2K21 Realistic Stats to Strive For

[EccentricMeat]

Re: 2K21 Realistic Stats to Strive For

Has anybody figured out how to get realistic fast break numbers for the CPU? I consistently see 3 or 5 fast break points and I went into the coach profiles and changed everyone to run in transition. They seem to want to run but end up never passing to open shooter or they all wait for PG to get the ball. Thanks.

On top of tweaking sliders to get more turnovers, you can also increase various tendencies to make sure the AI is more willing to attack the basket or put up a quick shot in transition.

But you also just have to deal with the game not accurately tallying fast break points. I’ve had quarters with multiple great fast break plays for both me and the CPU, and then had the stats show 0 fast break points. I’m not sure what is causing this issue, but it seems like the game either has very specific parameters for what it counts as a “fast break” or it just randomly ignores the stat sometimes.

[zten11]

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Has anybody figured out how to get realistic fast break numbers for the CPU? I consistently see 3 or 5 fast break points and I went into the coach profiles and changed everyone to run in transition. They seem to want to run but end up never passing to open shooter or they all wait for PG to get the ball. Thanks.

The problem here is still with how these games are scripted. Fastbreak points should really be counted more - like when the tempo speeds up and not just off a loose rebound or long outlet pass. The game can't comprehend that fastbreak points need to happen on a more regular basis because the CPU plays a half court style that doesn't really adjust much at all.

[Evtnj]

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I got some fast breaks finally by bumping up hands, passing lanes and on ball steals as suggested. So thank you.

Out of curiosity which tendencies would I change to get shots up quicker in transition? I’ve done a ton of tendency editing on my roster. Most players are playing realistically shot wise etc

I can’t for the life of me stop Harden from taking 35-40 shots a game despite lowering freelance quote a bit along with other tendency changes. Maybe it’s in his attributes?

I’m big on trying to get realistic numbers. Thanks again

[mvpstax]

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I got some fast breaks finally by bumping up hands, passing lanes and on ball steals as suggested. So thank you.

Out of curiosity which tendencies would I change to get shots up quicker in transition? I’ve done a ton of tendency editing on my roster. Most players are playing realistically shot wise etc

I can’t for the life of me stop Harden from taking 35-40 shots a game despite lowering freelance quote a bit along with other tendency changes. Maybe it’s in his attributes?

I’m big on trying to get realistic numbers. Thanks again

Glad those tweaks are working for you.

Increasing the "Hands" attributes to get more deflections is one of those little things that you never think of, but ALWAYS see in games. IRL, steals occur mostly off batted balls rather than clean steals. There are also many many instances in a real game when multiple players go for a rebound and the ball is tipped out of bounds. This is why I think maxing out the Hands attribute makes for an important small, but realistic detail in this game.

As for Harden, I would probably just manually lower his shot tendencies. Check out some previous games you've played and see who had a realistic/comparable game in terms of shot attempts, then take a look at their tendency attributes compared to Harden and figure out where the discrepancy lies if you can.

[zten11]

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Glad those tweaks are working for you.

Increasing the "Hands" attributes to get more deflections is one of those little things that you never think of, but ALWAYS see in games. IRL, steals occur mostly off batted balls rather than clean steals. There are also many many instances in a real game when multiple players go for a rebound and the ball is tipped out of bounds. This is why I think maxing out the Hands attribute makes for an important small, but realistic detail in this game.

As for Harden, I would probably just manually lower his shot tendencies. Check out some previous games you've played and see who had a realistic/comparable game in terms of shot attempts, then take a look at their tendency attributes compared to Harden and figure out where the discrepancy lies if you can.

Are you talking about increasing the individual player attributes or the slider tendency at a higher rate? I can probably speak for most people when I say I thought more of the opposite, that worse hands would cause more turnovers by the offense.

[mvpstax]

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Are you talking about increasing the individual player attributes or the slider tendency at a higher rate? I can probably speak for most people when I say I thought more of the opposite, that worse hands would cause more turnovers by the offense.

In the game sliders, put user and the cpu value for hands at 100. The hands attribute tells us that it represents deflections.

I agree with you that it is counter-intuitive. We usually think of hands (in sports) of being able to catch the ball. I don't know why they didn't just name it deflections instead.

[zten11]

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In the game sliders, put user and the cpu value for hands at 100. The hands attribute tells us that it represents deflections.

I agree with you that it is counter-intuitive. We usually think of hands (in sports) of being able to catch the ball. I don't know why they didn't just name it deflections instead.

Very interesting. I like that you are new on this site but you know a lot about how this game works. I'd like for you to be a part of my new roster in some way, or even for me just to use your sliders as you try to match it up with my NBA reality roster and the vibes you catch from it (or if you already are aware or have downloaded in the past).....

