Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

I have only bothered to make one other thread here in the past year or so (defensive AI) and a lot of people were helpful....these forums have sadly gone a long way downhill over the years (I was a regular when they first started two decades ago) so I rarely post...but the defense AI holes warranted a reappearance.

Thanks so much for your finger pointing, I mean, contributions. A true force for change.

The thread I started on D AI had many helpful posts though....and then there was you, posting non stop about ‘your’ roster. Which had nothing to do with the thread....

Talking about my roster? Quote me, since you're big on "facts". Definitely not feelings.... l m a o

Ironically, the LG Celtic roster you somehow sidetracked the thread with constant criticism of, turned out to be great.

Err, no. The roster itself was never "criticized".

....your username kind of suggests a ‘slight’ bias.

My username literally originated as a criticism of 2K.

https://www.nba-live.com/ww-mysterio...20the%20league.

[Erithtotl]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

I feel the same way as the OP.

As a rec game, I find the Next Gen experience completely broken. And also, like the OP, the silence from those who work on the game is alarming. To address a couple points of criticism, you don't think Ronnie2K doesn't get paid to promote the game? You clearly have no idea how this works. As someone who works for a commercial software company, people are actively encouraged to post promotional stuff on social media and it certainly helps your career to actively do so, but we aren't a game company. At a game company, where social media posts are 100 times more effective you can guarantee its considered part of their job description. I mean, isn't that Ronnie's job??? I mean he literally has his position in the 2K universe because he's the hype man for 2K. I believe that 2K has probably asked told them to stop posting because the game is a train wreck and they've decided disengagement is a better strategy than getting into tweet wars with the fans. Either that or they've stopped posting because they are embarrassed 2K made them push out this half baked game and don't really want to have to try and defend it.

I think they are confronting the fact that they pushed the game out early to make launch, and some of the issues (like the terrible balance in mycareer, the broken contact dunks, interior D, shooting, etc) they honestly have no idea how to correct without alienating a huge chunk of their player base.

I've gone back to 2k21 last gen and while it has its faults it at least maintains a certain degree of internal consistency, where things like defense, floor spacing, rim protection and shot selection matter.

[simbayless]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

I bet if enough people did the hashtag. #Fix2k. Somebody will leave their wine and cheese party to calm things down.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

To address a couple points of criticism, you don't think Ronnie2K doesn't get paid to promote the game? You clearly have no idea how this works.

Ronnie is paid to promote the game. That's his job description. Ronnie isn't a developer. We're talking about the social media engagement of people that actually work on the game. But by all means, let's talk about who has an idea about how things work.

As someone who works for a commercial software company, people are actively encouraged to post promotional stuff on social media and it certainly helps your career to actively do so, but we aren't a game company. At a game company, where social media posts are 100 times more effective you can guarantee its considered part of their job description.

Unfortunately, you are wrong. It isn't part of the job description. We have a developer who for YEARS had a weekly Radio & YouTube show designed to get constructive criticism & feedback for the game. Not because the company encouraged him to do so. He chose to do it of his own volition, on his own free time, because it made him better at his job. And because he loves what he does.

Those videos weren't for the purpose of mass exposure/promotion, they were seen by 100-200 people each week.

I believe that 2K has probably asked told them to stop posting because the game is a train wreck and they've decided disengagement is a better strategy than getting into tweet wars with the fans.

"Fix the Servers Ronnie2K" is literally a meme and has been for two decades. You expect us to believe NOW that 2K is going dark in the face of criticisms?

Either that or they've stopped posting because they are embarrassed 2K made them push out this half baked game and don't really want to have to try and defend it.

OR - they're working on the game. The bus driver typically doesn't talk to the passengers about what's going on upstairs. (Or they could just be waiting until more than 10 people own the PS5).

Nobody is saying NBA 2K21 is a perfect game. It never is. Yet it's also far from a BAD one.

