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  • Warrenup
    Rookie
    • Apr 2021
    • 21

    #16
    Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

    Originally posted by Real2KInsider
    Just so we have them:

    Zion Mid-Range Tendencies
    5 Contested
    55 Pull Up (Drive Pull Up)
    25 Stepback

    Zion 3PT Tendencies
    0 Contested
    25 Pull Up (Drive Pull Up)
    25 Stepback
    0 Transition Pull

    While Pull Up and Stepback appears high, 25 is actually the floor of where they want that Tendency (effectively a zero).

    The 55 Mid-Tend is another story however. To give context to that:

    Pelicans Pull Up Mid Tend
    99 DeJounte Murray, CJ McCollum, Jordan Hawkins, Brandon Boston Jr
    70 Bruce Brown
    55 Zion Williamson, Jose Alvarado
    45 Kelly Olynyk
    40 Trey Murphy, Jamal Cain
    35 Karlo Matkovic
    30 Herb Jones
    25 Yves Missi, Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Antonio Reeves

    As an aside w/ Reeves, there are so many players who enter the game butchered and then never get addressed (This Zion Mid Tend is likely one such instance of this). Reeves is basically the same type of player as Hawkins/Boston Jr.

    FWIW
    Zion Pullups: 6-14 2PT, 1-3 3PT
    Zion Stepbacks: 2-2 2PT, 0-1 3PT

    That's one 2PT Pull per 36.... out of his 22 FGA/36 (5% of his shots).



    It's actually not even in the 8-12 range.

    Zion 2025 (507 mins)
    At Rim: 73-103 FG (71 FG%, 51 AST%, 7.3 FGA/36)
    3-10 ft: 76-158 FG (48 FG%, 46 AST%, 11.2 FGA/36)
    10-16 ft: 6-18 FG (33 FG%, 33 AST%, 1.3 FGA/36)
    16ft-3pt: 0-2 FG (0 FG%, 0 AST%, 0.1 FGA/36)
    3PT: 3-12 3PT (25 FG%, 67 AST%, 0.9 FGA/36)
    TOTAL: 168-397 FG (59 FG%, 49 AST%, 21.8 FGA/36)

    There is a disconnect in 2K for both players and devs as to what qualifies as a "Mid-Range" shot.

    Only 5% of Zion's shots occur in the 10-16 foot range.
    90% of his shots occur inside of 10 feet.

    51% of Zion's shots are in the 3-10 foot range, where he didn't get all the way to the rim.

    2K seems to think Zion needs to be prodded to not get all the way to the rim, but this is what happens when you have some dork who doesn't watch basketball in charge of editing spreadsheet data. Those shots naturally occur when the DEFENSE stops him from getting all the way to the rim (i.e. they are a REACTION). It isn't a result the IRL player is actively "looking" for.



    Unfortunately, the best you can do is hope they read posts like this. They're off the grid.
    Fasho my guy ����. Another on point post. It's definitely the 55 drive pull up that messes up his tendencies. I think his post up fadeaway is also too high.

    It's crazy how hard it is to request rating/tendency/dribble moves changes. Anybody who watches b ball religiously would get mad if you see Zion shoot 5 pull ups off of drives in 1 game. If you are a fan, you will notice his dribble move package is too slow and CPU Zion doesn't/can't break people down off the dribble.

    I have been requesting these changes for Zion FOR YEARS now smh. His pull up and post fadeaway has been the same numbers since he got drafted.

    And wow at his current Per36 numbers. Bro is averaging 31 and 12 Per36 ��. Historically good. He's averaging the 2nd most points per minute in NBA history and only Wilt is ahead of him lol.
    Last edited by Warrenup; 02-20-2025, 05:05 AM.

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    • Real2KInsider
      MVP
      • Dec 2003
      • 4658

      #17
      Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

      2024 Pelicans 2PT Pullup/36
      4.3 Brandon Ingram = 99
      1.8 Jordan Hawkins = 99
      1.3 C.J. McCollum = 99
      0.8 Naji Marshall = 55
      0.6 Zion Williamson = 55
      0.3 Jose Alvarado = 55
      0.2 Trey Murphy III = 40
      0.2 Herb Jones = 30
      0.1 Larry Nance Jr = 35
      0.0 Dyson Daniels = 35
      0.0 Jonas Valanciunas = 40

      This is likely the reason for the 55. They don't understand scaling.

      We can see with Hawkins & CJ they are just maxing these guys out if they do it, when there is an actual difference between them and real mid-range maestros like Ingram or DeJounte Murray (3.9)

      As a result we have this sort of elevated middle-class of players who don't actually do

      Marshall, Zion, and Alvarado all having the same Tend is pretty funny

      What was really interesting was getting to the bottom and seeing Valanciunas not even a minimum Tend (25).

