Twitter and YouTube killed 2K basketball

[Goffs]

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Give me two dedicated online courts that doesn't use badges. Give me that 2k you bunch of cowards.

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[Thrustie]

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Totally agree. While offline isn't perfect you can tailor it to play more realistic. And more importantly, you can effect how real or arcade the experience is.

In 2K for instance, I know I can run past the CPU in transition with John Wall if I take the right angle. I know plays in Madden that for whatever reason the CPU goes brain dead. It be great if that wasnt the case, but it is. I can however not exploit the game to the point the experience is ruined.

Online there is always a meta, it's that way in every single online game. 2K, Madden, COD, you name it and there is a meta. It's the nature of online gaming. It's why I only play sports games online with my brother and a few friends. I saw it mentioned somewhere before but maybe 2K needs lobbies tuned to specific gameplay experiences for online.

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Anyone can choose not to exploit. Online players can choose not to abuse poor CPU transition defense just like offline players can. That doesn’t inherently make the experience more realistic.

Honestly the whole “Want realism? Don’t play online!” anytime an online player asks for more realism or better balancing is tired. What if online players came into every thread about CPU close outs on jumpshots or poor AI switching logic or any number of things and said “Don’t want bad A.I.? Don’t play offline!” It’s not helpful. Everyone just wants to see their preferred mode of play be more fun, balanced and hopefully realistic.


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[AstrosAllDay85]

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Anyone can choose not to exploit. Online players can choose not to abuse poor CPU transition defense just like offline players can. That doesn’t inherently make the experience more realistic.

Honestly the whole “Want realism? Don’t play online!” anytime an online player asks for more realism or better balancing is tired. What if online players came into every thread about CPU close outs on jumpshots or poor AI switching logic or any number of things and said “Don’t want bad A.I.? Don’t play offline!” It’s not helpful. Everyone just wants to see their preferred mode of play be more fun, balanced and hopefully realistic.


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I’ll take my chances with a customizable cpu AI over teenagers and cheesers online everyday of the week when looking for realism.....nothing will ever be perfect....... ever........


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[Thrustie]

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I’ll take my chances with a customizable cpu AI over teenagers and cheesers online everyday of the week when looking for realism.....nothing will ever be perfect....... ever........


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No it won’t. A.I. will never feel entirely like real humans. Humans will never stop looking for the path of least resistance. We can still hope that gaming companies improve A.I. and mitigate the cheese as best as they can.


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[Thrustie]

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Is from my experience. A fully edited roster from top to bottom plays better than 95% of the online cheeser heads I've ever encountered. Plays better than some so called 'sim' guys I've seen, too.

For me, 'Sim' ball is only as good as the person you're playing. I can play as close to real life as possible, but if my opponent is running around in circles, doing constant 'and 1' dribbles or pump faking 500 times to get a bite, then the immersion dies immediately.

Being offline, I have more of an element of control of how the game plays. Is it perfect? Hell no, but at least when I edit say, a T-mac, I can get him playing like T-mac as opposed to everyone online thinking they're the Professor mixed with Steph Curry no matter who they're using.

I salute you online guys for dealing with that stuff. I'll never go back to that world again.

I don’t deny that on average you might get a closer semblance of a real basketball game when playing again the computer than you would against humans. But you’re still going to see players inexplicably standing under the basket when they should be covering JJ Redick in the corner. Or the CPU doubling Lebron to leave AD wide open. Or Mason Plumlee camping out in the corner while his defender lets someone drive unimpeded to the hoop. Maybe that’s better than playing a guy turboing into the paint endlessly with Giannis but I would argue it’s inferior to when you actually get a solid game of hoops against a human or multiple ones.


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[ILLSmak]

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No it won’t. A.I. will never feel entirely like real humans. Humans will never stop looking for the path of least resistance. We can still hope that gaming companies improve A.I. and mitigate the cheese as best as they can.


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I think "sim" is actually a kind of trance people enter into, believing the game is real. 2k is actually a semi-hardcore game vs HoF computer. I think it's more to do with the immersion of playing with jerks than it is to do with realism. I can mess w/ the cpu; it can be fun. It doesn't always feel like the same thing, and HoF goes super hard.



I prefer to play online, but if you wanna gimme a shot of a whole roll of randoms or a 12 min hof game, sometimes I'd pick the hof game. haha. It's actually pretty deep for AI, and yea the cpu does some garbage, but a lot of it is designed to mitigate bs.



IN THE SAME WAY, when you play 2k offline vs HoF, you have to know how to be like ???? He made that... wow. Ok. Same with online. You just have to deal with people playing like trash and/or making crazy shots. PC has been people making shots from day 1 and there isn't a patch yet. I don't know if it's hax or what.


Just immerse yourself and go in. Learn how to succeed with 'real basketball' vs cheese and when you get cheesed by the super cheesers you can just shake your head and realize many of them are trash at the game.


-Smak

[tru11]

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Companies can stop the cheese if they want.

2K can make contant dribbeling impact your shot.
On top of that they can nerf shootings 3 off the dribble.
Can also make it that you need hof badges and a +90 base 3pnt to have the possibility to even get a green release.

Could have kept the off the dribble and contested ratings.

Companies can stop the nonesense but its the nonesense that they target and advertise.

The whole 2K league is all about who is the better cheeser lol


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[loso_34]

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Haha it’s true every time I catch a 2k league stream the players are all over weight.

Gotta disagree tho some of the more popular youtubers were practically begging mike to not hot fix/patch shooting. They finally got their “skills gap” and didn’t want any ol bum greening every 3. As the weeks gone on I feel it’s back to 2k20 shooting.

It’s the 5 out crowd that’s been whining as the non shooters are no longer auto in the corner.

[loso_34]

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Companies can stop the cheese if they want.

