Twitter and YouTube killed 2K basketball

[howardphillips214]

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If From Software came out with a twiiter poll saying "is our game too hard?" They would have a revolt. No one would play their games. Their trademark is Difficulty. If 2k was renowned for realism still it would make a difference.

But all my mother knows (she's 60 plus) about 2k is their "slot machines" because of the news stories the last few years.

Reality is us OSers are the only ones who care or remember what 2k used to be.

Fact is... It just isn't the same company anymore.

[Optik]

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Nah. 2K basketball killed 2K basketball. You know what flies are attracted to...

[Optik]

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I’ve said this before but just to reiterate.........

You don’t play online and expect realistic sim basketball.......that is all 🤷🏻*♂️


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You don't play realistic sim basketball and expect it to be competitive.

[Optik]

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Even if the mechanics were fixed, the issue isn't the game, it's always the people.

I turned my back on online gaming in this community back in '16 and never looked back. Folk don't wan't to play basketball, they just want to play 'video games' - winning by any means possible to stroke their ego's and keep their names atop of virtual boards, with no regard for sim basketball whatsoever.

I prefer to play against people who try to win by any means possible. The thrill of a win against them is greater than the thrill of winning against the computer or even a simhead. The hurt of a loss against them than that against the CPU and especially against a simhead. With a simhead I'm like "Dah well, the game was over in the 3rd quarter but I still had to play a full 48 minutes, SMH".

I don't want to play against sim-style of play unless they need too. I have more fun playing sim and cheesing doesn't even enter my mind and beating a cheeser with sim is probably the greatest thrill you can get out of the game. The problem is there are not enough negative consequences to cheesing to make the cheeser be forced to play realistically. If I'm playing against someone who uses money plays, great, it forces me to think.

I want competition at the end of the day but its on 2K to make the cheeser play realistically, so that if I'm playing a cheeser, I'm sweeping them away by 20, not beating them by 1.

No it won’t. A.I. will never feel entirely like real humans. Humans will never stop looking for the path of least resistance. We can still hope that gaming companies improve A.I. and mitigate the cheese as best as they can.

This is what I most appreciate about humans when it comes to online gaming.

[Real2KInsider]

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I prefer to play against people who try to win by any means possible.

This is exactly how NBA players think. Everyone tries to "cheese" (break) the system. Winning teams IRL are the ones that find exploits.

Wilt & Shaq spammed the paint, forcing rules changes.
80s/90s teams spammed hand checking.
Mid-90s teams had a college 3pt line.
Guards spammed PNR once freedom of movement was established.
Curry/Lillard pull from 30.
LeBron is playing PG this year.
Giannis is a Point-Center.
Mike D'Antoni finished his 16th season as a head coach.
Literally everything James Harden.

The people who think "SimNation" applies to them largely wouldn't know basketball if one hit them in the head.

The problem is there are not enough negative consequences to cheesing to make the cheeser be forced to play realistically. If I'm playing against someone who uses money plays, great, it forces me to think.

There are simulation "elements" to this game but anyone who thinks it has ever been a pure simulation is lying to themselves and you. It's equivalent to thinking Call of Duty is a War-Sim. It's not remotely close, never has been, never will be.

Congrats on buying into a 2003 marketing buzz word. You played yourself.

[daveberg]

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I prefer to play against people who try to win by any means possible. The thrill of a win against them is greater than the thrill of winning against the computer or even a simhead. The hurt of a loss against them than that against the CPU and especially against a simhead. With a simhead I'm like "Dah well, the game was over in the 3rd quarter but I still had to play a full 48 minutes, SMH".

I don't want to play against sim-style of play unless they need too. I have more fun playing sim and cheesing doesn't even enter my mind and beating a cheeser with sim is probably the greatest thrill you can get out of the game. The problem is there are not enough negative consequences to cheesing to make the cheeser be forced to play realistically. If I'm playing against someone who uses money plays, great, it forces me to think.

I want competition at the end of the day but its on 2K to make the cheeser play realistically, so that if I'm playing a cheeser, I'm sweeping them away by 20, not beating them by 1.



This is what I most appreciate about humans when it comes to online gaming.

I prefer competition from people who can play legit, but that seldom ever happens, hence I'm offline exclusively now. I personally gain nothing but a headache from rolling my eyes at the ludicrous nature of most online players and their antics.

If you can sit through games with folk running around like headless chickens, exploiting stuff and cheesing and get enjoyment out of it - good for you man.

To me, that's not basketball, and I've no desire to play against anyone who rolls that way. Zero immersion, zero realism.

Guess it all depends on what you're looking for out of your experience.

[ForeverVersatile]

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I have no clue what they're doing with these rosters and attributes. Jokic isn't a power dunker, let alone a dunker at all. I played a play now online game earlier where Jokic was basically Shaq.




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[Real2KInsider]

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I have no clue what they're doing with these rosters and attributes. Jokic isn't a power dunker, let alone a dunker at all. I played a play now online game earlier where Jokic was basically Shaq.

Yeah his ratings are trash. You know who to talk to about that.

2K Roster:
86 Layup, 70 Driving Dunk, 85 Standing Dunk

My Roster:
95 Layup, 55 Driving Dunk, 60 Standing Dunk

He's basically Zach Randolph meets Magic Johnson.

[ForeverVersatile]

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This is exactly how NBA players think. Everyone tries to "cheese" (break) the system. Winning teams IRL are the ones that find exploits.

