NBA 2k15 team play book thread

[ffaacc03]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

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Reorder plays

Let me ask everyone a question. Which would you prefer?

1- plays in order such as.
PNR - page 1
PNR/Mid-p. 2
PNR/3pt - p 3
PNR option p. 3-4

Or

2. Plays in order from best plays to worst in a category?

Or

3. Realistic action whether it be longer actions or not?
Non user friendly would look like this...

PNR - 1st play
Pnfade - 2nd play
PNR - 3 rd play
PNR option 4th play

Let me know opinions fellas...

If possible I would go with 1 but with a variation: Put at the top the most effective ones within PNRs, then within PNFs, then within PNR3s, etc. I mean you enter like 1, but within those types, always start with the "best" ones ... might be a pain to do tho ...

I just think that as people go and experience with teams playbooks and get confortable with some plays over others, they can rearrange them as they see fit ... but for most, 1 would be the most appropiated.

Anyways, THANKS a lot !

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

If possible I would go with 1 but with a variation: Put at the top the most effective ones within PNRs, then within PNFs, then within PNR3s, etc.

Its a pain in the ...

I just think that as people go and experience with teams playbooks and get confortable with some plays over others, they can rearrange them as they see fit.

Anyways, THANKS a lot !

Yes that is really exactly how I think I want to do it and have done that for my own Blazer playbook...

[ch46647]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

This is great Vans and thank you for all of your hard work! I apologize for my ignorance as I am new to the series, but I want to create the best experience possible for my franchise mode. (I used custom rosters and such for MLB the Show this year and it made a world of difference)

It sounds like you plan to input all these playbook changes into a custom roster set. Will you be submitting all of that into 2K share? I would like to use a very similar setup to yourself, as you seem very knowledgable on all of this.

Also, do all these tendency and POE changes get submitted into the roster section? If so, I assume you will take a custom roster, input all go your playbook and coaching strategy changes and start from there... Am I missing anything?

If you plan in sharing all this on 2K share I will probably just wait to start my franchise..

Once again, thank you for all you do for this community!

[FloorGeneral]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

Let me ask everyone a question. Which would you prefer?

1- plays in order such as.

PNR - page 1
PNR/Mid-p. 2
PNR/3pt - p 3
PNR option p. 3-4

Or

2. Plays in order from best plays to worst in a category?

Or

3. Realistic action whether it be longer actions or not?


The last one I should clarify. All the plays have realistic actions but some loop, zipper, swing, and thru actions take longer. I'm still not sure how CPU so selects 1 play from another and I've asked the question to DM twice to czar and in a thread on home page. No answers to that question but others yes. So not sure anyone really knows if there is a rhyme or reason behind it except as the CPU AI plays and is successful then I think it gos back in rotation? I have noticed a huge variety every game though which keeps me on my toes.

Anyways, I'm torn between user friendly or best plays per team no matter what order they are in. Non user friendly would look like this...

PNR - 1st play
Pnfade - 2nd play
PNR - 3 rd play
PNR option 4th play

All those could be the order in page 1. As you learn a teams playbook it would be a non issue. If you go play another team you would be lost.

Let me know opinions fellas...

I'd definitely bypass the user friendly angle and go in order of best plays. I've already tweaked the order for a couple of teams (my Bucks of course, and the Spurs & Warriors), just putting them in the order of plays I think are better. Also, with the PNRs, on the first page or 2 (atleast), I try and keep the Top PNRs in the up/down slots, and the Angle/Side PNRs in the left/right slots. I also like to keep the similar action (more so in Mid Range/3pt. plays) in the same spots too. So for example, If there's 2 Horns, or Zipper plays, I try to have them (just as an example) in the Up slot on both pages. If there's 3 Horns plays, I'd try and have them, say, in the Up and Down slot in the first page, and Down slot of 2nd page, or the Up slot first page, and Up and Down slot second page. Just an attempt at continuity.