      2024 Pelicans 3PT Pull Up
      2.2 C.J. McCollum = 99
      1.2 Brandon Ingram = 75
      1.1 Trey Murphy III = 45
      1.0 Jordan Hawkins = 99
      0.9 Jose Alvarado = 55
      0.3 Naji Marshall = 40
      0.1 Herb Jones = 30
      0.1 Larry Nance Jr = 35
      0.2 Dyson Daniels = 35
      0.0 Zion Williamson = 25
      0.0 Jonas Valanciunas = 25

      The spread of Ingram, Murphy, Hawkins, and Alvarado is outright comical. This is data that I track every year and it's fairly consistent.

      All of this data is available in the Real 2K Roster spreadsheet by the way. Available again on Patreon soon.
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      • Real2KInsider
        MVP
        • Dec 2003
        • 4658

        #18
        Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

        Checking out last season's data for my guinea pig Sixers

        Mid-Range
        2.7 Joel Embiid = 99
        2.1 Paul George = 99
        1.9 Lonnie Walker = 70
        1.2 Kelly Oubre = 60
        0.8 Tyrese Maxey = 95
        0.5 Kyle Lowry = 55
        0.4 Jared Butler = 60
        0.2 Quentin Grimes = 35
        0.1 Eric Gordon = 35
        0.0 Andre Drummond = 30

        Under 500 minutes
        0.6 Ricky Council = 60
        0.5 Jeff Dowtin = 80
        NA Jared McCain = 99
        NA Justin Edwards = 50
        NA Guerschon Yabusele = 55
        NA Adem Bona = 0

        3PT
        2.5 Tyrese Maxey = 99
        2.3 Lonnie Walker = 55
        2.2 Paul George = 99
        1.6 Kyle Lowry = 75
        1.2 Kelly Oubre = 60
        1.1 Jared Butler = 75
        0.9 Quentin Grimes = 50
        0.9 Eric Gordon = 50
        0.7 Joel Embiid = 85
        0.0 Andre Drummond = 30

        Under 500 minutes
        1.8 Jeff Dowtin = 35
        0.4 Ricky Council = 30
        NA Jared McCain = 95
        NA Justin Edwards = 45
        NA Guerschon Yabusele = 40
        NA Adem Bona = 25

        Across these two teams:
        There are 8 instances of 99s.
        There is only 1 player with a 95 (a rookie) and nobody with an 80 or 85.

        This is probably the most telling thing in the All-or-nothing band-aid they panic applied at some point. If any players fell in that 80-95 range they likely got maxed out.

        Anyway I'm done gifting dimes to a billion dollar company. They wanted me to fix the game for peanuts and no credit.
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        • AIRJ23
          MVP
          • Apr 2021
          • 2804

          #19
          Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

          I’m gonna cry when next year Luka plummets to an 82 and everyone goes from “Lakers gonna win the chip!” to “LeBron needs more help, Luka is trash!” while LeBron at 44 years old holds a 96 OVR averaging 21/7/6 at 10th seed.

          Last night the last 3 minutes of the game Luka had practically 0 touches. Until he put an offensive rebound in. Bron brought up the ball, took every shot or made every pass. The last 2 threes he bricked to tie the game. Meanwhile last years WCMVP who took his team to the finals and dropped a 70 point triple double wasn’t used at all.

          Anybody who knows Luka, knows he’ll end up like Westbrook if you don’t let him be him. Luka is an artist of chaos. He needs everything to go through him, and he needs to control that chaos. If he can’t, he gets neutered. And LeBron will get his 22 shots and touches no matter what.

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          • dnikafoeno
            Rookie
            • Mar 2011
            • 98

            #20
            Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

            Originally posted by AIRJ23
            Last night the last 3 minutes of the game Luka had practically 0 touches. Until he put an offensive rebound in. Bron brought up the ball, took every shot or made every pass. The last 2 threes he bricked to tie the game. Meanwhile last years WCMVP who took his team to the finals and dropped a 70 point triple double wasn’t used at all.
            Once Austin Reaves got ejected in the 3rd the game's momentum changed. Luka is still finding a rhythm from his injury hence his shooting is very poor.

            Lastly why would you go to Luka for the last shot when Lebron once again was the reason the game was close? Did he not score 11 straight in the 4th? Outside of Rui missing the two free throws to tie it... Did he not hit a three to bring it to 1 with 6 secs left? You go back to the hot hand.