Wilt & Shaq spammed the paint, forcing rules changes.
80s/90s teams spammed hand checking.
Mid-90s teams had a college 3pt line.
Guards spammed PNR once freedom of movement was established.
Curry/Lillard pull from 30.
LeBron is playing PG this year.
Giannis is a Point-Center.
Mike D'Antoni finished his 16th season as a head coach.
Literally everything James Harden.

The people who think "SimNation" applies to them largely wouldn't know basketball if one hit them in the head.



There are simulation "elements" to this game but anyone who thinks it has ever been a pure simulation is lying to themselves and you. It's equivalent to thinking Call of Duty is a War-Sim. It's not remotely close, never has been, never will be.

Congrats on buying into a 2003 marketing buzz word. You played yourself.

This doesn't apply to video games where bad ai programming causes the issue. Bad defense is how teams in real life get exploited not the lack of movement and limitations of a programed ai.

Right now transition defense is broken and players are taking advantage of that. Ai defenders run back to a pre programmed spot and literally stop moving.

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[ForeverVersatile]

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Yeah his ratings are trash. You know who to talk to about that.

2K Roster:
86 Layup, 70 Driving Dunk, 85 Standing Dunk

My Roster:
95 Layup, 55 Driving Dunk, 60 Standing Dunk

He's basically Zach Randolph meets Magic Johnson.

That's exactly how he should play. They gave him a slim body and turned him into KD.

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[Goffs]

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That's exactly how he should play. They gave him a slim body and turned him into KD.

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Yeah his body model was good last year. I dunno why they changed him to slim this year.

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[Optik]

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Mike D'Antoni finished his 16th season as a head coach.

oh my days

[twebb5896]

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Realistic basketball is dead with 2K. That is all.

This game used to have a little bit of respect. Visual Concepts and 2K used to have a little bit of respect and integrity. I have zero respect for either anymore. We've been sold out. Every year it's the same bs with this game. It's become predictable. Take our money, then have open ears to the 12 yr olds on Twitter or YouTube crying about shooting, and then give them their pacifier so 2K doesn't get "bad PR".

The shooting hotfix killed this game.

Don't tell me this game is anywhere near realistic when I just literally witnessed about 30 contested/hand in face shots go in Rec. It's a joke at that point. Give someone a money jumpshot, wait a few weeks for their OP badges, and it's over. This is why NBA 2K League is a joke too. Same meta of bs basketball. None of these clowns even ball irl or even know real strategy. They're 2K heads not basketball heads.

When absolute bums can green shots no matter the defense, it's over. This game has had that problem for 4 years. Your community is twitter, period. If you are a sim player who has once ounce of understanding of real basketball, 2K couldn't care less about you. This forum is the last of Sim ball but it's on deaf ears. 2K literally is EA Live when they got cocky. Now I see why Scott O'Gallagher went back. He sees where this is headed. Hopefully the new NBA Live becomes the old 2K.

I can't believe people wager money over this trash.

Online shooting hasn’t been changed at all since launch? Am I missing something?

[BluFu]

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Companies can stop the cheese if they want.

2K can make contant dribbeling impact your shot.
On top of that they can nerf shootings 3 off the dribble.
Can also make it that you need hof badges and a +90 base 3pnt to have the possibility to even get a green release.

Could have kept the off the dribble and contested ratings.

Companies can stop the nonesense but its the nonesense that they target and advertise.

The whole 2K league is all about who is the better cheeser lol


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This...

I remember I used to get SO mad at cheesers when I first started playing online then it just hit me one night that this is how 2K intended their game to play lol. Like how is transition defense STILL a flaw with this game but in the mean time they've warped the engine, ratings system, and animations in order to help the offense. Their priorities are not with the sim crowd anymore.

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[TheFgGoatLikesHawks]

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Online shooting hasn’t been changed at all since launch? Am I missing something?

https://i.imgur.com/f0Uii7j.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGEckqVyuFc&feature=emb_title

I think Rec games are on all star so they'd be affected by the shooting hotfix. Pro am not sure.

Either way, I don't trust this company even 1% anymore as far as their intentions/integrity of at least trying to or appearing to represent real basketball and what they are trying to achieve. They even will tell you in 2KTV interviews with Mike Wang. "How do we make this game more Fun". Bro, you've been doing "Fun" for 4 years while you flipped off realism lmao.

First, let's define "Fun". Fun to 90% of the people you are pandering to (including so-called "comp" and "nba 2k league" crowd), think "Fun" is iso-gawd spamming turbo and cheese dribbles for 10 hrs behind a screen, getting a money jumper/build, and then scoring 30 or 40 while the PG takes 70% of the shots and 95% usage rate because that's all it takes. 90% of your people think basketball iq is a joke and they'll tell you if you message them - "This is 2K Bruhhhhh, iq don't matta bruhh. Ik I can't hit a layup if my life depended on it irl, but no one needs that, this is 2k bruhh". Guess what, you're right! This is 2K, and 2K is no longer trying to represent basketball. 2K has created their own alt-universe of "basketball" realism. And at that point, it's time to put the controller down and look for a new company that hasn't 100% sold out, or at least call them out on it. When literally 95% of what you do or don't do is dictated by pacifying Twitter, you've lost your way. When it's now up to the ignorant masses to tell YOU what basketball is, you've lost your way. Da Czar says "Don't play videogames, play basketball". Nah dude, everyone should "Play 2K if you want to win". Because they're playing you.. oooohh

2K Revenue: Off the Charts

2K Critical Praise: Low af. Look at the game ratings through the years. It's gotten progressively worse from users rating the game.