Twitter and YouTube killed 2K basketball

[tru11]

Re: Twitter and YouTube killed 2K basketball

They are patching fade away greens.

Do something about the "screen and green" and we would actually have some basketball.

Fade away greens?

What the hell they going to patch?


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[The 24th Letter]

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Fade away greens?

What the hell they going to patch?


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Don't know how Mike is going to fix it.

He just said it was coming in an upcoming patch.


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[Goffs]

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They are patching fade away greens.

Do something about the "screen and green" and we would actually have some basketball.

Yeah that hide behind the screen and spam behind the back speed dribble needs to be nerfed to oblivion. That cheap tactic been used since the park was introduced.

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[Real2KInsider]

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I question if you even play this game with a statement like this.

If there are two big men with Hall of Fame Brick Wall who box in a shooter on either side, you literally cannot get to the shooter as a defender because the animations in the game physically don't allow it even if you have HoF Pick Dodger.

And the shooter can shoot from behind the screener even though in this situation in real life they wouldn't be able to see the basket.

This plus being able to shoot 80 percent from 3 due to high ratings and badges breaks the game and makes doing literally anything else on offense pointless.

And what stopped the losing team from doing any of this?

Post some actual gameplay instead of pointing at a box score.

[jk31]

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Another evening of highly engaging, intelligent gameplay against people who are highly knowledgeable about basketball



this gen of 2K is a lost cause, if they don't do a MASSIVE revamp of the series in this next-gen version then I'm officially done, and that's something I've never said before.

Tons of better games out there that are more frequently balanced to get a competitive fix than this dreck

thats the thing with me. "Tons of better games out There" doesnt help me, as i am a Basketball fan and Not a "competitive game in General" Fan.

[jk31]

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This is an ironic stance, because they clearly had a cohesive gameplan. Two players on that team took no shots and dominated the glass. The shooters cooked.

If both teams were shooting the lights out, maybe there would be a point. Ya'll got bodied.

24/30 3pt should be possible, and it indicates a significant skill gap between these two teams.

for ****s Sake can we please stop talking about having unrealistically high shooting percentages as skill gap?! making better decisions, outsmarting an opponent, that is a skill gap. Not shooting 80% on 3s because of cheesing and arcade mechanic.

[Thrustie]

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And what stopped the losing team from doing any of this?

Post some actual gameplay instead of pointing at a box score.

Frankly some guys aren’t good enough to do it. Either with dribbling or, more likely, shooting. This is also Rec so it’s distinctly possible that one team wasn’t constructed to be able to abuse this mechanic. No one’s saying this guy shouldn’t hit more shots when he’s a better shooter. That the strategy itself is viable is the ridiculous part. I’ve been in games where both teams have the personnel to do this. It’s still terrible to play/watch.


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[leoribas3]

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Man, I legit NEVER thought I would be this guy, but, after 15 straight years of buying and playing NBA 2K I decided I wasnt going to buy 2k21, and from everything I've been seeing and reading about it, I actually feel like it was the right decision. This is so weird.

High hopes for next gen tho

[MrWrestling3]

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for ****s Sake can we please stop talking about having unrealistically high shooting percentages as skill gap?! making better decisions, outsmarting an opponent, that is a skill gap. Not shooting 80% on 3s because of cheesing and arcade mechanic.

I think this is more or less the point the other poster was getting at.... the meta on display was people abusing a broken game mechanic (HoF Brick Wall) while another player shoots 3's over and over....basically creating a 2K version of the old Madden "money play". While effective, that's not really good or engaging gameplay, it's just boring repeated abuse of one mechanic which probably needs to be rebalanced.

thats the thing with me. "Tons of better games out There" doesnt help me, as i am a Basketball fan and Not a "competitive game in General" Fan.

While I get what you're saying, I think the point is if 2K would actually stop for a minute to look at what other "competitive games" are doing as far as balancing and take some of their better ideas to heart, they might be able to make an even better product that could make even more money than it does now with less player complaints to boot.

[ILLSmak]

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I think this is more or less the point the other poster was getting at.... the meta on display was people abusing a broken game mechanic (HoF Brick Wall) while another player shoots 3's over and over....basically creating a 2K version of the old Madden "money play". While effective, that's not really good or engaging gameplay, it's just boring repeated abuse of one mechanic which probably needs to be rebalanced.




While I get what you're saying, I think the point is if 2K would actually stop for a minute to look at what other "competitive games" are doing as far as balancing and take some of their better ideas to heart, they might be able to make an even better product that could make even more money than it does now with less player complaints to boot.