For example, my PNRs for the Bucks look like:

Spoiler

91 Horns 5 Down (R) (Down)
63 Fist (O) (Right) -- If a team has Horns 91 Fist, it goes here. If they have both, 63 would go same spot page 2.
Spread 14 Fist Out (M) (Left)
Fist Down 4 Lift Short (R) (Up)

Horns Fist 15 Down (R) (Down)
Spread 35 Fist 4 CNR (R)(Right)
Loop 24 Fist Out (M) (Left)
Spread 4 Lift 15 Fist Down (R) (Up)

Fist Up 4 Short (M) (Down)
94 Side 2 (O) (Right)
Elbow Give 35 Fist Out (M) (Left)
Wide 61 Fist (O) (Up)

While my Mid Range/3pt plays look like this:

Spoiler

Horns Away Mid (D)
Floppy (R)
Curl 2 Quick (L)
Wide 12 Quick (U)

Horns 1 Dive 51 Give (D)
Floppy Twist 12 (R)
Fist Floppy Chest (L)
Horns 53 Quick (U)

Euro Flow 24 Flare (D)

------------------------

20 Horns Over (U)
Tri Base Quick 4 (R)
Zipper Fist Quick 4 (L)
Quick 24 (D)

Euro 53 Quick (U)
Thru Quick 15 (R)
Zipper Fist Quick 24 (L)

Now it gets tricky when there's an odd number of one or the other (or both). Like with the Bucks there's nine mid range plays, and seven 3pt plays. Also, some plays can't be ran by certain players. That comes more into play with Cutter and Iso plays, but I've noticed that some MR/3pt. plays can only be run by a player if they are a "Play Initiator".

For example, Horns 1 Dive 51 Give does not show up in Khris Middleton's plays, unless I make him a Play Initiator. Although it makes it difficult (or impossible in some instances) to keep your plays uniform across the board, I do like how 2K has gone about differentiating what a player can run depending on certain circumstances.


I also kind of see their reasoning for going with the d-pad play calling system. With the old way, though players still were "limited" to 32 (a multiple of 4) plays, you had 5 plays per page (with the 4 face buttons and a shoulder button). So if a player were maxed out, the last page would always have some blank space no matter what. With this way, you still have the 32 (again, a multiple of 4) limit, but now each page has 4 plays, corresponding to 4 buttons. Everything is just more uniform. Of course, they could've done the same exact thing by getting rid of the shoulder button, and keeping the 4 face buttons, which I'm sure we all woulda preferred. I wish they gave us a reason for why they went the d-pad route. I know Da Czar said they it was already in place when he came on, so he didn't know either.

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

I'd definitely bypass the user friendly angle and go in order of best plays. I've already tweaked the order for a couple of teams (my Bucks of course, and the Spurs & Warriors), just putting them in the order of plays I think are better. Also, with the PNRs, on the first page or 2 (atleast), I try and keep the Top PNRs in the up/down slots, and the Angle/Side PNRs in the left/right slots. I also like to keep the similar action (more so in Mid Range/3pt. plays) in the same spots too. So for example, If there's 2 Horns, or Zipper plays, I try to have them (just as an example) in the Up slot on both pages. If there's 3 Horns plays, I'd try and have them, say, in the Up and Down slot in the first page, and Down slot of 2nd page, or the Up slot first page, and Up and Down slot second page. Just an attempt at continuity.

For example, my PNRs for the Bucks look like:

Spoiler

91 Horns 5 Down (R) (Down)
63 Fist (O) (Right) -- If a team has Horns 91 Fist, it goes here. If they have both, 63 would go same spot page 2.
Spread 14 Fist Out (M) (Left)
Fist Down 4 Lift Short (R) (Up)

Horns Fist 15 Down (R) (Down)
Spread 35 Fist 4 CNR (R)(Right)
Loop 24 Fist Out (M) (Left)
Spread 4 Lift 15 Fist Down (R) (Up)

Fist Up 4 Short (M) (Down)
94 Side 2 (O) (Right)
Elbow Give 35 Fist Out (M) (Left)
Wide 61 Fist (O) (Up)

While my Mid Range/3pt plays look like this:

Spoiler

Horns Away Mid (D)
Floppy (R)
Curl 2 Quick (L)
Wide 12 Quick (U)

Horns 1 Dive 51 Give (D)
Floppy Twist 12 (R)
Fist Floppy Chest (L)
Horns 53 Quick (U)

Euro Flow 24 Flare (D)

------------------------

20 Horns Over (U)
Tri Base Quick 4 (R)
Zipper Fist Quick 4 (L)
Quick 24 (D)

Euro 53 Quick (U)
Thru Quick 15 (R)
Zipper Fist Quick 24 (L)

Now it gets tricky when there's an odd number of one or the other (or both). Like with the Bucks there's nine mid range plays, and seven 3pt plays. Also, some plays can't be ran by certain players. That comes more into play with Cutter and Iso plays, but I've noticed that some MR/3pt. plays can only be run by a player if they are a "Play Initiator".

