a "missed open shooter" or "missed easy assist" when players take bad shots when you're under the basket. It should be on top of "take bad shot" so they lose twice the teammate grade. Just blew a team out by 30 with randoms but i had 3 shots to their 20+ a piece by each wing position. Then when we win I'm like "I'll see if they want to run again" but they quit the locker room instantly. It just let's you know people don't value good big men at all.

                          Regardless of what position I'm on at the wing with my squad, if i see the big running on the break by himself I'm throwing a lob, or taking the easy 2. I want to reward my bigs for doing the dirty work.

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                          • Erithtotl
                            Pro
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 679

                            #28
                            Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

                            Originally posted by Yeah...THAT Guy
                            This issue with this is that in the current system, everyone has roughly the same grade. I'll occasionally come across someone that's just starting out and has like a C but overall, almost every player I've ever seen in the Rec Center or Park (but I don't play Park all that often) is somewhere between a B and A- for their average grade (and really, it's almost all B+ or A-; a B is usually the signal to me that the guy is probably terrible.
                            I brought this up a while ago and everyone told me I was crazy, that they didn't like the old system where a couple of turnovers would drop their grade from an A- to a C+.

                            But this is so much worse. I've played with guys who go 2-19 with 8 turnovers but still finish with a C- grade because they threw a few bailout assists to the AI. In previous versions they'd have been kicked. Now someone can basically grief the whole game and not get kicked.

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                            • Iasounis
                              Pro
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 668

                              #29
                              Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

                              Originally posted by Erithtotl
                              I brought this up a while ago and everyone told me I was crazy, that they didn't like the old system where a couple of turnovers would drop their grade from an A- to a C+.

                              But this is so much worse. I've played with guys who go 2-19 with 8 turnovers but still finish with a C- grade because they threw a few bailout assists to the AI. In previous versions they'd have been kicked. Now someone can basically grief the whole game and not get kicked.
                              He ain't lying. I somehow managed a game where I was very average other than 8 turnovers (that's way too high), and still got an A+ grade.
                              PSN: KarlMarx24

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                              • Housh123
                                Banned
                                • Jan 2011
                                • 1173

                                #30
                                Re: The cynical irony of punishing people for quitting out of games

                                Originally posted by tru11
                                find it intresting that quitters are using selfish teammates as an excuse to quit on a team , yet cant see that quitting is the definition of being selfish.
                                something like the pot calling the kettle black...

                                i miss the days when quitting on the team was frowned upon.
                                I aint tryna hate or throw shade but this reads as someone with alot of time to play when they do play. On weekdays I probably get 1-3 hours in a session. I dont have time to sit and run 5 games where my team is down 20 points in the 1st because of trash teammates. I dont know how much you value your time but dont hate on others for valuing their time on the game

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