2k is more or less fatally flawed when it comes to serious comp. That's why they don't have a popular tourney of vs. It's all my player. Best we could hope for is some better sliders.



And yea we are tru bball lovers. Other games can never compare to basketball. I just want to be able to punish people more and have outcomes less reliant on ratings. Or fix Ai and depth of other modes including my player and give us some offline food.



Thing is people just wanna trick out their avatar and be known in park. Dream 2 stream. They are involved in exploiting people living vicariously thru their myplayers way more than trying to foster a competitive environment. I dunno if they're gonna change their model. Its working enough.



-Smak

[MrWrestling3]

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2k is more or less fatally flawed when it comes to serious comp. That's why they don't have a popular tourney of vs. It's all my player. Best we could hope for is some better sliders.



And yea we are tru bball lovers. Other games can never compare to basketball. I just want to be able to punish people more and have outcomes less reliant on ratings. Or fix Ai and depth of other modes including my player and give us some offline food.



Thing is people just wanna trick out their avatar and be known in park. Dream 2 stream. They are involved in exploiting people living vicariously thru their myplayers way more than trying to foster a competitive environment. I dunno if they're gonna change their model. Its working enough.



-Smak

I think you answered your own question...as long as there are many players willing to throw money at 2K they way they do now, their model isn't going to change.

It would be interesting to see PNO tourneys though, with some sort of rules to prevent participants from picking the same 2-4 teams over and over.I think if it was set up right so that players would have to deal with fatigue,minutes management,etc. plus the great majority of personnel on the rosters not being the kind of GOAT level players you see in the Park, it would probably be a more skill based(in terms of skill at basketball vs skill at video games) competitive environment than what there is now.

[ILLSmak]

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I think you answered your own question...as long as there are many players willing to throw money at 2K they way they do now, their model isn't going to change.

It would be interesting to see PNO tourneys though, with some sort of rules to prevent participants from picking the same 2-4 teams over and over.I think if it was set up right so that players would have to deal with fatigue,minutes management,etc. plus the great majority of personnel on the rosters not being the kind of GOAT level players you see in the Park, it would probably be a more skill based(in terms of skill at basketball vs skill at video games) competitive environment than what there is now.

Yeah, I'm sure a lot of dudes think I talk out of my A, but I do say some wild stuff. Sometimes, I revisit it and it's like, I think I was wrong. I don't think 2k is fatally flawed in terms of vs at all. I think it would be super interesting, beyond 2k leeg interesting, to see people play versus.



I think it's the myplayer model that is the fatal flaw, because people wanna be too good and it's so hard to balance pvp in a game like this.



All of versus is like pvp in smaller spaces while manipulating bots with tactics. It's super deep and super interesting. I bet the guy who is number one at versus is legit 'better' at 2k than anyone in NBA 2k league.



-Smak

[howardphillips214]

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In any game, competitive board game, video game, real life competition or otherwise... If someone keeps doing the EXACT same thing over and over and over and there's NOTHING you can do about it... Thats not fair. Thats why there are rule changes in the NBA. That's why EVERY other online game has balancing patches. But for SOME reason it's become acceptable in 2k.

Madden, CoD, Overwatch... They all ATTEMPT to balance their game.

2k on the other hand has had this problem since 2k15!

Enough is enough!

[ForeverVersatile]

Re: Twitter and YouTube killed 2K basketball

In any game, competitive board game, video game, real life competition or otherwise... If someone keeps doing the EXACT same thing over and over and over and there's NOTHING you can do about it... Thats not fair. Thats why there are rule changes in the NBA. That's why EVERY other online game has balancing patches. But for SOME reason it's become acceptable in 2k.

Madden, CoD, Overwatch... They all ATTEMPT to balance their game.

2k on the other hand has had this problem since 2k15!



Enough is enough!

Mike Wang needs to be replaced or step down. The game isn't getting better under his leadership and gets worse each year.

This is by far the worst year for exploits. Zone, steal spamming, long passes, cherry picking, Sprinting up the floor, Alley Oops, Terrible shooting mechanics etc..

Even though the above are aspects of basketball they aren't balanced and are overpowered in some way.

MyPlayers mode has gotten everyone used to playing away from the ball and that transfers to online modes. Everyone plays off ball defense swiping for steals and cherry picking.


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[Real2KInsider]

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for ****s Sake can we please stop talking about having unrealistically high shooting percentages as skill gap?! making better decisions, outsmarting an opponent, that is a skill gap. Not shooting 80% on 3s because of cheesing and arcade mechanic.

When I say skill gap, I'm not talking about jump shot timing. Shot selection is the biggest skill gap in the game, and always has been.

One of these teams had demonstrably better shot selection than the other.