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    Legen - WAIT FOR IT
    • Feb 2003
    • 39337

    #31
    Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

    Fair enough! Your points make sense. Gives me an idea for a feature...
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    • fluent2332
      MVP
      • Aug 2005
      • 1735

      #32
      Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

      Originally posted by dochalladay32
      I wish it had both. For someone like my dad, he is much more used to the timing of his own shot from playing years with me on games. But I can see how the realism comes in to match each player, but the problem is that there are 100's of players. I played a game as the Celtics and I had no problem with Allen's shot, but it seems I was always too early on Paul Pierce's jump shots and I was early or late with Garnett's. I could never get a rhythm because it's different for every single player.
      Its a matter of realism vs fun. Of course different players have different release points but in a videogame I want to be the one who determines the release of the shot. Its been in 2k7,8,9 and before and the game didnt seem broken. The satisfaction of a made shot is that much higher when you were the one timing the release right rather than watching a predetermined animation where you have to guess when the player releases the shot. It just takes the fun out of jump shooting for me personally.
      I agree 100%. I think 2k overdid it with the "every player has a different release point". In real life these guys are automatic and release the shot the same way every time, why should it matter in the game when you release it? It's impossible to get in a rhythm shooting the ball because it's too hard to account for all possible releases, especially a team who you haven't played one billion games with. And don't tell me you yourself have mastered the releases, it's impossible. In the heat of the game I know you too are jacking up red bricks because it's just too hard to time every shot. I just think they overdid it, and it needs to change back to how it's been for years. Who was actually clamoring to get this feature added in the first place? Let's make the game less fun and more tedious and add different release points for each player, that are tricky as hell to master, that will teach them!!! They're gonna love their 1-19 games from the 3 point line!!! Mwahahaha!!!

      Note, when I play the CPU I play with real FG % on , and it makes a huge difference for me. All of a sudden the game is rewarding you more for getting to an open spot, rather then hitting the release correctly. I'd rather be rewarded for ball movement and finding the open shots against the defense myself.

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      • Pared
        Legen - WAIT FOR IT
        • Feb 2003
        • 39337

        #33
        Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

        Originally posted by fluent2332
        It's impossible to get in a rhythm shooting the ball because it's too hard to account for all possible releases, especially a team who you haven't played one billion games with...
        For you. A majority of the people that play this game like this implementation.

        Don't use your inability to understand it as away to slight it. As I mentioned earlier, the current implementation is grounded in a realistic idea as opposed to what others "prefer."
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        • Redacted01
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2007
          • 10316

          #34
          Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

          Success!!! I finally won a game playing like I was supposed to. Beat the Mavs 104-90 with the Thunder and went off with Kevin Durant. Finally outscored a team in the paint. I was able to control the fast break. I was able to draw fouls reasonably. Got 4 on Dirk even. Went 11/20 from 3-land, but that is partially because Durant got hot in the 4th and scored 24 points. 51 points, 10 rebounds and 7 assists for Durant. 27 points and 18 assists for Westbrook. Man it felt amazing! A few games like this and I feel like I can start working in my own plays. Shot 47% as a team, 41/86; Dallas was 44%, 33/74. So both teams have a reasonable number of field goals. The stats are pretty good here. I had a few games where field goals were getting into the 90's, but I think that is because I was not fouling at all. I was outrebounded, but I think it is justified as I took 12 more shots. I felt like I played better defense and the offense seemed to really flow. Hopefully calling my own plays won't kill that here soon.

          One question I do have is why the gametrack and the hot zones are missing information? Durant was 19-38, but his hot zones only show 9 missed shots. The game track does the same thing. Is it a glitch, or does it just not show all information for some reason.
          Last edited by Redacted01; 05-19-2011, 03:32 PM. Reason: Added a question

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          • fluent2332
            MVP
            • Aug 2005
            • 1735

            #35
            Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

            Originally posted by Pared
            For you. A majority of the people that play this game like this implementation.

            Don't use your inability to understand it as away to slight it. As I mentioned earlier, the current implementation is grounded in a realistic idea as opposed to what others "prefer."
            I wouldn't say I have an inability to understand anything about this game. I just "prefer" it were different. Even if I wanted to perfect every release, it's still completely counter intuitive and tedious, to me. I just don't like the direction they went, period. And yes I play sim, I'm a hardcore basketball head, and I'm no dummy who can't understand things. I just can't believe people actually like this feature.

            In real life, doesn't the shooter ALWAYS release at the same point of their shots, respectively? Unless you're shooting a quick shot like a floater or something your release is going to be the same , every time. How is it that in a SIM game that's supposed to mimic real life, I can come up with 50 million different releases any given shot. It's just me I guess. I wish it would go back to the way it was before 2k11.

            In my opinion all it does is make the game needlessly more difficult then it has to be. Why punish people for playing as new teams? It does punish you because you will shoot poorly if you haven't played with the team enough. It's just stupid IMO.

            Even after playing as the same team countless times the releases are still too tricky.
            Last edited by fluent2332; 05-19-2011, 03:50 PM.

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            • Pared
              Legen - WAIT FOR IT
              • Feb 2003
              • 39337

              #36
              Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

              Your timing is the same with the same person. It's different with each player based on their shooting form and type of shot. If you perform the same shot repeatedly, the timing is the same.

