Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

I cant at all figure out your objective?

I want to dissect the nuts and bolts in a meaningful way. What is that "thing" that improves the defense? Is it transferrable to the rest of the game?

Specificity.

I went out of my way to present specific examples to convey what I was talking about.

I understand that's not an easy ask. Which is why one user wanted to present a red herring and question my character/credibility - that's a lot easier than critical thinking (and does absolutely nothing to divulge an answer).

Am I expecting too much?

[CujoMatty]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

Specificity.

I went out of my way to present specific examples to convey what I was talking about.

I understand that's not an easy ask. Which is why one user wanted to present a red herring and question my character/credibility - that's a lot easier than critical thinking (and does absolutely nothing to divulge an answer).

Am I expecting too much?

I also dont see the need to question your character/credibility so that was unfortunate.

I wouldn't necessarily say you are expecting too much I just dont see it necessary.

2k developers know what is going on. No chance they don't. You've even touched on how it's not just an easy fix so I'm not sure what you proving everyone wrong who thinks the game play better with any roster is accomplishing?

It seems like your mind is made up that rosters cant do anything to fix or even improve the game and you are hell bent on making sure that's known.

Theres a place for that but I dont see why it's not easier to let people be happy if they are experiencing better gameplay no matter the reason.

[strosdood]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

Specificity.

I went out of my way to present specific examples to convey what I was talking about.

I understand that's not an easy ask. Which is why one user wanted to present a red herring and question my character/credibility - that's a lot easier than critical thinking (and does absolutely nothing to divulge an answer).

Am I expecting too much?

I never questioned your character or credibility (I don’t know u) I questioned your motives and the fact that u are coming off very supercilious to anyone reading your posts in a thread that didn’t even require your initial response to begin with.......


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[Real2KInsider]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

I never questioned your character or credibility

This you?

Kinda suspicious a guy that has a persona and YouTube channel as a roster maker, comes in a thread to criticize the most popular and basically the only 2K roster with sim gamers on the site........ then acts as if he knows more about basketball and what’s happening on the floor than anyone else that questions his biased rhetoric 🤷🏻*♂️ oh and stats don’t matter as he proceeds to list post after post of stats he dislikes..........

I questioned your motives

Which are part of a person's character...

in a thread that didn’t even require your initial response to begin with.......

Nor did it require any of whatever it is you've contributed.

[haloofduty]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

Specificity.

I went out of my way to present specific examples to convey what I was talking about.

I understand that's not an easy ask. Which is why one user wanted to present a red herring and question my character/credibility - that's a lot easier than critical thinking (and does absolutely nothing to divulge an answer).

Am I expecting too much?

Rashidi from the old 2k forum. Nice to see you haven't changed lol

[keshunleon]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

Want realistic gameplay use custom rosters, don't use 2K's rosters.

I've been using and making custom rosters since we were able too.

2K has improved greatly but haven't used their roster in over a decade.

I enjoy Insider's objectivity, keep it up until they give us what they promise.

[Bexthelegend]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

Currently running a CPU sim w/ the ATD roster. Picked random teams. Difficulty is All-Star, default sliders for that setting.

It should be noted the Nets are without Kevin Durant (This is also using an old rotation as DeAndre Jordan & Joe Harris are starting, but whatever).

This box after one quarter is ideally what stats should look like when a team is struggling. The Spurs are missing shots, which is leading to easier shots for the Nets.

The Spurs have some red flags, in that DeRozan has 14 of their 22 points (6-7 FG, 2-2 FT), while the PGs (Murray & Mills) are a combined 0-9 FG (0-4 3PT).

I'm going to finish the game to get a complete sample.

I've read a lot of your post in this thread, but this just seems like a bad method. Creating a great experience in offline 2k involves 2 aspects, the rosters and the sliders. I think it would have been a much better case, if you had posted scores generated with the rosters intended slider set. The Atd team never intended for their roster to be used on default sliders, or they would have drasticlly altered the roster, to fit the default sliders.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

I've read a lot of your post in this thread, but this just seems like a bad method. Creating a great experience in offline 2k involves 2 aspects, the rosters and the sliders. I think it would have been a much better case, if you had posted scores generated with the rosters intended slider set. The Atd team never intended for their roster to be used on default sliders, or they would have drastically altered the roster, to fit the default sliders.

