The turnovers are a bit ridiculous

[Flightwhite24]

Re: The turnovers are a bit ridiculous

After averaging 20+ TO's a game I had a game this morning with only 7. This on Pro/Sim. I took every possesion seriously for the whole 48 min.

Gotta say I hope 2K does not go tweaking things because of the complaints. Play the game making smart decisions and the to's will come down. Peace!!!!

[rckabillyRaider]

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I agree that there are plenty of turnovers.....if you don't pass the ball smart. Example: You gotta work the ball around the perimeter now. You can't just get around the perimeter in one pass anymore.

I'm starting to get 2k10 out of my system now. Getting better with 2K11's mechanics and strategy.

[joel0078]

Re: The turnovers are a bit ridiculous

I only use icon passing. I have no problems hitting guys inside, creating angles off of movement, etc.

I'm talking about going from inside to outside, kicking it back out to the perimeter. I try using icon lead passing to move my player out from behind the defender and they just stay stationary.

The pass logic on kick outs just needs a bit of work. Guys shouldn't be chest passing back out to the perimeter on resets off offensive boards.

It's not a game killing issue or anything, it just requires dribbling out a bit with bigs and hoping the guys on the perimeter start moving so you can actually lead them somewhere.

It would be much better passing out of the post if you could lead guys left and right on the perimeter even when they're stationary.

I read an old article from summer where the developers were saying "total control passing" was going to be a must this year. Icon passing is a problem when trying to work around the perimeter. I have much better results using the total control passing.

And to the OP, while there are A LOT of steals happening, (to me as well), it really is nothing more than bad passing habits created by previous versions of this game that allowed users to be successful in playing that way. You have to change your ways and the types of passes your throwing around.

[michaeljordanjr]

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Whoever thinks this is sim is out of their mind.

The passes go directly into the chests of the opponent. Every pass whether short, smart long or whatever is tipped or stolen.

No one at 2K play tests NBA 2K because this happens every year.

The A.I. logic programmers should be fired. There are no bounce or lob passes. Everything is identical.

The momentum system is straight out of a stephen king book, its not physics or weight, it feels like 20 lb bricks are on every player.

This is the most frustrating game since NBA 2K9.

I'm going to make a huge mock video of all the problems in this game to shed light on the fact that people who are complaining are not noob non-sim players. I've been playing this game since Dreamcast, hardcore and know the ins and outs. 2K just continues to ride their inferior logic engine both A.I., passing etc..'

You can't even move in the direction you want without the bricks weighing you down. Take a spinning hard drive and move it up down left right, thats exactly what it feels like to play NBA 2K now.

Makes me just want to go to the gym and play 5 on 5 so I can actually feel real movement.

My only wish is to sit down with these developers and play with them so I can demonstrate what Quality Assurance play testing really is. And maybe by pointing out these problems on the fly they will be apt to change them

Unless they know about it and shelved it , put off, for a different year...

And to the OP, while there are A LOT of steals happening, (to me as well), it really is nothing more than bad passing habits created by previous versions of this game that allowed users to be successful in playing that way. You have to change your ways and the types of passes your throwing around.

Bad habits? How are we supposed to adapt to flawed programming habits? If I cant perform a smart pass how can I fall into a good habit? Show me how to perform a bounce pass on command at a speed of my choosing. Instead I get a telegraphed chest passed into the opponent.

[michaeljordanjr]

Re: The turnovers are a bit ridiculous

I agree that there are plenty of turnovers.....if you don't pass the ball smart. Example: You gotta work the ball around the perimeter now. You can't just get around the perimeter in one pass anymore.

I'm starting to get 2k10 out of my system now. Getting better with 2K11's mechanics and strategy.

Yes this is how it should be. But that doesnt account for the fact that in real life, every defensive player is not aware of the ball, its trajectory and how to intercept it instantaneously upon it flying passed him/her.

I pass around the perimeter, guess what? They still intercept it behind their backs!!!!
Does this not make sense to anyone?

[joel0078]

Re: The turnovers are a bit ridiculous

Whoever thinks this is sim is out of their mind.

The passes go directly into the chests of the opponent. Every pass whether short, smart long or whatever is tipped or stolen.

No one at 2K play tests NBA 2K because this happens every year.

