Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

[DC]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

I use all teams. I play against all teams. The game is flawed, that is why it is getting patched.

Yes I have set my profile to NEVER double. We went through this before. There was a long thread explaining that nothing fixes it.

I don't switch on defense. The CPU is just a damn ******** fool.

I am kinda glad my 360 is broke so I can play a fresh 2K10 when the patch comes out

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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all those games are customizable to get a more sim like experience, which is primarily stats, and flow. Out the box none of the games you mentioned accomplish this.
They all have sim like presentation but all the % 's are higher in every category, out the box. and thats intentional by all these titles that you mentioned.
hockey-.i.e more shots on goal, more goals, harder hits, highlite saves, etc
madden-higher completion rates, higher yard per carries, easier to break tackles, catches etc.

PES is the only title that did well, but that's because soccer is such a niche type sports. Those that seek out soccer games are really die hard soccer fans, you never hear casual sports fans talk about buying a soccer game. thats a major difference. plus soccer is the number 1 sport world wide. that titles sells better over seas thn it does in the states, same thing for FIFA. if these titles were for the American consumer, the play by play wouldn't be done by folks with European accents.

soccer is a methodically slow sport, sim is easy to achieve, in a game, that again is a niche sports in the states.

cost to profit ratio works for soccer., when it comes to sim. In other sports it doesn't.

out the box -guaranteed if the shooting % in basketball games dropped to the 40% range, less dunks, more fouls, higher fatigue rates happened out the box. sales for these titles would eventually drop.

more folsk would complain about gameplay. O.S sim heads and the like is small segment.
They have analysts for this stuff.

it's a better strategy the way that 2k and EA are taking.

Out of the box Madden is game where the casual gamer is going to have a tough time throwing deep. That wasnt always true but its true now. Out of the box NBA Live is a game where the casual gamer is going to have a tough time shooting over 55%(without shooting a lot of jumpers with a star) and getting a bunch of dunks. Thats been true since 2004. Its the same with Fifa, NHL 10 and to a lesser extent Fight Night. Sure the games are customizable but they generally play like the real sport in the sense that no one area is intentionally unbalanced in effort to trade authenticity for anything but ease of use.

*edit* why are you calling soccer a niche sport. In the last few years Fifa has been right there with Madden sales. I think it sold more this year.

[INVALID]

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Did defense get better from last year? Yes

How close is it to representing the NBA? 67%

I don't care about passes get into the paint. I care about how I depend the pick n roll, who doubles the post, who matches up on who (it would be nice if the CPU recognized the offense/defense matchups).

This game gets better every year.

Personally, Pick and roll was not a problem for me last year, this year I've tested so many equations and situations I've rarely even noticed how the CPU handles it. I'm going to imagine I've rarely been picked. That's how much time a person is having to put into this. If a person is too busy checking and verifying issues in the game, how can it be enjoyed.

Big issue I still have with this game is a person MUST either press the oppositions point guard up the court or control the point guard first to prevent the Center/Power Forward mismatch every play.

Which team are you using DC?

Because I rarely get unwanted doubles in the post using the Jazz.

Have you set your own coach settings to not double team?

I've given up Coach Settings as the computer handles it's own settings better. I think it's unfortunate I cannot revert the team to how I want it without a support piece falling. I'd have to choose a different team to accomplish what you're stating.

I use all teams. I play against all teams. The game is flawed, that is why it is getting patched.

Yes I have set my profile to NEVER double. We went through this before. There was a long thread explaining that nothing fixes it.

I don't switch on defense. The CPU is just a damn ******** fool.

I am kinda glad my 360 is broke so I can play a fresh 2K10 when the patch comes out

I consider you lucky.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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I could yarn a bowling ball about whats wrong with the defense but really its better than 2k9. In 2k9 I felt like I was the mercy of my opponent no matter what strategy I used. A big man like Garnett could spin from one end of the court to the other and score, Yao Ming’s hesitation move was unreal. A good three point shooter could sit at the three point line and pump fake for open looks. 2k10s defense is soft, 2k9s made RuPaul look like Ray Lewis. The pass defense was just as broken in 2k9 but it was one of many exploits.

After you get past the killer hook shots that every half decent offensive player in the game has, and the horrific pass defense you have a game that’s much improved defensively. In 2k10 I can play off ball and limit the paint abuse. In 2k10 I win about 65% of my games and the shooting percentages are lower than they were in 2k9. So from my perspective the defense is flat out better but where its weak its really weak and compensating for that weakness drags a lot of other things down.

[tril]

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Out of the box Madden is game where the casual gamer is going to have a tough time throwing deep. That wasnt always true but its true now. Out of the box NBA Live is a game where the casual gamer is going to have a tough time shooting over 55%(without shooting a lot of jumpers with a star) and getting a bunch of dunks. Thats been true since 2004. Its the same with Fifa, NHL 10 and to a lesser extent Fight Night. Sure the games are customizable but they generally play like the real sport in the sense that no one area is intentionally unbalanced in effort to trade authenticity for anything but ease of use.

*edit* why are you calling soccer a niche sport. In the last few years Fifa has been right there with Madden sales. I think it sold more this year.

reread my posts. The soccer titles sell more cause its an international sport. soccer is the #1 sport world wide. I stated this.

other than that I disagree with your posts.

These companies market sim style presentation as a sim like experience.

if Kobe or Lebron shot 40% out the box the game would be viewed as a bust. If Manny couldnt crush homers out the box, again the game would be a bust.

again there. are more causal sports gamers and fans than there are hard core sim guys like you or myself, that really care about the x's and o's.

its all about customization. Just based off of this site if I were a company I could get get the best of both worlds. Ill market a sim presentation, with bloated %'s, and let the true sim heads customize the sliders.

causal gamers will not waste their time doing this. theyll just say the game is broken or something and move on to the next thing.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Funny how when one person says they're not having an issue in a game, someone else tries their best to TELL them that it is broke.

