Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

[strosdood]

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Did the Mavericks also score 25 in the first half? LOL.

2K also ain't real life. This wasn't a fluke "one in a thousand" outlier.

2K Game #1 is not substantially different from Game #10 or Game #100.

Those results would be replicated w/ significantly greater frequency than literally the worst performances in NBA History. And that's obviously not functional from a gameplay standpoint.

If the roster doesn't function on default sliders, it's likely "breaking" other aspects in order to "fix" one thing (which should not be confused with a solution).

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Just last night Detroit shot 33% for an entire NBA game.......and Charlotte did the same thing the day before........and what do u mean 2K ain’t real life? Literally the whole purpose of the roster is to mimic real life as closely as possible lol

I also checked 8-10 games with the ATD roster default sliders and shooting percentages were never below what Detroit shot last night lol teams are averaging 40-45% from the field





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[strosdood]

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[Vyaras]

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It's wishful thinking, but I don't see them making any radical changes to this year's game. I'm convinced that this is the direction that higher ups (not the developers) want the series to go in. They've been doing it for a while now, but it's getting worse and worse. Hate using the term "casual", but that's who their gearing the game towards. The Madden, Call of Duty, Fortnite etc. type audience. Nothing necessarily wrong with doing that, but you don't dumb down or mutilate your established product in the process.

I've taken the approach of not buying the games anymore until they get their **** straight. I would suggest others to do the same thing. Not buying their games is the only way they're going to change the direction they're taking the series. There is a large group of the audience that are going to buy the game every year regardless of the feedback and they know that, so they milk it.

[ChaseB]

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The AI wasn't good at double teaming even when they did it. It wasn't tactical, they would literally just come up and double you at halfcourt and then it would lead to easy buckets over and over. I understand the beef with no doubles etc., it's a fault that goes beyond whether or not they simply double or not.

[Walt Frazier]

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Switching teams and putting coach setting on star players D to ‘take the ball out of their hands’ beings tons of doubles in the paint. It stops all the easy driving. I tried it last night with LG’s roster and it has made a big difference.

Switching sides is not ideal as you lose all achievements etc...but it works well.

[Walt Frazier]

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The AI wasn't good at double teaming even when they did it. It wasn't tactical, they would literally just come up and double you at halfcourt and then it would lead to easy buckets over and over. I understand the beef with no doubles etc., it's a fault that goes beyond whether or not they simply double or not.

There has to be doubles though, as you know.

If you want to use Embiid and back down, you can literally back all the way down and lay it up against most CPU teams all game.

[CujoMatty]

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are those user vs AI games?

[Real2KInsider]

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Just last night Detroit shot 33% for an entire NBA game.......

My guy. 33% is literally double 15%. You need to grasp how substantially different these numbers are.

Additionally, BOTH teams were not at 33% in this game you're posting as "evidence".
As was stated (and you really need to understand this part), defense creates easier opportunities for the offense. Find a game where BOTH teams shot that poorly. They don't exist, not at the NBA level. You'd have to go back to the 1960s.

what do u mean 2K ain’t real life?

2K AI & gameplay isn't high variance, not relative to the real NBA. This should be obvious but maybe isn't? I am not suggesting EVERY game will have shooting percentages that low, but something clearly went wrong.

I wish I could remember exactly what teams were used to see if it could be replicated. It is also possible that the roster was not a finished product two months ago (that also would have been pre-offseason).

Literally the whole purpose of the roster is to mimic real life as closely as possible lol

"As possible" being the key here.


And just to reiterate, because nitpicking numbers from a sim doesn't detract from the rest:

Disclaimer: I prefer to avoid discussing other people's work, and this shouldn't be read as any sort of attack. My focus is more on what that work (and others like it) is accomplishing and how it applies here.

Unfortunately, these changes don't translate seamlessly to other modes, and would not sit well with the average 2K player. It's one thing when you're running a MyLeague season at home. MyCareer is a different animal. The AI likewise has to take over for a user that drops from an Online game. Do those setups work when it's user vs user? There are a lot of factors.

Kudos for creating a different game experience, a game within the game, so to speak. That shouldn't be confused with "fixing" the game in a way that's universally applicable.

[NYJin2011tm]

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How in the world did you get scores that high? My scores are like 95-100 tops. It’s weird.

[CujoMatty]

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How in the world did you get scores that high? My scores are like 95-100 tops. It’s weird.