I am not here to gameplay test anyone's roster ad nausea. From what you and others are saying, it would seem the SLIDERS are the key here, not the Roster. I would even theorize that most other rosters would function similarly with the slider set.

If that's the case, WHAT are the sliders changing that makes the game play better? Is any of that transferrable to the core gameplay?

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

I am willing to take the roster stuff a step further. I am going to record all the Spurs ratings/tendencies in the 2K default roster, and then notate any ATD roster differences.

I'll post that work when I'm done. I'm willing to sidetrack my own work because I'm genuinely curious.

The quest for the holy grail. Does it exist? Or are people looking in the wrong place? We'll find out later tonight.


Edit: Harden trade throwing wrench into that timeline

[lemarflacco]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

I am willing to take the roster stuff a step further. I am going to record all the Spurs ratings/tendencies in the 2K default roster, and then notate any ATD roster differences.

I'll post that work when I'm done. I'm willing to sidetrack my own work because I'm genuinely curious.

The quest for the holy grail. Does it exist? Or are people looking in the wrong place? We'll find out later tonight.


Edit: Harden trade throwing wrench into that timeline

You the sliders and roster are a marriage. I downloaded the ATD "scenario" which included the roster and sliders all in one.

And you did mention the overabundance of bad 2's. There is a slider for mid range shot tendency that you can lower.

Not saying the ATD roster is cure all but for me , personally, it def was a good start.

But hopefully, 2k just fixed defense in some form.

[EccentricMeat]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

Set Help Defense to 100 in the Coach Sliders for all teams. Then set Contest Shots tendency to 100 and Help Defense Strength to 100. Now you'll have decent rotations on defense.

Next, set Body Up Sensitivity to 100 and Drive/Inside Contact Shot Frequency both to 100 as well. This will make it so the game triggers animations when a defender is nearby.

After that, set Layup Defense Strength (Gather) to 100 while setting the (Release) slider to 80+. This will make defenders prioritize defending the basket while triggering better animations and drawing more fouls. (Note: With these changes you will need to increase your Shot Success sliders or else every shot near the rim will be a miss. Inside/Close/Layup/Contact Shot Success all will have to be increased by 10-20. Also, the Defense Strength sliders affect the "opposite" team, so if you increase CPU Defense Strength sliders the USER defense will play better, and vice versa.)

Finally, and most importantly, increase Speed/Acceleration without Ball (Min) both to 55. This will make slow players move realistically instead of in slow motion, so bigs can actually protect the paint and play help defense.

Of course you can also increase things like Defensive Awareness, On Ball Defense, Lateral Quickness, Hands, Blocks, Play Passing Lanes, etc. to make the defense play even better. But these changes should vastly improve the overall team defense for the CPU.

[NYJin2011tm]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

Ok it’s been weird for me. If I raise The D sliders(layup and jumpshot) (without moving shooting sliders) shooting pct go up. If I lower the D sliders shooting pct goes down. It’s like it’s backwards from what it should be and what it used to be.

[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

Im tired of hearing about sliders, a good portion of the installed base of this game play online. If you exclusively play against bots and can tune everything to your liking then you should be having a separate convo.

Exactly. Offline guys can tune the AI to play however they like but online guys are stuck with whatever crap they put out the box. Sliders are a band-aid fix for a bigger problem.

[EccentricMeat]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

Ok it’s been weird for me. If I raise The D sliders(layup and jumpshot) (without moving shooting sliders) shooting pct go up. If I lower the D sliders shooting pct goes down. It’s like it’s backwards from what it should be and what it used to be.

Are you on next gen? Because thats definitely not how it works. Are you changing the USER or CPU settings, or both? Remember that these settings affect the other team’s defense, so increasing USER defense strength sliders actually improves the CPU defense.

[Bexthelegend]

Re: Radical solutions for the completely broken next gen D...

I am not here to gameplay test anyone's roster ad nausea. From what you and others are saying, it would seem the SLIDERS are the key here, not the Roster. I would even theorize that most other rosters would function similarly with the slider set.

If that's the case, WHAT are the sliders changing that makes the game play better? Is any of that transferrable to the core gameplay?

Its neither the Roater or the Sliders, but their combination that produces the desired gameplay