            Luka didn't have "0 touches" in the last minutes of the game. Luka brought up the ball several times in the final stretch lmao. Around the 3:30 mark he missed a fadeaway two followed by a missed step back three with 2:16 left. (Game was tied both times he took these shots)

            I've seen most your posts always include Lebron but you using this meaningless Hornets game to bring him down is a new low especially when you went missing when him and lakers went on a crazy streak before losing these last two games. You're a big MJ fan which is understandable but it's getting sad lol
            Last edited by dnikafoeno; 02-20-2025, 05:28 PM.

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            • jeebs9
              Fear is the Unknown
              • Oct 2008
              • 47568

              #21
              Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

              Originally posted by dnikafoeno
              Once Austin Reaves got ejected in the 3rd the game's momentum changed. Luka is still finding a rhythm from his injury hence his shooting is very poor.

              Lastly why would you go to Luka for the last shot when Lebron once again was the reason the game was close? Did he not score 11 straight in the 4th? Outside of Rui missing the two free throws to tie it... Did he not hit a three to bring it to 1 with 6 secs left? You go back to the hot hand.

              Luka didn't have "0 touches" in the last minutes of the game. Luka brought up the ball several times in the final stretch lmao. Around the 3:30 mark he missed a fadeaway two followed by a missed step back three with 2:16 left. (Game was tied both times he took these shots)

              I've seen most your posts always include Lebron but you using this meaningless Hornets game to bring him down is a new low especially when you went missing when him and lakers went on a crazy streak before losing these last two games. You're a big MJ fan which is understandable but it's getting sad lol
              Knocked it out of the park
              Hands Down....Man Down - 2k9 memories
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IHP_5GUBQo

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              • AIRJ23
                MVP
                • Apr 2021
                • 2804

                #22
                Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

                Originally posted by dnikafoeno
                Once Austin Reaves got ejected in the 3rd the game's momentum changed. Luka is still finding a rhythm from his injury hence his shooting is very poor.

                Lastly why would you go to Luka for the last shot when Lebron once again was the reason the game was close? Did he not score 11 straight in the 4th? Outside of Rui missing the two free throws to tie it... Did he not hit a three to bring it to 1 with 6 secs left? You go back to the hot hand.

                Luka didn't have "0 touches" in the last minutes of the game. Luka brought up the ball several times in the final stretch lmao. Around the 3:30 mark he missed a fadeaway two followed by a missed step back three with 2:16 left. (Game was tied both times he took these shots)

                I've seen most your posts always include Lebron but you using this meaningless Hornets game to bring him down is a new low especially when you went missing when him and lakers went on a crazy streak before losing these last two games. You're a big MJ fan which is understandable but it's getting sad lol
                It amazes me how after years of bron padding stats and the lakers going nowhere, him scoring “11 straight points” is seen as a good thing (the same people celebrating that in the next breath will complain “why do all these players start playing like trash when helping Bron!”) and not the entire reason the team didn’t get involved enough to beat one of the worst teams in the league.

                When you have Luka doncic on your team, you shouldn’t be scoring 11 straight points unless you want to take him out of the game. Which is what that did. And what did those 11 straight points net? A loss.

                Hot hand? Here are some stats:

                -Since 2020 LeBron is 0-21 on game winning or tying shots.

                -LeBron is 1-29 on game tying/go-ahead shots in his ENTIRE Lakers tenure.

                That is HISTORICALLY poor clutch performance. Yet they continue to feed the “hot hand.”

                That same tenure which has had them as a play in team outside of the bubble, despite a revolving roster of superstar after superstar aiding him, yet mysteriously being criticized for seeming neutered once they join him. But hey, at least he got his 11 straight points because “nobody else on the team could contribute” despite his new teammate coming off a year where he averaged 33/10/10 (numbers Bron himself has never put up) and carried a trash team to the finals.
                Last edited by AIRJ23; 02-21-2025, 02:03 AM.

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                • sirdez
                  Pro
                  • Aug 2020
                  • 692

                  #23
                  Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

                  Who forms part of the "revolving door of superstar after superstar" aiding LeBron in LA in the last few years? He's had AD, who is a tremendous player but hardly a model of durability. And that partnership yielded a ring and another WCF run. Who are all these other superstars?

                  It's also pretty funny to proclaim Luka as the best player in the world, but criticise LeBron for stat-padding and not having enough team success in the same breath.

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                  • AIRJ23
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2021
                    • 2804

                    #24
                    Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

                    Originally posted by sirdez
                    Who forms part of the "revolving door of superstar after superstar" aiding LeBron in LA in the last few years? He's had AD, who is a tremendous player but hardly a model of durability. And that partnership yielded a ring and another WCF run. Who are all these other superstars?

