The Official Rate My Trade Thread

[Pook]

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Kings (me) receive: Russel Westbrook and 2010/2011 first round pick

Thunder receive: Demarcus Cousins

Thoughts???

[bobcats55]

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Kings (me) receive: Russel Westbrook and 2010/2011 first round pick

Thunder receive: Demarcus Cousins

Thoughts???

I like it for both teams. Westbrook will be the solid PG you need to let Reke got to the SG slot, and Cousins gives OKC just what they need in a young solid center. They'll bump Harden up to starting SG and then move Nate to the PG and go from there. I can see how this trade would be logical.

Need suggestions. I just had the game of my life with Boris Diaw so I may be looking to head to a future of Diaw and without Tyrus Thomas. This would mean I would need to deal him away. How would I do so realisticly? Any thoughts?

[Pook]

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Need suggestions. I just had the game of my life with Boris Diaw so I may be looking to head to a future of Diaw and without Tyrus Thomas. This would mean I would need to deal him away. How would I do so realisticly? Any thoughts?

I would get a center like Varejao or a SF like Gallinari or if you're lucky add some draft picks and try to get Paul George but that a long shot.

[bichettehappens]

Kings (me) receive: Russel Westbrook and 2010/2011 first round pick

Thunder receive: Demarcus Cousins

Thoughts???

I don't like the Kings getting a pick in that deal, but I like the deal outside of that.

[Pook]

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I don't like the Kings getting a pick in that deal, but I like the deal outside of that.

Why not???? Because I also got a 2nd round pick too...

[bichettehappens]

Why not???? Because I also got a 2nd round pick too...

I don't feel Cousins is worth an established, possibly top 5 point guard AND a first round pick, unless they were getting another valuable piece in the deal as well.

Only way I can see something like that happening is if it is Westbrook's contract year and he's made it clear he won't resign, but even then they could get good value in return without giving up a first rounder. I think the deal would be pretty even without the first round pick included though.

[mvspree8]

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I don't feel Cousins is worth an established, possibly top 5 point guard AND a first round pick, unless they were getting another valuable piece in the deal as well.

Only way I can see something like that happening is if it is Westbrook's contract year and he's made it clear he won't resign, but even then they could get good value in return without giving up a first rounder. I think the deal would be pretty even without the first round pick included though.

I think it's a great deal for OKC. They could very easily make a trade for a guy like Jameer Nelson that might be a better fit next to Durant, and if you go a couple of years ahead, Cousins develops into a 90+OVR center that's a monster on the block and defensively.

Kings aren't getting enough IYAM. Getting a guy that won't mesh well with Evans and a draft pick that's probably #25 overall or lower. I think they should be getting a package like Westbrook/Ibaka/1st or even two 1sts to make this fair.

[Pook]

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Kings aren't getting enough IYAM. Getting a guy that won't mesh well with Evans and a draft pick that's probably #25 overall or lower. I think they should be getting a package like Westbrook/Ibaka/1st or even two 1sts to make this fair.

I ended up getting Ibaka for Thompson or somebody. And there is around 95% team chemistry for my team.

[RedSceptile]

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I think it's a great deal for OKC. They could very easily make a trade for a guy like Jameer Nelson that might be a better fit next to Durant, and if you go a couple of years ahead, Cousins develops into a 90+OVR center that's a monster on the block and defensively.

Kings aren't getting enough IYAM. Getting a guy that won't mesh well with Evans and a draft pick that's probably #25 overall or lower. I think they should be getting a package like Westbrook/Ibaka/1st or even two 1sts to make this fair.

Again the point here is Westbrook is already an ESTABLISHED fringe-SuperStar while Cousins is a work in progress. If you want to to on OVR alone by his next season Westbrook is usually a 91+ and end up being a 98 at his peak. He can turn into a consistent 25 ppg 6-8 boards and 7+ asts with a nice steal and block total for a Point Guard. He's in that same Athletic freak Point Guard mold as Derrick Rose and John Wall and he's a Star in the league not SuperStar yet but definite Star. Straight up it isn't even close to a fair trade, Westbrook is one of the young soon to be Superstars in the league regardless of which you cut it. The Kings would have to give up ALOT more than Cousins to get Westbrook period.

[mvspree8]

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I guess I didn't consider the fact that you're probably using different rosters than I am. I'm using tweaked KG rosters and for me, Westbrook is currently an 84 and peaks at about 89-90, whereas Cousins is usually close to the best player in the entire league by the time he peaks (usually the 4th-5th season).

And I'll take a good center over a good PG 10 times out of 10.

[Suntan Superman]

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Pulled the trigger on it. What are you guys' thoughts on this trade?

Bobcats receive: Dorrel Wright, '11 1st Round GSW
GSW receive: D.J. Augistine

Thoughts?

I guess my biggest issue with it is that Wrights starts at SF for GSW, and Augustin would be a backup behind Curry, so my question is, if you're GSW would you do this trade? Trade a starter and a first round pick for a backup(albeit a good backup)

Kings (me) receive: Russel Westbrook and 2010/2011 first round pick

Thunder receive: Demarcus Cousins

Thoughts???

First I think everyone in Sacremento just quit basketball. Westbrook and Evans on the same team would not be my ideal scenario if I was a 3/4/5 on that team, I don't know how many times I could see one of those two drive to the hoop and miss the finish before I'd just just punch one of them. Either way, I don't like the trade from any perspective. This doesn't make the Thunder any better as they have a solid starting five, and the aforementioned issues with the Kings. Plus giving up a pick when you're not getting the best player in the trade is just iffy.

I think it's a great deal for OKC. They could very easily make a trade for a guy like Jameer Nelson that might be a better fit next to Durant, and if you go a couple of years ahead, Cousins develops into a 90+OVR center that's a monster on the block and defensively.

