What happened to this game? They ruined it

[Von Dozier]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

These changes aren’t in people’s heads. That just makes no sense. It appears 90++% of players through all modes on forums report these changes. Nobody is saying who or why they happen. Maybe a dev isn’t needed. Maybe there’s internal slider and gameplay sets that automatically shift on a certain schedule to keep the online community guessing and paying. But something certainly happens in those overnight updates.

r/conspiracy is over thataway, dude.

[jeebs9]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

I learned how real and powerful that was about 10 years ago when damn near the entire NCAA community convinced themselves that holding L2 on passes allowed for more precise leading or some kind of modifier I forget.



The lead designer even tried to come out and say its not real but the community was convinced and said he was wrong. According to them EA "accidentally" added a brand new feature

Completely random but connected. But Holding L2 before you receive the ball. Makes your shooter square his shoulders to the rim. It's been in the game for years!! But all these media people were throwing it out there like it was some new feature LMFAO

[AIRJ23]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

I remember poster telling a dev here “Well yeah, but I’ve been playing since Dreamcast”, lol



Lol.

No maybes about it, that’s not how it works.

There’s a reason the reports of what has changed aren’t consistent. You’re free to believe what you believe though.


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I’d say every single year when every single player says the game’s core gameplay changes suddenly and drastically overnight, except for you, that’s pretty consistent.

But I’m sure Mike Wang is openly going back and forth with bots and not real people who are complaining that the game (like every game before it) no longer plays close to how it played at launch.

[AIRJ23]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

I remember poster telling a dev here “Well yeah, but I’ve been playing since Dreamcast”, lol



Lol.

No maybes about it, that’s not how it works.

There’s a reason the reports of what has changed aren’t consistent. You’re free to believe what you believe though.


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Also, if “that’s not how it works” then give us a detailed breakdown of how it all works. Or link to 2K explaining its technical process to how it adjusts gameplay.

Because “that’s not how it works” certainly is no more scientific than legions of players complaining about a consistent pattern of gameplay adjusting after these games get released.

[m29a]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

Even remotely suggesting that "every player" is complaining/experiencing changes is simply hyperbolic. The comments you see online are a very limited scope of what the consumers think of the game. You really think that the bulk of average 2K players are all voicing their opinions online? No, it's going to be a relative handful of enthusiasts who are super serious about it. This applies to any game, not just 2K.

This is the same type of stuff when "people" say Call of Duty or Fortnite is dead yet those games routinely stay up top on the most played charts day in and day out. Frankly a lot of enthusiasts online are out of touch and have no idea what most actual average game players want (which by the way, HUGELY outnumber the enthusiasts).

Posts online do not represent all opinions, full stop.

And with regards to needing to know all the details about the game about whether it is true or not -- typically it's normal to default to common sense. The burden of proof is on the person making a claim (especially outlandish), not the other way around.

I'll ask people -- what is the incentive for developers to go in every day and make these big adjustments? Just to mess with people? You think they are taking any time to read the hundreds of comments on social media? They're probably into 2K25 development already, with a smaller team maintaining 2K24.

Humans do not deal well with randomness (google "humans and randomness patterns") We think we see patterns when they do not exist. Basketball and 2K is going to have quite a bit of randomness even if they've leaned further into the skill side of things.

[The 24th Letter]

What happened to this game? They ruined it

Also, if “that’s not how it works” then give us a detailed breakdown of how it all works. Or link to 2K explaining its technical process to how it adjusts gameplay.

Because “that’s not how it works” certainly is no more scientific than legions of players complaining about a consistent pattern of gameplay adjusting after these games get released.

I’ll leave it at what was said above but if your state of mind is “I read it online, it must be true”..

No detailed breakdown needed sir lmao

[AIRJ23]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

Even remotely suggesting that "every player" is complaining/experiencing changes is simply hyperbolic. The comments you see online are a very limited scope of what the consumers think of the game. You really think that the bulk of average 2K players are all voicing their opinions online? No, it's going to be a relative handful of enthusiasts who are super serious about it. This applies to any game, not just 2K.

This is the same type of stuff when "people" say Call of Duty or Fortnite is dead yet those games routinely stay up top on the most played charts day in and day out. Frankly a lot of enthusiasts online are out of touch and have no idea what most actual average game players want (which by the way, HUGELY outnumber the enthusiasts).

Posts online do not represent all opinions, full stop.

And with regards to needing to know all the details about the game about whether it is true or not -- typically it's normal to default to common sense. The burden of proof is on the person making a claim (especially outlandish), not the other way around.

I'll ask people -- what is the incentive for developers to go in every day and make these big adjustments? Just to mess with people? You think they are taking any time to read the hundreds of comments on social media? They're probably into 2K25 development already, with a smaller team maintaining 2K24.

Humans do not deal well with randomness (google "humans and randomness patterns") We think we see patterns when they do not exist. Basketball and 2K is going to have quite a bit of randomness even if they've leaned further into the skill side of things.

Actually the laws of averages would suggest if let’s say 80% of online voices say the game has changed for the worse, then likely around 80% of casual users who don’t go to 2K online forums would also feel the same way. It’s not like forum members are the only one noticing changes. And again, isn’t Mike Wang currently admitting about changes they made?