                    It's also pretty funny to proclaim Luka as the best player in the world, but criticise LeBron for stat-padding and not having enough team success in the same breath.
                    Is that humor? In 2021 Russell Westbrook post-all-star break was playing mvp level. He then gets Russ in 2022. WITH AD on the same team and old Melo. Russ was a 90+ OVR player when acquired who plummeted to the 70’s With the lakers. AD was fully available the past 1-3 years. AD is one of the best players in the league and a dominant force when healthy.

                    When the lakers got Russ, everyone flipped out saying lakers were gonna break the win record and win everything. How soon we forget. Is a former league mvp (Russ) along with a top 5 all time PER player (AD) not help? What more do you need?

                    Luka last year was the best player in the world, bar none. He had the best stats in the the world, and carried a lackluster team to the finals. But now I’m sure he’ll get the russ treatment and soon enough be labeled as “no help” as well, continuing a trend that seems to follow LeBron where somehow his fans find scapegoat reasons to avoid blaming him. Same way coaches who took those lakers to the finals or wcf get fired every year But hey, I’m sure bron had nothing to do with that either, nor his son getting drafted, and his podcast partner getting hired another coincidence.

                    IS AD, RUSS, LUKA NOT ENOUGH of a revolving door?? Check the stats and staggering credentials of those guys. Nobody has had that level of super help in the last few years. Then we have Austin reaves playing all nba level, D-Lo another great player UNLESS he’s with the lakers, etc.

                    D-Lo just said he’ll never take for granted the ability to feel free when playing. I wonder what that refers to?

                    Personally, I don’t count that bubble. Shortened season, against a 5th seed heat full of injuries, after a lockout where players were out of shape and injured. No crowd, no pressure, no ratings, no parade, no energy. WCF? Ok cool, but got swept (and LeBron clamped and blocked by a 6’1 Jamal Murray for a game winner attempt, might I add).

                    Look, no doubt he’s one of the most gifted and one of a kind players, can thrive in any era. 6’9 260 with genetics never before seen. But his achievement percentage vs time played ratio largely lacks other top 5 players. 18 years of his career with no ring, no mvp. Point accumulation record but only 1 scoring title. Is that dominance? Or unprecedented consistency longevity. Averages 24/8/7 yet gets a 96 OVR. Has played with more all star, hof , mvp, finals mvp, you name it, players than anyone ever. Etc.

                    To me, the resume and achievement ratio doesn’t correlate to the media derived goat debate frenzy. Because while every year he plays, he accumulates more stats and all star appearances, etc. it also notches another year where he doesn’t win certain awards required for that goat status he anoints himself.
                    Last edited by AIRJ23; 02-21-2025, 05:46 AM.

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                    • Real2KInsider
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 4658

                      #25
                      Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

                      ^Ain't nobody reading all that

                      In other news

                      40-POINT GAMES AFTER TURNING 40

                      LeBron James: 2
                      Michael Jordan: 1
                      Rest of NBA players: 0
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                      • sirdez
                        Pro
                        • Aug 2020
                        • 692

                        #26
                        Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

                        I thought you meant actual superstars, not a past-prime Westbrook and a washed Melo. Also didn't realise you were including Luka in that given that partnership is three games old.

                        But you've made it quite clear your beef is less about LeBron's rating and more about people daring to consider him as a challenger to Jordan's throne, because a lot of what you wrote is very biased and emotional and not at all balanced.

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                        • dnikafoeno
                          Rookie
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 98

                          #27
                          Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

                          Originally posted by sirdez
                          I thought you meant actual superstars, not a past-prime Westbrook and a washed Melo. Also didn't realise you were including Luka in that given that partnership is three games old.

                          But you've made it quite clear your beef is less about LeBron's rating and more about people daring to consider him as a challenger to Jordan's throne, because a lot of what you wrote is very biased and emotional and not at all balanced.
                          Thank you! That's all he does is turn every ratings thread about Lebron that has no value.

                          Rashidi/Real 2k Insider even gave him a full ratings breakdown that was accurate IMO with all the data to back it up. If you play his roster or input those attributes the gameplay is better.

                          There's other players who NEED better attributes/tendencies adjustments to make the gameplay better that I like to see. (Paul George/Zion/76ers/Pelicans before all this)

                          That's what these threads should be about giving insight and helping others understand where 2k lacks or why ratings are where they're at. Not about all time player who individually is still performing at an high level.
                          Last edited by dnikafoeno; 02-21-2025, 10:11 AM.

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                          • AIRJ23
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2021
                            • 2804

                            #28
                            Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

                            Originally posted by sirdez
                            I thought you meant actual superstars, not a past-prime Westbrook and a washed Melo. Also didn't realise you were including Luka in that given that partnership is three games old.