For example, Horns 1 Dive 51 Give does not show up in Khris Middleton's plays, unless I make him a Play Initiator. Although it makes it difficult (or impossible in some instances) to keep your plays uniform across the board, I do like how 2K has gone about differentiating what a player can run depending on certain circumstances.


I also kind of see their reasoning for going with the d-pad play calling system. With the old way, though players still were "limited" to 32 (a multiple of 4) plays, you had 5 plays per page (with the 4 face buttons and a shoulder button). So if a player were maxed out, the last page would always have some blank space no matter what. With this way, you still have the 32 (again, a multiple of 4) limit, but now each page has 4 plays, corresponding to 4 buttons. Everything is just more uniform. Of course, they could've done the same exact thing by getting rid of the shoulder button, and keeping the 4 face buttons, which I'm sure we all woulda preferred. I wish they gave us a reason for why they went the d-pad route. I know Da Czar said they it was already in place when he came on, so he didn't know either.

I love that idea and saw itchyroll51 do that and thought the concept makes sense. That a lot of work though! Lol! If a few guys could maybe help we could pull that off.

If I knew why CPU called a PNR play over another it could completely change how we would go about this. With my blazer playbook it's so nice bcus I know if on my way down the floor I want a pnp play with Lillard and alsridge I go to page 2. PNR page 1, options page 3. My only thing is if I wanted or if anyone wanted to go use a different team you would still know page 2 has pnpops except for teams who have 16 PNR plays or 6 pnr's.

I'm torn. Again if I knew how CPU AI chose plays it would change the way I did them for sure. But playing multiple games now and trying to test it seems completely random minus the fact it seems they run a play more than once if they have success with it but that could be placebo and me and my wishful thinking! Lol

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

This is great Vans and thank you for all of your hard work! I apologize for my ignorance as I am new to the series, but I want to create the best experience possible for my franchise mode. (I used custom rosters and such for MLB the Show this year and it made a world of difference)

It sounds like you plan to input all these playbook changes into a custom roster set. Will you be submitting all of that into 2K share? I would like to use a very similar setup to yourself, as you seem very knowledgable on all of this.

Also, do all these tendency and POE changes get submitted into the roster section? If so, I assume you will take a custom roster, input all go your playbook and coaching strategy changes and start from there... Am I missing anything?

If you plan in sharing all this on 2K share I will probably just wait to start my franchise..

Once again, thank you for all you do for this community!

I will post on 2k share again for everyone.

[jattnanga]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

Great work! This is awesome!!!

Quick question- do you have recommendations for what freelance offense I should set my team too, or do you just use the default teams are set too?

I use the warriors and am not sure what freelance I should use..

I play with the warriors as well and what I have done for them is use a more user friendly playbook with some quick play calls to take care of freelance.

i just leave freelance at default because of the way that i like to play, but i messed around with triangle, slice and pace freelances but didn't like the results too much.

So for example i have the following actions queued up to be at my fingertips so i control the freelance action in the halfcourt:

midrange
65 elbow 53 give - a pass to 5 man in the post with split post action (wings screening for each other)
swing dive 53 - so i can reverse through bogut into manual dribble hand off on ws
Pace 43 quick - a flare screen for a perimeter player from 5 man (not the best play but works decently enough)
95 12 Quick - a downscreen for a perimter player from 5 man (not the best play but works decently enough)
note: wide quick 13 in 3 pt plays is a better choice but for the organization of the playbook i chose 95 12 quick b/c it is a midrange play)

3pt
Wide Flare 12 - flare screen for perimeter player from 4 man
Wide Quick 12 - downscreen for perimeter player from 4 man

low post
tri wing 15 punch - pass to big in post and triangle x basket cut
punch - pass to big in post and a speed cut to the basket
punch 25 - pass to wing and pass to post followed by a guard on guard screen