[Luke Skywalker]

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I played an entire 12 min quarter, CPU did not get a shooting foul at all. Slider at 70. I can’t imagine it at 100.

[mvpstax]

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I played an entire 12 min quarter, CPU did not get a shooting foul at all. Slider at 70. I can’t imagine it at 100.

Bumping up the foul sliders increase the chances of a foul being called.

If you want to see fouls committed by the CPU, go to the sliders and under CPU, increase them. Vice versa if you want to see more fouls committed by the human.

[mvpstax]

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Very interesting. I like that you are new on this site but you know a lot about how this game works. I'd like for you to be a part of my new roster in some way, or even for me just to use your sliders as you try to match it up with my NBA reality roster and the vibes you catch from it (or if you already are aware or have downloaded in the past).....

Appreciate it man. I've been enjoying CelticLG's rosters and have been trying to tweak sliders to match his. But feel free to cater your rosters to my sliders (mine are outdated, so I need to update them).

[itrey25]

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What’s your full in game defensive settings ?

[BugsBunny007]

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My sliders are very similar but I am close to getting it perfect. I like turning offensive consistently down to get a nice balance of made and missed shots. Looking at your sliders I think your have the missing pieces to my version of 2k’s randomness


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[damion2721]

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I got some fast breaks finally by bumping up hands, passing lanes and on ball steals as suggested. So thank you.

Out of curiosity which tendencies would I change to get shots up quicker in transition? I’ve done a ton of tendency editing on my roster. Most players are playing realistically shot wise etc

I can’t for the life of me stop Harden from taking 35-40 shots a game despite lowering freelance quote a bit along with other tendency changes. Maybe it’s in his attributes?

I’m big on trying to get realistic numbers. Thanks again

Same! These sliders are the best and most realistic that I’ve tried! Thanks!

[BugsBunny007]

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Since a lot of us are always looking to put together sliders that give us a mix of sliders that produce:

A.) Realistic play
B.) Realistic stats
C.) A little bit of fun

...I thought it would be good to collect some stats that we should strive for. Obviously these are ranges since not all teams are equal in the likes of talent, play-style, etc.

I combed through data of the past three seasons to come up with ranges that produce minimums and maximums for team stats for the season. On a per-game basis, we should fall between the following ranges.

This doesn't mean that every game will fall between these ranges because outliers do exist. But these ranges would be considered "normal".

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Team Stats:

TOT PTS: 98 - 120
League average last year: 111.8

FG%: 40% - 52%
League average last year: 46%

FGA: 80 - 96
League average last year: 88.8

3P%: 30% - 40%
League average last year: 35.8%

3PA: 24 - 47
League average last year: 34.1

FT%: 67% - 85%
League average last year: 77.3%

FTA: 15 - 30
League average last year: 23.1

PIP: 34 - 60
League median last year: 47.8
Last year high: 55.9 (MEM)
Last year low: 43.6 (SA)
Note: Normally 38%-52% of total points would come from the paint

TOT REB: 36 - 54
League average last year: 44.8

OFF REB: 6 - 14
League average last year: 10.1

AST: 18 - 31
League average last year: 24.4

TO: 9 - 19
League average last year: 14.5

DUNKS: 2 - 8
League average in '18-'19: 4.6
Note: This one is loose because there isn't much data on team dunks that I could find, but it works.

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For individual players, it's a bit harder since there is way more variability. Instead, let's look at the maximum values and aim to make sure guys aren't falling way outside of the norm. For instance, there shouldn't be anyone chucking 20 three's per game.

Also, since guys play all different minutes, I'm going to use stats on a per 36 minutes basis.

Player Stats (max ranges):

FGA per 36 min: 21 - 26
Max last year: 23.2 (Giannis)
Note: Remember that FTA's don't get counted in FGA's. So Giannis basically took 23 FGA plus almost 12 FTA per 36 mins last year. 12 FTA's would equal to 6 extra shot attempts if we assume they are two point shots and non and-1's.

3PA per 36 min: 10 - 15
Max last year: 12.2 (Harden)

FTA per 36 min: 14 - 19
Max last year: 11.8 (Giannis)

REB per 36 min: 13 - 19
Max last year: 16.6 (Drummond)


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Tendencies:

Good stat breakdown for shot tendencies by team here: <a href="https://go.nba.com/w2qx">https://go.nba.com/w2qx</a>

Gotta go through it and break it down in the future.
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Maybe I'll come back to add more relevant stats to strive for, or even post a set of sliders myself at a later date. But in the meantime, hopefully this is helpful for someone (besides myself) trying to create a "realistic" game.