To say this is all in people’s heads is hilarious and full on denial.

I’ll leave it at what was said above but if your state of mind is “I read it online, it must be true”..

No detailed breakdown needed sir lmao

So in other words, no detailed analysis. And my own experience with every 2K I’ve played is they adjust gameplay rapidly right after launch. So me listening to you say “that’s not how it works, trust me, it must all be in your head” would in fact be me having an “I read it online, it must be true” state of mind.

[sirdez]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

Getting some really funky lag and player movement issues at the moment. Basic passes triggering those awkward stumbling catch animations and a noticeable delay when you hit turbo or try to use dribbling combos or quick changes of direction, like your player is in quick sand. Makes it almost impossible to run plays/cuts and also defend in transition.

Hopefully just the game being temperamental.

[The 24th Letter]

What happened to this game? They ruined it

So in other words, no detailed analysis. And my own experience with every 2K I’ve played is they adjust gameplay rapidly right after launch. So me listening to you say “that’s not how it works, trust me, it must all be in your head” would in fact be me having an “I read it online, it must be true” state of mind.

Being that you don’t have 2K24 and are just here to, I don’t know….argue and remind us you didn’t buy it weekly…You don’t have to listen to anything I say.

My only suggestion is to not send the princes that e-mail you Western Union payments…

[howardphillips214]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

I'm sorry.. I'm up every day at 6am. Sign on... Get my first game out of the way. Since the season started there's been a "roster update" which is legit since the season started. But when you play EVERY DAY I can unequivocally say theyve been changing things.

Same jumper, same rating, 2 days ago my average for the season was .34. I've gotten it back up to .45 but that's cuz I went like 15-16 games really trying to focus on shot selection. I play on 12 minute quarters on All-star because thats the amount of CPU cheese I can tolerate. I used to play on SS but that's another thread.

Point is I woke up again today and got another update and I went 0-6 last game on wide open mostly.

Sure enough there was an update this morning.

I don't change anything but my shooting splits are wildly different day to day.

Id have to manually log my data on my phone since there's no current way to DAILY compute my splits and I'm not doing that.

Sure... It's one game but I don't take bad shots usually. It's very rare that I average under 60 percent on the season as a guard from the field. I go to the rim (which is AWFUL this year) or I shoot 3s.

[Cowboyfan_19]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

My legit only gripe is how impossible it is to score in the post against anything with anchor or post lockdown. Draymond Green is not guarding Shaq in real life simply standing there like a statue with his hands up. It was an issue in 2k17 & its returned this year. "Mashing" i guess is what yall call it. Nerffing it was not needed if they're gonna continue to show bias to jump shooting.

Other than that, I think the game is tremendous, especially with how they tweaked shooting a few weeks ago to make it less arcadey.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

Actually the laws of averages would suggest if let’s say 80% of online voices say the game has changed for the worse, then likely around 80% of casual users who don’t go to 2K online forums would also feel the same way.

Thats not at all what law of averages would suggest. Don't throw out technical terms in order to sound more credible if you don't know what they mean.
The law of averages deals with time, e.g. if you flip a coin 3 times and each time it lands on heads the law of averages states that if you keep flipping the coin eventually the ratio of landing on heads will fall to 50%.

To the second half of your statement that if 80% of online voices say something then 80% of casuals would say the same thing, wrong again. Thats called sampling bias

[Hustler79]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

The on ball steals have gotten ridiculous in the rec !
Just played a team which had 9 steals in the 1st quarter !
Every attempt to an on ball steal seems succesfull not even talking about the bodybump steals and interception steals.. arcade 4 real.

At launch the steals were super nice you would see loose ball battles and no body bump steals now steals are soo overpowered everybody is reaching like a blind man in a dark alley.

Also inside finishing against bigs with anchor is resulting in too many missed dunks its also not where its supposed to be at ALL.

[Tengo Juego]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

Why'd they change the green window for no-meter shooting? Like, I get there's a "feel" that people comment on in regards to shooting and gameplay, but the actual data testing from 2Klab shows 20% to 3% and that is significant. Every year feels like a constant struggle to get a good feel for aspects of the game when things are tinkered with for inexplicable reasons. Often times without any explanation whatsoever. Can't even begin to understand the amount of input latency one can experience playing this game online. A bad game is bad. Rotten with paywalled experiences and a toxic community. I am filled with regret yet again. Waiting to get a cheaper copy made no difference.

[The 24th Letter]

What happened to this game? They ruined it

The on ball steals have gotten ridiculous in the rec !
Just played a team which had 9 steals in the 1st quarter !
Every attempt to an on ball steal seems succesfull not even talking about the bodybump steals and interception steals.. arcade 4 real.

At launch the steals were super nice you would see loose ball battles and no body bump steals now steals are soo overpowered everybody is reaching like a blind man in a dark alley.

Also inside finishing against bigs with anchor is resulting in too many missed dunks its also not where its supposed to be at ALL.

Assume you weren’t a ball handler season 1?

“bad” steals were much more prevalent at launch.

Not only were body bump steals there, but steals from across the body were rewarded, which is why it was addressed in a patch.


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