The free throw attempts are blowing my mind lol

[Real2KInsider]

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Currently running a CPU sim w/ the ATD roster. Picked random teams. Difficulty is All-Star, default sliders for that setting.

It should be noted the Nets are without Kevin Durant (This is also using an old rotation as DeAndre Jordan & Joe Harris are starting, but whatever).

This box after one quarter is ideally what stats should look like when a team is struggling. The Spurs are missing shots, which is leading to easier shots for the Nets.

The Spurs have some red flags, in that DeRozan has 14 of their 22 points (6-7 FG, 2-2 FT), while the PGs (Murray & Mills) are a combined 0-9 FG (0-4 3PT).

I'm going to finish the game to get a complete sample.

[strosdood]

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How in the world did you get scores that high? My scores are like 95-100 tops. It’s weird.

The free throw attempts are blowing my mind lol

Lol these were cpu vs cpu simmed games


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[Real2KInsider]

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2nd Quarter

Things are starting to snowball a bit. The game itself is "aesthetically pleasing" to look at, but I wouldn't call the gameplay itself an upgrade.

The Spurs are getting rolled, but the manner in which it's happening isn't exactly what I would call basketball related. It's all reflecting in the stat sheet:

DeMar DeRozan: 23 points, 10-14 FG

Lonnie Walker: 8 points, 3-10 FG (two late fastbreaks to salvage his line)
Dejounte Murray: 2 points, 1-8 FG
Patty Mills: 0 points, 0-7 FG
Rudy Gay: 2 points, 1-5 FG
LaMarcus Aldridge: 0 points, 0-4 FG
Devin Vassell: 0 points, 0-2 FG
Keldon Johnson: 0 points, 0-0 FG
Jakob Poeltl: 0 points, 0-0 FG

The Spurs aren't functioning at all in the half-court. Most of their shots are contested runners, contested mid-range, contested postups. The Nets are moving the ball and getting good looks but the Spurs are just meandering around.

Maybe this functions better w/ the slider set? I don't know, but this is a big flag to me so far. That the Spurs only have two ORBs to 34 DRBs for the Nets is a bit sketch. Their overall shot quality in this game is CONSIDERABLY worse.

There was one play where DeRozan got doubled on a post-up, which left Murray completely wide-open from three. He got the ball back and effectively waited 3 seconds for the defender to recover.

(I am recording each quarter from this game & can upload if that would be useful data)

[Real2KInsider]

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Third Quarter.

The Spurs once again shot 30%. They trail by 42. LOL where's the guy who brought up losing by 50 bc it's literally about to happen on the first try.

Posted the shot chart this time. The Spurs are continually taking contested jumpers throughout this game.

Making shot selection worse is NOT the same as improving the defense. All it's doing is presenting the illusion of defense being played.

DeRozan: 23 pts, 10-17 FG (he has 1 assist)
Walker: 11 pts, 4-12 FG
Murray: 4 pts, 1-11 FG
Mills: 2 pts, 1-10 FG (PGs are a combined 2-21 FG)
Gay: 9 pts, 4-9 FG
Aldridge: 0 pts, 0-6 FG
Vassell: 4 pts, 1-4 FG
Johnson: 2 pts, 0-2 FG
Poeltl: 2 pts, 1-2 FG
Lyles: 2 pts, 1-1 FG

[BaselineBakes]

Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

I’ve found myself having a really solid time with this game by removing myself from trying to achieve sim stats and instead just focusing on creating a competent cpu opponent that keeps me honest without having to invoke house rules on myself.

Obviously none of these “fixes” work outside of a myleague but here’s some things I did to make the offline experience better.

To get away from “god mode”, player lock. I nerfed my player locked guys speed, acceleration and badges to take away the ease of destroying the paint while on offense.

On the defensive side, if you change the defensive settings to switch all, pre rotate, etc. your team will play some solid active defense.

This will close off the paint for the CPU , in turn you’ll have to buff CPU three and mid rating and tendency so that they’re more in line with an nba offense.

Want more foul calls? Increase the blocking slider, it will make the cpu and your teammates more aggressive on block attempts.

I’ve seen double teams but they’re super infrequent, there’s really nothing I can do to get the cpu to double me.

These are just some of the fixes I’ve found to make my game play better. There’s a solid game in there, it just takes some tinkering. I won’t argue if that should be left up to us or not to have to find and fix, but it is what it is.


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