The A.I. logic programmers should be fired. There are no bounce or lob passes. Everything is identical.

The momentum system is straight out of a stephen king book, its not physics or weight, it feels like 20 lb bricks are on every player.

This is the most frustrating game since NBA 2K9.

I'm going to make a huge mock video of all the problems in this game to shed light on the fact that people who are complaining are not noob non-sim players. I've been playing this game since Dreamcast, hardcore and know the ins and outs. 2K just continues to ride their inferior logic engine both A.I., passing etc..'

You can't even move in the direction you want without the bricks weighing you down. Take a spinning hard drive and move it up down left right, thats exactly what it feels like to play NBA 2K now.

Makes me just want to go to the gym and play 5 on 5 so I can actually feel real movement.

My only wish is to sit down with these developers and play with them so I can demonstrate what Quality Assurance play testing really is. And maybe by pointing out these problems on the fly they will be apt to change them

Unless they know about it and shelved it , put off, for a different year...



Bad habits? How are we supposed to adapt to flawed programming habits? If I cant perform a smart pass how can I fall into a good habit? Show me how to perform a bounce pass on command at a speed of my choosing. Instead I get a telegraphed chest passed into the opponent.

The user in no way shape or form can play 2k11 the same way you could in any previous version, end of story....Ala BAD HABITS. If you can't fix your bad habits then you'll never like the game. You just keep throwing those cross court passes and you'll just keep getting picked. Same thing if you throw a pass from any other poor angle. Also take into account who's making the pass, as well as the defensive iq of the defender. You've been playing this game to long not understand this stuff. Your rant just reminded me of all the guys who complained when they took the accuracy out of those full court passes that used to irritate the hell out of most users... The sooner you complainers realize that you're not playing smart basketball and then change that up, the easier the game will be.

You're talking about poor movement from the players, feeling like bricks in their shoes....Get outta here dude! You couldn't be more off base on that. This is the smoothest the players have ever moved in this series. I'd say you're take on this game is undoubtedly in the minority. This game is the best 2k to date, period. I don't even know what you're talking about saying there are no bounce passes. I am CONSTANTLY getting bounce passes and they are happening at the right times too. Into the post, on the cut and so on. Unfortunately, there is no "user controlled" bounce pass. The AI decides when it's done and thus far, I have had very little to complain about. I don't know why this is such a shock to you? No one ever said bounce passes were user controlled, did they? In terms of you saying this isn't "sim", then you should go play Live I guess, then come back to reality. I'm personally having a great time and the best results playing on default style. The "sim" setting is tough and def needs adjusting. But its the 3rd day this games been out....You're losing your mind already. You go ahead and make that trumped up video to show everyone....While you're doing that, everyone else will be enjoying their game.

[Skyboxer]

Re: The turnovers are a bit ridiculous

Thats an insult to the NCAA. NBA 2k10's pass defense was so poor that we took it for granted when they were just half bad.

http://community.2ksports.com/community/media/viewer.cfm?mediaid=2115404

This was 2k10 being half bad but we didnt complain about this.

It was a relationship comparison not a quality of game statement...

[Enzo599]

Re: The turnovers are a bit ridiculous

Yes this is how it should be. But that doesnt account for the fact that in real life, every defensive player is not aware of the ball, its trajectory and how to intercept it instantaneously upon it flying passed him/her.

I pass around the perimeter, guess what? They still intercept it behind their backs!!!!
Does this not make sense to anyone?

All your statements are 100% rite man and every body is blah blah blah play better and smarter? Wrong! The game is not perfect Every player should not be darrelle revis sorry! It's the same as madden with the db animation sucks the ball in when the cpu wants it. same in 2k the CPU get the ball whenever they want it's like ever player has a db awareness."child please"

[Armor and Sword]

Re: The turnovers are a bit ridiculous

I will just echo so many that have already stated this.

Practice....practice...practice.


This game is amazing. It takes work. If you want lower down the defensive awareness and Blocking passing lane ability a few notches. You have to really focus on your angles and you can't throw lazy passes. Yes there are some moments with stick passing it does not go where you want. But overall the game is just a joy.


Please 2K do not patch this game.


It is fantastic out of the box.

Outstanding Job!!!