Person A: "I'm not seeing this issue that you are saying is broken."

Person B: "Man it is broke, TRUST me when I say it is. It is a FACT."

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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reread my posts. The soccer titles sell more cause its an international sport. soccer is the #1 sport world wide. I stated this.

other than that I disagree with your posts.

These companies market sim style presentation as a sim like experience.

if Kobe or Lebron shot 40% out the box the game would be viewed as a bust. If Manny couldnt crush homers out the box, again the game would be a bust.

again there. are more causal sports gamers and fans than there are hard core sim guys like you or myself, that really care about the x's and o's.

its all about customization. Just based off of this site if I were a company I could get get the best of both worlds. Ill market a sim presentation, with bloated %'s, and let the true sim heads customize the sliders.

causal gamers will not waste their time doing this. theyll just say the game is broken or something and move on to the next thing.

So a soccer game can sell with 1-0 scores but a basketball game cant sell with realistic shot percentages?

That makes no sense. What the hell does does international appeal have to do with anything? You want to see casual gamers? Go to Germany, go to Japan. They are no different than the States.

Kobe and LeBron shot 45 and 48%. All I'm saying is you dont need to inlfate that. If someone takes smart shots with good matchups then thats +%50% if they take bad shots then thats -40%. As long as the CPU isnt juiced like 2k10 with Reynaldo Balkman making 50%+ of open shots then its not going to be too difficult. People are paying 60 bucks for an NBA game and thats what they shoot in the NBA. The buyers today have as much knowledge of the sport as the people who buy Fifa and PES. I'm sure they can get over Kobe having a 8-22 game when they are taking bad shots or he is having an occasional shooting lapse. Thats basketball. Thats what they paid 60 dollars for.

[Panzeh]

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I think players tend to take much better shots in video game basketball than what happens in real life because of the unrealistic court vision. This is not really a solvable problem, so video game basketball is generally going to be more efficient.

In real basketball we don't have our heads on a constant swivel ready to spot any open man, players driving to score IRL often leave wide open 3 point shooters that a player will often pass to.

[TheSolutionKMH]

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personally me i couldnt buy a basketball that has realistic shooting percentage cause i know it will be boring. thats i feel live is weak cause it went TOO SIM as far as shooting percentage, and i played it a couple and i got bored playing the DEMO. i watch the NBA and i dont want to shoot like the REAL NBA shoots, it frustrates me when i see players shooting under 40% so why would i want my video game to reflects when video games are to design to be FANTASY.

[tril]

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So a soccer game can sell with 1-0 scores but a basketball game cant sell with realistic shot percentages?

That makes no sense. What the hell does does international appeal have to do with anything? You want to see casual gamers? Go to Germany, go to Japan. They are no different than the States.

Kobe and LeBron shot 45 and 48%. All I'm saying is you dont need to inlfate that. If someone takes smart shots with good matchups then thats +%50% if they take bad shots then thats -40%. As long as the CPU isnt juiced like 2k10 with Reynaldo Balkman making 50%+ of open shots then its not going to be too difficult. People are paying 60 bucks for an NBA game and thats what they shoot in the NBA. The buyers today have as much knowledge of the sport as the people who buy Fifa and PES. I'm sure they can get over Kobe having a 8-22 game when they are taking bad shots or he is having an occasional shooting lapse. Thats basketball. Thats what they paid 60 dollars for.

All Im saying 2k and EA sports business model works fine for the general public as a whole.

again most casual sports fans and gamers out there want the high flying dunks and high shooting %'s. its more appealing to shoot in the 60/70% range for casual sports gamers.

and speaking of soccer, scores out he box of PES, and FIFA may fall in the 2-4 goal range, but straight out the box, shots on goal are high, dribbling or controling the ball running up the enitre field happens all the time, and shots on goal are higher than the norm.

all sports games have inflated stats and %'s, out the box. causal sports fans and gamers only remember the highlights. and what better way to appeal to a broader audience than to give them sim sports presentation, with the action giiving you 60-70% of the gameplay being highlights and inflated stats.

If they market and truely make a game for true sim heads these companies will lose money.

Im done.

[Scrooge]

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thread is a lie
no way in your playing on hall of fame and looking closely at replays
the rotations are horrible because its always the wrong man who rotates
you dont help off ray allen to run behind someone in the paint and not even get a decent contest

transition defense is equally as bad 2
dont understand how something as fundamental to basketball as defense is broken

[jeebs9]

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Wow....I actually like 2k10 Defense to 2k9. If your patient...you will be rewarded.

But it does need tweaking. And I said it before. If you watch if from third persons view.

[gsyleos]

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You all must have in mind that most people dont have the time to play 12,11,10,9 min qrts. So when people play mostly 5-6 min qrts then the shooting percentages must be higher then real life.

If you want to play a 10 min association then just turn down the shot accuracy and it should solve the problem. That is why 2K allows you to tweek the sliders.

[jeebs9]

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You all must have in mind that most people dont have the time to play 12,11,10,9 min qrts. So when people play mostly 5-6 min qrts then the shooting percentages must be higher then real life.

If you want to play a 10 min association then just turn down the shot accuracy and it should solve the problem. That is why 2K allows you to tweek the sliders.

^^Exactly^^

[Kully]

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That doesn't explain the weird doubling and poor CPU rotations that should be fixed with the patch.

I haven't had the greatest experience with 2K10 (it was literally unplayable due to freezing and such), but I keep playing it. The game must be doing something right.

I realy hope the patch comes through for defense.