Kings aren't getting enough IYAM. Getting a guy that won't mesh well with Evans and a draft pick that's probably #25 overall or lower. I think they should be getting a package like Westbrook/Ibaka/1st or even two 1sts to make this fair.

I could never disagree more, If they wanted a PG who would fit better, it would be someone like a Jason Kidd clone. Jameer isn't quite the passer I'd want around Durant. Also, the other issue with your analysis(IMO) is that you can't use knowledge that we don't technically know to evaluate a trade. Much like a trade earlier in this thread, We don't know that Cousins is going to be a beast, right now he's still an immature guy who rubs people like Zach Randolph did back in the day. Someone like that isn't worth Westbrook and a first, let alone a package of two starters and a first or two firsts. Potential is nice and all, but a team like the Thunder right now would be more inclined to add a veteran presence, not someone like Cousins.

I guess I didn't consider the fact that you're probably using different rosters than I am. I'm using tweaked KG rosters and for me, Westbrook is currently an 84 and peaks at about 89-90, whereas Cousins is usually close to the best player in the entire league by the time he peaks (usually the 4th-5th season).

And I'll take a good center over a good PG 10 times out of 10.

See but as much as potential is nice, you have to evaluate the trade based on what is currently known. I'd take an established PG over a project C 10 times out of 10 personally.

[RedSceptile]

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Yeah I guess on those rosters but I doubt he's using the Roster set you're using as a majority of people are probably using the regular rosters with specific Slider Sets at best.

[mvspree8]

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I guess my biggest issue with it is that Wrights starts at SF for GSW, and Augustin would be a backup behind Curry, so my question is, if you're GSW would you do this trade? Trade a starter and a first round pick for a backup(albeit a good backup)

First I think everyone in Sacremento just quit basketball. Westbrook and Evans on the same team would not be my ideal scenario if I was a 3/4/5 on that team, I don't know how many times I could see one of those two drive to the hoop and miss the finish before I'd just just punch one of them. Either way, I don't like the trade from any perspective. This doesn't make the Thunder any better as they have a solid starting five, and the aforementioned issues with the Kings. Plus giving up a pick when you're not getting the best player in the trade is just iffy.

I could never disagree more, If they wanted a PG who would fit better, it would be someone like a Jason Kidd clone. Jameer isn't quite the passer I'd want around Durant. Also, the other issue with your analysis(IMO) is that you can't use knowledge that we don't technically know to evaluate a trade. Much like a trade earlier in this thread, We don't know that Cousins is going to be a beast, right now he's still an immature guy who rubs people like Zach Randolph did back in the day. Someone like that isn't worth Westbrook and a first, let alone a package of two starters and a first or two firsts. Potential is nice and all, but a team like the Thunder right now would be more inclined to add a veteran presence, not someone like Cousins.

See but as much as potential is nice, you have to evaluate the trade based on what is currently known. I'd take an established PG over a project C 10 times out of 10 personally.

Except in this game we DO know potential. Save a severe, severe injury where the player misses a lot of time, we know that Cousins is going to pan out.

I'd probably make the trade in real life too considering how selfishly and poorly Westbrook was in the WCF and with how tough it is to find legit franchise centers. I might whiff on the trade, but I also don't think the Thunder can win it all with Durant and Westbrook unless one or both of them significantly alter their games.

[RedSceptile]

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Well you've gotta be fair Westbrook is 22 years old and still maturing he had a stellar season and will continue to improve. As I said he's one of those new breed big athletic Point Guards that plays stellar Defense. Sure he took ill advised shots but be realistic what other player in history hasn't tried to be a hero for his team and play selfishly? I can name a load of guys who took the shot when they shouldn't have. As Magic Johnson said he's only going to get better so I think it's pretty unfair to call him out on doing that when there are so many players in just league history who've made a living out of taking these shots (and missing some as well). I'd rather have the guy with the guts to take that shot than not take it at all.

[Suntan Superman]

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Except in this game we DO know potential. Save a severe, severe injury where the player misses a lot of time, we know that Cousins is going to pan out.

I'd probably make the trade in real life too considering how selfishly and poorly Westbrook was in the WCF and with how tough it is to find legit franchise centers. I might whiff on the trade, but I also don't think the Thunder can win it all with Durant and Westbrook unless one or both of them significantly alter their games.

But assuming we're actually attempting to make our games realistic, we can't use that knowledge, for all intents and purposes, its akin to just trade overriding everything.

As previously stated Westbrook is 22, and still has time to grow, and become a better decision maker. I would NOT evaluate him on just one seven game series. And I have huge doubts on Cousins being a legit "franchise" center, between his attitude and his character problems, I'm not sure I'd like him on my team. I think the Thunder can definitely win it, especially with the team they have now, they have a great lineup, Perkins and Ibaka on the inside aren't horribly efficient offensively, but with some seasoning, that's going to be a killer interior D combo, Westbrooks tenacious D next to Harden's great D, is also a great combo, add in the offensive capabilities of Harden's 3, Westbrook's potential to actually become a good finisher, or Stockton like drive and dish to Durant/Harden, or just draw a big off of Ibaka/Perkins to get them open and you have a nice team. Add in potential trades of Maynor or Robinson(drafting Jackson has to spell the end for one of them) for most likely a backup big or 3, and it's a nice bench too with your requisite defender in Sefolosha, glue guy, hard worker in Collison, and a developing center in Aldrich(will never be a star, but I think will be a Pachulia-like big off the bench) Right now, they just need time to grow and mature as a team, they may not keep everyone, but their blueprint right now is great.


Wow, that's a wall of text, but still, if I'm Sam Presti, I'm not trading Westbrook for Cousins.