Spread fist 15 punch - ball screen from big with empty cnr
horns fist 5 dive - high ball screen from big with high low option
15 fist down power - high ball screen with 4 man at the arc (with draymond in game)

i also have all players but kuzmic and ezeli as play initiators which allows the rebounder to push ahead. ill mainly look for something quick with a dribble hand off or pass ahead when i do this but my fall back playcall with a big handling is:

midrange
Tri Top 12 Quick - a quick wing on wing downscreen and then I manually dribble at them a perform a dribble hand off with the big i advanced the ball with

some of these actions are dependent on player alignment that you need to be mindful of like tri wing 15 punch needing a 3 man in the corner or the 2 man if the 3 has the ball, while others are pretty fluid.

all of these are to augment the halfcourt sets after they break down as well to give me some ways to create realistic coach kerr-ish movement on possessions where i push the ball hard ahead after a miss or turnover.

[ch46647]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

I will post on 2k share again for everyone.

Awesome! Any kind of ETA on this? A few weeks I would assume..

[FloorGeneral]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

I love that idea and saw itchyroll51 do that and thought the concept makes sense. That a lot of work though! Lol! If a few guys could maybe help we could pull that off.

If I knew why CPU called a PNR play over another it could completely change how we would go about this. With my blazer playbook it's so nice bcus I know if on my way down the floor I want a pnp play with Lillard and alsridge I go to page 2. PNR page 1, options page 3. My only thing is if I wanted or if anyone wanted to go use a different team you would still know page 2 has pnpops except for teams who have 16 PNR plays or 6 pnr's.

I'm torn. Again if I knew how CPU AI chose plays it would change the way I did them for sure. But playing multiple games now and trying to test it seems completely random minus the fact it seems they run a play more than once if they have success with it but that could be placebo and me and my wishful thinking! Lol

It's only a lot of work if you actually DO it all. Like you said, if you really can't determine how the CPU goes about running plays, then honestly, there's no point to actually rearrange every teams plays. What you could do, is just lay out the blueprint for the teams, and then we as users could just edit our teams PB. If ppl wanna edit multiple teams, they can. If they wanna only do one team, they can. With no way of telling how the CPU chooses plays, editing the order of plays for every team is just a pointless, tedious act IMO.

With that said, I've gotten pretty good at moving plays around in the playbook. What I do is write/type the plays down in the order I want (I do one play type at a time), then next to that, go down the list and write down the plays that are taking up that spot. Then, I replace the play that I WANT FIRST, with a random play from the same type (usually I just use the very first play listed if it's not already being used). Then you just go down the list continually re-adding the play you just replaced. It actually goes pretty quick once you get the hang of it. The key is not getting confused by which column is which, and keeping track of the random play that you used as a temp replacement (because you will most likely have to add it in more than once).

Yes it's a pain in the ***, but it's not as horrible as it sounds once you get the hang of it. I wish the bug that occurs when you delete plays didn't exist, but it's there, and it forces us to do these crazy workarounds.

[FloorGeneral]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

Great post from @jattnanga. Love seeing stuff like that. Have you seen this video from Coach Nick yet? Pretty good stuff. Looks like the Warriors are ready to realize their offensive potential now that Jackson is gone.

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[vannwolfhawk]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

I play with the warriors as well and what I have done for them is use a more user friendly playbook with some quick play calls to take care of freelance.

i just leave freelance at default because of the way that i like to play, but i messed around with triangle, slice and pace freelances but didn't like the results too much.

So for example i have the following actions queued up to be at my fingertips so i control the freelance action in the halfcourt:

midrange
65 elbow 53 give - a pass to 5 man in the post with split post action (wings screening for each other)
swing dive 53 - so i can reverse through bogut into manual dribble hand off on ws
Pace 43 quick - a flare screen for a perimeter player from 5 man (not the best play but works decently enough)
95 12 Quick - a downscreen for a perimter player from 5 man (not the best play but works decently enough)
note: wide quick 13 in 3 pt plays is a better choice but for the organization of the playbook i chose 95 12 quick b/c it is a midrange play)

3pt
Wide Flare 12 - flare screen for perimeter player from 4 man
Wide Quick 12 - downscreen for perimeter player from 4 man

low post
tri wing 15 punch - pass to big in post and triangle x basket cut
punch - pass to big in post and a speed cut to the basket
punch 25 - pass to wing and pass to post followed by a guard on guard screen