[Armor and Sword]

Re: The turnovers are a bit ridiculous

All your statements are 100% rite man and every body is blah blah blah play better and smarter? Wrong! The game is not perfect Every player should not be darrelle revis sorry! It's the same as madden with the db animation sucks the ball in when the cpu wants it. same in 2k the CPU get the ball whenever they want it's like ever player has a db awareness."child please"

It's a video game. It will never be perfect. These are AI bots posing as humans.


It is what it is. Adapt, adjust. But for the love of god don't force them to patch and screw something else up.

The game is sick.

[Earl1963]

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I traded in my copy of 2k11. Team mates didn't come back to my passes, they just stood there. I have more fun playing Live10, and I cant wait for NBA Jams for PS3.

[threes_co]

Re: The turnovers are a bit ridiculous

I traded in my copy of 2k11. Team mates didn't come back to my passes, they just stood there. I have more fun playing Live10, and I cant wait for NBA Jams for PS3.

That's really a shame, man. 2K11's a great game.

Oh well, to each his own.

[Fiasco West]

Re: The turnovers are a bit ridiculous

I will just echo so many that have already stated this.

Practice....practice...practice.


This game is amazing. It takes work. If you want lower down the defensive awareness and Blocking passing lane ability a few notches. You have to really focus on your angles and you can't throw lazy passes. Yes there are some moments with stick passing it does not go where you want. But overall the game is just a joy.


Please 2K do not patch this game.


It is fantastic out of the box.

Outstanding Job!!!

Yep, out of the box this game is amazing. Playing on All-star Sim and really I personally can't understand people that say this game isn't sim.

The passing on Sim is difficult guys, it's not cheesing or cheating you, it just makes you pay for making careless passes.

Careless pass = Just passing it around without caring where the defenders are.

I want to echo your thoughts though DON'T PATCH THE GAMEPLAY! It's fine and I feel like everyone complaining should mess with their options until they find a setting for them.

[Earl1963]

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That's really a shame, man. 2K11's a great game.

Oh well, to each his own.

Defenders that have eyes in the back of their heads is not sim in my opinion. It's Alien.

[michaeljordanjr]

Re: The turnovers are a bit ridiculous

It's a video game. It will never be perfect. These are AI bots posing as humans.


It is what it is. Adapt, adjust. But for the love of god don't force them to patch and screw something else up.

The game is sick.

Really? You're not upset that 90% of the time online there is no help defense, there is no defensive switching.

I've had guys stand in the corner not doing anything on defense and the SG would be wide open.

Literally everygame, if I pick up the PG full court and let him pass, my entire team will stay on their guys(with sag off on everypalyer) and not notice the pg drive for a layup. This is elementary stuff..

You're not frustrated when guys catch a ball in the post, pump fake then take 3 seconds to move out of an awkward, momentum, 2P driven animation and by that time the defense regrouped?

The players and their bricks slow the game down, make it impossible to move quickly and smoothly from move to move. I've never moved in one direction smoothly without stuttering or lagging in some way.

Don't get me started on defense in the game. It doesnt exist. All that exists is getting sucked into the guy youre guarding and doing something you didnt want to do even without pressing buttons.

And blocking is the worst blocking system I've seen in a basketball game. Its absolutely impossible to do a timed block. You'll get stuck in an animation, not jump high at all or not come close to the ball despite timing and positioning yourself perfectly.

I could write a 300 page novel on whats wrong with NBA 2K.

What justified $60 was the historic teams, and they always knew that once we got historic teams it would be the best title for that alone.

Oh and the biggest gripe? Calling plays - after your guy curls around staggered screens his defender catches up instantly. It's completely a useless system in the sense that its ineffective. I ran 20 plays in a row, none of them had any effect as the other teammates just stand there.

So much false advertising this year, its insane.

And fanboys who see nothing wrong with the game, don't quote or respond to me. I'm a veteran of the series who is not going to post for the sake of posting. I'm on here because the game is more frustrating than I've endured in the past.

You can debate practice and smart play all you want. The game itself isnt smart, its not smart enough for smart players, this is what I've learned. I played varsity basketball, college university basketball. It's my life. And never has a basketball game been able to keep up with my input commands. My simulation style play.

2K11 needs new logic programmers. New A.I. programmers. Guys who don't take shortcuts.