                            But you've made it quite clear your beef is less about LeBron's rating and more about people daring to consider him as a challenger to Jordan's throne, because a lot of what you wrote is very biased and emotional and not at all balanced.
                            Westbrook wasn’t past his prime. That’s my point. These players always match up with LeBron while considered in their prime, then when “his system” is done with them, they’re miraculously “washed.”

                            Russ had an 88 OVR in 2K21, just before joining lakers.

                            I disagree about being emotional. If you look at accolades and facts, LeBron has stacked less in way more time. Remember, every year he plays and doesn’t win a ring or mvp or major award doesn’t correlate to how a “goat” should efficiently stack their time.

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                            • AIRJ23
                              MVP
                              • Apr 2021
                              • 2804

                              #29
                              Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

                              Originally posted by Real2KInsider
                              ^Ain't nobody reading all that

                              In other news

                              40-POINT GAMES AFTER TURNING 40

                              LeBron James: 2
                              Michael Jordan: 1
                              Rest of NBA players: 0
                              The fact that Jordan scored 40 in the toughest defense era when teams scored 80 points, while LeBron does it in the softest defense era when teams score 120 points, is practically like comparing completely different sports.

                              Last night’s game was a low scoring game to today’s standards, but did you even watch it? The amount of points Lebron got just coasting to the rim for an easy layup or wide open unguarded three explains how much easier it is to rack those points today compared to 200Freakin3.

                              Jordan at 40: 43 points (48 points adjusted to today’s pacing)

                              LeBron at 40: 42 points (38 points adjusted to 2003)

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                              • MiracleMet718
                                Pro
                                • Apr 2016
                                • 2080

                                #30
                                Re: 7th Official NBA 2K25 Player Ratings Update - 2.13.25

                                Originally posted by AIRJ23
                                Is that humor? In 2021 Russell Westbrook post-all-star break was playing mvp level. He then gets Russ in 2022. WITH AD on the same team and old Melo. Russ was a 90+ OVR player when acquired who plummeted to the 70’s With the lakers. AD was fully available the past 1-3 years. AD is one of the best players in the league and a dominant force when healthy.

                                When the lakers got Russ, everyone flipped out saying lakers were gonna break the win record and win everything. How soon we forget. Is a former league mvp (Russ) along with a top 5 all time PER player (AD) not help? What more do you need?

                                Luka last year was the best player in the world, bar none. He had the best stats in the the world, and carried a lackluster team to the finals. But now I’m sure he’ll get the russ treatment and soon enough be labeled as “no help” as well, continuing a trend that seems to follow LeBron where somehow his fans find scapegoat reasons to avoid blaming him. Same way coaches who took those lakers to the finals or wcf get fired every year But hey, I’m sure bron had nothing to do with that either, nor his son getting drafted, and his podcast partner getting hired another coincidence.

                                IS AD, RUSS, LUKA NOT ENOUGH of a revolving door?? Check the stats and staggering credentials of those guys. Nobody has had that level of super help in the last few years. Then we have Austin reaves playing all nba level, D-Lo another great player UNLESS he’s with the lakers, etc.

                                D-Lo just said he’ll never take for granted the ability to feel free when playing. I wonder what that refers to?

                                Personally, I don’t count that bubble. Shortened season, against a 5th seed heat full of injuries, after a lockout where players were out of shape and injured. No crowd, no pressure, no ratings, no parade, no energy. WCF? Ok cool, but got swept (and LeBron clamped and blocked by a 6’1 Jamal Murray for a game winner attempt, might I add).

                                Look, no doubt he’s one of the most gifted and one of a kind players, can thrive in any era. 6’9 260 with genetics never before seen. But his achievement percentage vs time played ratio largely lacks other top 5 players. 18 years of his career with no ring, no mvp. Point accumulation record but only 1 scoring title. Is that dominance? Or unprecedented consistency longevity. Averages 24/8/7 yet gets a 96 OVR. Has played with more all star, hof , mvp, finals mvp, you name it, players than anyone ever. Etc.

                                To me, the resume and achievement ratio doesn’t correlate to the media derived goat debate frenzy. Because while every year he plays, he accumulates more stats and all star appearances, etc. it also notches another year where he doesn’t win certain awards required for that goat status he anoints himself.
                                I think MJ is the GOAT personally, but if you can’t appreciate what LeBron has done in his career, it’s just hating this point. No need to compare him or MJ or Kareem or other guys that played into their 40s. Appreciate him while he’s still in the league because he’s one of the all time greats and only has another year or two left tops.

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