2K can make contant dribbeling impact your shot.
On top of that they can nerf shootings 3 off the dribble.
Can also make it that you need hof badges and a +90 base 3pnt to have the possibility to even get a green release.

Could have kept the off the dribble and contested ratings.

Companies can stop the nonesense but its the nonesense that they target and advertise.

The whole 2K league is all about who is the better cheeser lol


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I’ve been seeing too many guards sprint from one corner to the opposite hash without any stamina being drained then greening a fading 3. That stuff is a joke.

[daveberg]

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I don’t deny that on average you might get a closer semblance of a real basketball game when playing again the computer than you would against humans. But you’re still going to see players inexplicably standing under the basket when they should be covering JJ Redick in the corner. Or the CPU doubling Lebron to leave AD wide open. Or Mason Plumlee camping out in the corner while his defender lets someone drive unimpeded to the hoop. Maybe that’s better than playing a guy turboing into the paint endlessly with Giannis but I would argue it’s inferior to when you actually get a solid game of hoops against a human or multiple ones.


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I agree to an extent.

Though you said it yourself. 'When you get a solid game of hoops against a human' That's the key. It's Russian Roulette out there.

Again, I can only talk from my own experiences, but I hardly ever found myself playing decent opponents. It may be different for some of you, of course, depending on the circles you keep.

In a lot of eyes, why would folk choose not to exploit or cheese when doing so gets them an easy win? Most folk who play online aren't looking for realism, they just want the 'W' any way they can get it. You can't tailor the experience to be more realistic because you're at the sole mercy of hoping your opponent is going to have a semblance of basketball knowledge or a modicum of sportsmanship - you rarely see either online.

Different strokes for different folks though. There's arguments to be had in favour of both modes of play.

[m29a]

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People are saying that offline is *more* sim, not that it's perfect. And I'd agree, the AI has advanced a lot especially since Da_Czar started working on the series. They run plays and use freelance sets which is the opposite of what most of the online community will do which is spread the floor and spam pick n roll almost every single time. Add in the percentages too and the mere fact that you have some people who can shoot lights out with timing or aiming automatically makes it far less realistic.

Offline 2K isn't very real, but... I'll take it compared to going against a cheeser who is doing the same thing every time, knows how to abuse the mechanics of the game, and doesn't switch their playstyle up or run sets/series like real teams do with somewhat realistic percentages on shots.

Playing online is probably more dynamic and less boring because in a way it's chaotic, but not everyone wants that or finds it enjoyable.

[jmarcguy]

Twitter and YouTube killed 2K basketball

I’ve shared this story a zillion times but it sums up my feelings about online. Only games I consistently plagued online were the ones from the Fight Night series. I’d been a huge boxing fan growing up and played ever game that popped up. When I played online and got an opponent who approached the game with a semblance of realism, I had fun. Even when I lost I had fun. More often than not I ran into giant boxers with the longest reach possible. They’d beat me in the ways that had nothing to do with boxing. One night I said to a guy “good fight but man that didn’t resemble real boxing.” Guy said “hey man you want realistic, go to a gym & get hit in the head. I want to have fun.” I respected his thoughts on the game. Totally valid opinion.

Online is fun if you find someone who has a similar approach to the game as you have. It’s a pretty random experience though. I’d rather stick to offline for the most part. Plus, I got into video games because I like being alone. This whole online thing is too weird for me lol.


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[howardphillips214]

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Out the box 2k has been the best the past few years.

As much as you guys blame twitter and Yt tho, you guys could have used Twitter and YT to explain your opinions. These kids have the same platform you do.

The fact of the matter tho is that we're just the minority here. Even OS membership has declined over the years.

I didn't buy 2k21, i just been reading these threads. I knew it wasnt going to change.

Hopefully PS5 is a different game. But i doubt it.

[franzis]

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Out the box 2k has been the best the past few years.

As much as you guys blame twitter and Yt tho, you guys could have used Twitter and YT to explain your opinions. These kids have the same platform you do.

The fact of the matter tho is that we're just the minority here. Even OS membership has declined over the years.

I didn't buy 2k21, i just been reading these threads. I knew it wasnt going to change.

Hopefully PS5 is a different game. But i doubt it.

By biggest concern is that, if 2k foundation and gameplay has been say 70% casual and 30% sim in the last years, it will be 85-90% and 15-10% on next gen.

[MrWrestling3]

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Out the box 2k has been the best the past few years.

As much as you guys blame twitter and Yt tho, you guys could have used Twitter and YT to explain your opinions. These kids have the same platform you do.

The fact of the matter tho is that we're just the minority here. Even OS membership has declined over the years.

I didn't buy 2k21, i just been reading these threads. I knew it wasnt going to change.

Hopefully PS5 is a different game. But i doubt it.

That's more or less what I have been saying for a while.Since EA went downhill and the online component of 2K solidified itself as a revenue earner, 2K itself has moved on from competing for the basketball market to competing for the gaming market in general.This means going for the demographic which also favors games such as CoD,Fortnite,Overwatch,etc.

Most of these players could care less if the Knicks jerseys are just the right shade of blue, the TD garden looks super authentic,or if the game is an accurate representation of the sport;they basically just want instant and easy gratification(i.e. Hop in, make some highlight plays,and rack up W's on Park or Rec).

Remember a few years ago when player numbers dropped so badly that 2K sent out surveys basically asking why you don't play 2K anymore?Well, the majority of those people didn't leave to play older 2K's,Live,NCAA Baketball or any other basketball game...they left to play Fortnite,which at that time was blowing up.

Whether we like it or not, the hard truth we have to come to terms with is that until either the MyPlayer revenue stream dries up or an alternative product emerges that forces 2K to re-think their design philosophy to stay relevant, the game is always going to remain similar to how it is currently.