It also released on schedule in a year where sports leagues were canceled/postponed and the entire movie industry shut down, to name a few industries. You and others are CRYING about the game not being "up to par" in what was easily the worst year of our generation.

Did any devs lose family or experience any health issues this year? Were there issues with child schooling? Who gives a ****? Where's my internet pitch fork? I know this is a place where people love to get high and mighty about their favorite video game but christ, read the room.

It's like watching the NBA and freaking out about games being postponed due to lack of available players, or teams "not competing" and losing by 30 w/ half the team missing. Teams are just trying to make it through the year.

"Embarrassed". That rhetoric shows how little understanding you actually have of how things work.

I think they are confronting the fact that they pushed the game out early to make launch

They didn't push the game out early. They maintained a deadline that their billion dollar licensing agreement set.

[Hustle Westbrook]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

I’m just going to assume they’ve moved on to 2K22 earlier because of the pandemic. I don’t think PNR Defense is getting patched this year either.

Honestly outside of an OP dribble move or jumpshot they don’t really patch gameplay like they used to, ever since 2K17. They dropped a ton of gameplay patches that year and it really messed up the game, particularly passing speeds. The community complained a ton and they’ve toned down on the patches since then.

[KM1991UK]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

Nobody is saying NBA 2K21 is a perfect game. It never is. Yet it's also far from a BAD one.

Lol. You must be trolling. It’s literally the worst game they have ever released. The most unrealistic, unbalanced, arcadey, fake, repetitive, mind numbingly boring version of a 2K game by far...ever. It’s genuinely embarrassing that this is the game they released for next gen console gaming.

[Vroman]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

Anybody still believes gameplay mechanics are made from the ground up like they promoted before release ?

[edaddy]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

Anybody still believes gameplay mechanics are made from the ground up like they promoted before release ?

How that even formed out there mouth to say that still leaves me baffled.

[milin]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

All of this is the result of lack of competition in the sports gaming market.

[Erithtotl]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

Ronnie is paid to promote the game. That's his job description. Ronnie isn't a developer. We're talking about the social media engagement of people that actually work on the game. But by all means, let's talk about who has an idea about how things work.




Unfortunately, you are wrong. It isn't part of the job description. We have a developer who for YEARS had a weekly Radio & YouTube show designed to get constructive criticism & feedback for the game. Not because the company encouraged him to do so. He chose to do it of his own volition, on his own free time, because it made him better at his job. And because he loves what he does.

Those videos weren't for the purpose of mass exposure/promotion, they were seen by 100-200 people each week.



"Fix the Servers Ronnie2K" is literally a meme and has been for two decades. You expect us to believe NOW that 2K is going dark in the face of criticisms?




OR - they're working on the game. The bus driver typically doesn't talk to the passengers about what's going on upstairs. (Or they could just be waiting until more than 10 people own the PS5).

Nobody is saying NBA 2K21 is a perfect game. It never is. Yet it's also far from a BAD one.

It also released on schedule in a year where sports leagues were canceled/postponed and the entire movie industry shut down, to name a few industries. You and others are CRYING about the game not being "up to par" in what was easily the worst year of our generation.

Did any devs lose family or experience any health issues this year? Were there issues with child schooling? Who gives a ****? Where's my internet pitch fork? I know this is a place where people love to get high and mighty about their favorite video game but christ, read the room.

It's like watching the NBA and freaking out about games being postponed due to lack of available players, or teams "not competing" and losing by 30 w/ half the team missing. Teams are just trying to make it through the year.

"Embarrassed". That rhetoric shows how little understanding you actually have of how things work.



They didn't push the game out early. They maintained a deadline that their billion dollar licensing agreement set.

Why are you so determined to create a straw man argument here that we are all picking on Ronnie and Mike Wang and DaCzar?