Sliders I am using (to be updated later):

Spoiler

This is just how I play. Credit goes to <a href="https://forums.operationsports.com/forums/nba-2k-basketball-sliders/978916-nba-2k21-eccentric-edition-next-gen-slider-set.html" target="_blank">EccentricMeat's Sliders</a> that I used as a base before tweaking.

This is Next-Gen btw...

This set is NOT recommended for camera angles such as 2K Cam, High, or any other camera angle that does not represent a "side view" of the court

Camera: Nosebleeds, Zoom: 1, Height: 4
Broadcast angle can also work here.

Game Speed - 50

CONTROLLER SETTINGS
Shot Timing - Real Player %
FT Timing - Real Player %
Pro Stick Orientation - Absolute
Help Defense Button Function - Call for Help
Pro Stick Defense - Absolute
Defensive Assist with Intense-D - 0 (you can try increasing by increments of 5 if you have trouble sticking in front of your man)
Boxout Assist Strength - 50
Pass Target Direction - 85
Pass Target Distance - 5
Pass Target Openness - 10


COACH SETTINGS
Adaptive Coaching Engine - Offense & Defense
Substitution Method - Rotation
Offensive PlayVision - All Plays
PlayVision Display - Full
Playcalling Messages - Show All
Offense Playcalling - Auto
Defense Playcalling - Manual
Freelance Series Order - Dynamic
Freelance Series Repeat - No Not Repeat


SLIDERS
Base: Hall of Fame

OFFENSE User/CPU (both if only one listed)

FT Difficulty - 65
Inside Shot Success - 57/64
Close Shot Success - 58/65
Mid-Range Success - 68/75
3PT Success - 48/62
Layup Success - 52/60
Dunk in Traffic Freq. - 1
Dunk in Traffic Success - 50/54
Pass Accuracy - 45
Alley-Oop Success - 50/53
Contact Shot Success - 58/70
Ball Security - 35/30
Body-Up Sensitivity - 100
Pass Speed - 45/50


DEFENSE User/CPU (both if only one listed)

Driving Contact Shot Freq. - 100
Inside Contact Shot Freq. - 100
Layup Defense Strength (Takeoff) - 90/100
Layup Defense Strength (Release) - 75
Jump Shot Defense Strength (Takeoff) - 50/60
Jump Shot Defense Strength (Release) - 70/85
Help Defense Strength - 100
Steal Success - 35/45


ATTRIBUTES User/CPU (both if only one listed)

Acceleration - 20/25
Vertical - 25
Strength - 50
Stamina - 55
Speed - 47
Durability - 50
Hustle - 85/100
Ball Handling - 60
Hands - 100
Dunk Ability - 40
On-Ball Defense - 50/100
Stealing - 25/50
Blocking - 25/50
Off Awareness - 50/100
Def Awareness - 75/100
Off Rebounding - 25
Def Rebounding - 55/65
Off Consistency - 50
Def Consistency - 50/100
Fatigue Rate - 45
Lat Quickness - 75/100


TENDENCIES

Only ones that matter for User (if not listed, leave at 50):
Attempt Dunks: 50
Attempt Putbacks: 100
Play Passing Lanes: 75
Go for On-Ball Steals: 100
Contest Shots: 100
Backdoor Cuts: 50

For CPU only:
Take Inside Shots - 0
Take Close Shots - 20
Take Mid-Range Shots - 100
Take 3PT Shots - 45
Post Shots - 25
Attack the Basket - 70
Look for Post Players - 75
Throw Alley-Oops - 50
Attempt Dunks - 50
Attempt Putbacks - 100
Play Passing Lanes - 100
Go for On-Ball Steals - 100
Contest Shots - 100
Backdoor Cuts - 50


FOULS User/CPU (both if only one listed)

Over the Back - 100
Charging - 100
Blocking - 100
Reaching - 100
Shooting - 100/85
Loose Ball - 100
Illegal Screen - 100


MOVEMENT User/CPU (both if only one listed)

Speed with Ball (Max) - 60
Speed with Ball (Min) - 40
Acceleration with Ball (Max) - 60
Acceleration with Ball (Min) - 40
Speed without Ball (Max) - 85
Speed without Ball (Min) - 55
Acceleration without Ball (Max) - 85
Acceleration without Ball (Min) - 55


IN-GAME SETTINGS

Gameplan > Defensive Settings
Pre-Rotate - Yes (All)
Drive Help Rules - Help & No Rotation (All)
Double Team Perimeter - On Drive (All) (Do this if you're still having trouble containing the drive and want to see more kickouts)

Gameplan > Coaching Sliders
Help Defense - 100

Any recommendations for simulation mynba games to get realistic stats? I have teams score low in points in the paint, not getting but maybe 4pts in the fast break, and low fg per game (around 80ppg)?


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[qchris1]

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Any updates or is this MyNBA ready?

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