Spread fist 15 punch - ball screen from big with empty cnr
horns fist 5 dive - high ball screen from big with high low option
15 fist down power - high ball screen with 4 man at the arc (with draymond in game)

i also have all players but kuzmic and ezeli as play initiators which allows the rebounder to push ahead. ill mainly look for something quick with a dribble hand off or pass ahead when i do this but my fall back playcall with a big handling is:

midrange
Tri Top 12 Quick - a quick wing on wing downscreen and then I manually dribble at them a perform a dribble hand off with the big i advanced the ball with

some of these actions are dependent on player alignment that you need to be mindful of like tri wing 15 punch needing a 3 man in the corner or the 2 man if the 3 has the ball, while others are pretty fluid.

all of these are to augment the halfcourt sets after they break down as well to give me some ways to create realistic coach kerr-ish movement on possessions where i push the ball hard ahead after a miss or turnover.

You are on a whole different level with calling plays! Love it! I'd love to play a game against you but that's all way to much for me to comprehend in a video game! Lol! As a coach on the floor I coach like this and only call certain plays with obviously certain players but we have different options at different spots on the floor depending on who I have out there. It takes a bit but after a month of practicing and playing 10-20 games it all becomes second nature but I'd assume that would be the same in muscle memory with the video game. Good stuff!

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

It's only a lot of work if you actually DO it all. Like you said, if you really can't determine how the CPU goes about running plays, then honestly, there's no point to actually rearrange every teams plays. What you could do, is just lay out the blueprint for the teams, and then we as users could just edit our teams PB. If ppl wanna edit multiple teams, they can. If they wanna only do one team, they can. With no way of telling how the CPU chooses plays, editing the order of plays for every team is just a pointless, tedious act IMO.

With that said, I've gotten pretty good at moving plays around in the playbook. What I do is write/type the plays down in the order I want (I do one play type at a time), then next to that, go down the list and write down the plays that are taking up that spot. Then, I replace the play that I WANT FIRST, with a random play from the same type (usually I just use the very first play listed if it's not already being used). Then you just go down the list continually re-adding the play you just replaced. It actually goes pretty quick once you get the hang of it. The key is not getting confused by which column is which, and keeping track of the random play that you used as a temp replacement (because you will most likely have to add it in more than once).

Yes it's a pain in the ***, but it's not as horrible as it sounds once you get the hang of it. I wish the bug that occurs when you delete plays didn't exist, but it's there, and it forces us to do these crazy workarounds.

That's exactly how I do it. Writing down and doing this for 30 teams sounds tedious and a lot but all worth it in the end!

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

Great post from @jattnanga. Love seeing stuff like that. Have you seen this video from Coach Nick yet? Pretty good stuff. Looks like the Warriors are ready to realize their offensive potential now that Jackson is gone.

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Great stuff! I love coach nicks breakdowns! Man he rips mark Jackson but all valid points! I watched everything he had before doing a teams playbooks. I have 3 elevator plays (I believe only 3 in the game) assigned to warriors and after watching this need to replace them and I have 2 triangle post plays we need to get in now with cris cross action. I'll dig thru a few chin sets as well. Great video! I wish he did this for every team! I could watch these all day!

It's funny because a few years ago I was talking to another coach saying why don't they put curry off ball more. It made no sense. Plus his high turnover ratio it's good to switch it up. I mean 7% off ball screens for maybe the best shooter in the nba is crazy!

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

It sounds like you plan to input all these playbook changes into a custom roster set. Will you be submitting all of that into 2K share? I would like to use a very similar setup to yourself, as you seem very knowledgable on all of this.

Maybe in the past you could upload 'playbooks' as a setting to 2K share. If memory serves me correctly, you could do it with sliders.

But when Vann edits his playbooks they are saved under a roster. Its pretty user friendly.

Vann I just read you joined that massive XB1 roster project.

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

Wow just played a full game against the Rockets.

Harden went 11/23. Lots of stuff off high picks. Howard went 11/18. Got lots of shots off those cross screens across the key. I started having to double a low post guy. I cant remember the last time that happened! I could not stop them. It felt really good.

The only issue was their lack of 3s attempted. They only put up 7. Your roster has their POE as get to the basket. Later on tonight, I will test them at get shooters open, and hopefully Dwight and Harden still work the PNR gane and DWight gets his touches down low.

Other than the (seemingly) hardcoded lack of FT issue, I think our Myleagues are good to go.

As I keep saying, you need to be a paid employee of 2K.