NO ONE HERE IS DOING THAT. We are pointing out that their silence is a symptom of 2K largely abandoning the game. Either they are told not to tweet about the state of the game, or they are frustrated and don't want to because they don't have any news for people. While there might be some random deranged people on twitter and reddit who can't tell the difference between a company and its employees, that is not what is happening here. If 2K was working on a big patch to solve a bunch of the outstanding problems don't you think Mike Wang would take TWO MINUTES to post a short tweet? Of course he would, but he doesn't make the decisions on which version of the game they spend their time on. Much like the Cyberpunk devs I imagine they are frustrated and also knew there were a lot of issues before release but are good soldiers/contractually obligated not to say so, and 2K is such a money and marketing machine that they don't feel the need to do a big mea culpa like CDProject and commit to supporting the product long term. After all, they'll just crap another one in the fall and collect the cash all over again.

As for saying 2K21 next gen is not a bad game, I call bull****. I've been avid into the game for the last decade, putting in 1000s of hours, and next gen is the first one I can't even bring myself to start up anymore. As mentioned I've gone back to last gen because at least it has some sense of balance. They took new animations and pasted them onto broken gameplay code that is some frankenstein's monster of old generations and some new ideas that don't work. They permanently broke the most popular game mode, mycareer, by releasing a half baked player creator that results in one build being better than all others by nearly double. They made it so that basically only one or two playstyles are actually viable. They created a big, vast 'city' that is mostly empty and %90 of what is left is product placement cosmetic items.

Stop crying about us being 'mean' to the developers. The vast majority of people know the difference between them and 2k.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

Lol. You must be trolling. It’s literally the worst game they have ever released.

Which is still miles better than half of the installments NBA Live ever had. Those games in particular were COMICALLY bad during console leap years. There's a wide gap between being a 3/10 game and a 7/10 game.

"The worst 2K" is still better than half of games out there.

For example, you can sit here and tell me you didn't like one of the movies in the MCU (Thor 2 or Captain Marvel would be my pick) but that doesn't make them objectively bad movies. They are mediocre, at worst.

"Objectively" is the concept people are struggling with today.
And then you have people out here pining for EA (aka the DCEU) as the bar you want to hold them to. Like LOLLLLL OKAYYYYYYY tell me about the glory days of Batman vs Superman and Suicide Squad.

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

Why are you so determined to create a straw man argument here that we are all picking on Ronnie and Mike Wang and DaCzar?

What is the purpose then of them being name dropped?

Much like the Cyberpunk devs I imagine they are frustrated and also knew there were a lot

Just curious - Anyone out here know the names of any Cyberpunk devs? Anyone shouting them out when criticizing the game? No?

Funny, in all my years of gaming, I've really only seen that ****ty behavior from the 2K community.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

Anybody still believes gameplay mechanics are made from the ground up like they promoted before release ?

NBA 2K21 is built from the ground up to fully utilize the power, speed and technology of next-generation consoles and continues to deliver an industry-leading sports video game experience for the current generation of gaming platforms.

Yeah, I still believe that....because despite all the other nonsense, I can turn on my XBSX and start a game in under 3 minutes, taking advantage of the systems power.

If they had actually said that about gameplay mechanics?...different story.


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[KobeDropped81]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

All facts OP this game is straight up dog sh*t...for the most part. Damn near every aspect is broken. It’s Pretty much current gen with lip gloss. Devs (I hope) have accepted this one for what it is and are going all in for 2k22.

Ps: Hard to Speak truth on here without guys relentlessly damage controlling. It’s weird

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Has 2K Next Gen been abandoned?

The funny thing is the OP didn't even say anything about the game being "bad". Talking about "OP is right!" and yall didn't even read, lmao. It was just assumed there was negative tone and ya'll latched onto it. Makes all the "cAnT kEeP iT rEaL" stuff even funnier.

I'll say it again though, communication from 2K would alleviate a lot of this stuff.

Like with PNO, they shadow fixed wins not counting (and killed dashboarding in the process)...but we had to figure that out ourselves. Its just unecessary

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