              Your preference and what you're stating don't coincide. If the releases were different for the same shot you would have a point they are not - they are the same.

              I have no issue with your preference; I do have issue with you stating something that is not the case in the game.
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              • fluent2332
                MVP
                • Aug 2005
                • 1735

                #37
                Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

                Originally posted by Pared
                Your timing is the same with the same person. It's different with each player based on their shooting form and type of shot. If you perform the same shot repeatedly, the timing is the same.

                Your preference and what you're stating don't coincide. If the releases were different for the same shot you would have a point they are not - they are the same.

                I have no issue with your preference; I do have issue with you stating something that is not the case in the game.
                In any event, I would prefer one universal "normal" release. Hold the button for 1.5 seconds and release. Yes the releases in this game are the same for each shot once you get them down but you still have to find the proper release point, which is IMO is where the problem arises. I've just had way too many bad shooting games, after bad shooting game, after bad shooting game, all because of the release points. I don't consider myself a casual basketball gamer either, but maybe I'm not hardcore enough to want to spend an hour per player in the practice gym studying the release points, then trying to translate that to a game. Don't get me wrong I love the game, but I love it even more with Real FG% on. And really, shouldn't a sim game be predicated around Real FG % anyway? I'm more about simulation then trigger skills I guess.

                That said, I do understand what they were going for, so I can't really knock it I guess, since every player in real life DOES have their own release point. I still wish it were like the older games though.
                Last edited by fluent2332; 05-19-2011, 04:18 PM.

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                • Pared
                  Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 39337

                  #38
                  Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

                  Don't worry, the point was noted earlier in the thread. Let's just get back to helping the topic creator.
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                  • Redacted01
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 10316

                    #39
                    Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

                    Originally posted by fluent2332
                    In any event, I would prefer one universal "normal" release. Hold the button for 1.5 seconds and release. Yes the releases in this game are the same for each shot once you get them down but you still have to find the proper release point, which is IMO is where the problem arises. I've just had way too many bad shooting games, after bad shooting game, after bad shooting game, all because of the release points. I don't consider myself a casual basketball gamer either, but maybe I'm not hardcore enough to want to spend an hour per player in the practice gym studying the release points, then trying to translate that to a game. Don't get me wrong I love the game, but I love it even more with Real FG% on. And really, shouldn't a sim game be predicated around Real FG % anyway? I'm more about simulation then trigger skills I guess.

                    That said, I do understand what they were going for, so I can't really knock it I guess, since every player in real life DOES have their own release point. I still wish it were like the older games though.
                    Yea, this is how I feel to some extent. But I did find it fun once I started nailing shots with Westbrook and Durant. At the same time, when I couldn't shoot worth a damn, I was wondering why anyone would subject themselves to such torture lol. For something like association, it'd be great. But if I want to just play a quick game, I wish they had a 3rd option for just timed release. I should be studying for the LSAT, but I might get in one more game tonight. If all goes well, I'll start doing some playcalling and then maybe I'll actually be motivated to start an assocation.

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                    • fluent2332
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 1735

                      #40
                      Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

                      Funny thing is I just checked my settings and I've been playing my most recent games with shot stick timing. So I guess somehow my release has gotten much better because during those games I was lighting it up, haha.
                      Either way I'm not gonna sulk about it, I'll learn the damn releases and be better off for it. I guess that's really all there is to do. Sorry I couldn't be more help though, haha

                      And I gotta say, it is pretty fun when you start draining shots.
                      Last edited by fluent2332; 05-19-2011, 05:36 PM.

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                      • Boge
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 1689

                        #41
                        Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

                        I think it's too easy. Maybe it's jumbling around all the different players that makes you shoot bad. I have a created player with Durants shot. My stats are medium range under 55, and 3pt under 60 (I'm old so they're dropping). I shoot like 60% from 3pt range, and probably 80% from 2s when I'm open. Overall, I have like a shooting % of 58%.

                        I probably should drop it more, but I haven't. I'm getting sick of Kellog talking smack about my shot though. "They'll let him get that shot off all game long." Whatever Kellog!

                        I wish they'd change the commentary based on your performances rather than your stats.

                        Are they ever going to fix the little things in this series?

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                        • iLLosophy
                          Plata o Plomo
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 3673

                          #42
                          Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

                          Hey bro. Kudos to you for asking for help instead of getting really bent out of shape (something in which i'm guilty of) or just giving up. Glad it's working out for you.

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                          • PaperBoyx703
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 1591

                            #43
                            Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

                            This is the first title of 2k Ive bought myself, I always would go over a friends after work whenever I got the invite to run a lil pickup tournament and shooting seemed automatic before 2k11 when wide open IMO unless you didnt have momentum. Atleast thats what it seemed like to me since I didnt play it hardly.

                            Now Ive joined the 2k party late but am enjoying myself a lot and love the shots arent "automatic" no more I run with the wizards mostly and have learned the release point(each player) pretty well and running plays actually helps ALOT. I didnt learn that until much later in my game time. But now that I know that the game actually feels more like a sim instead of just run n dunk nonsense my boys be runnin hahah.
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                            • Redacted01
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 10316

                              #44
                              Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

                              Are the Knicks that bad? I attempted to play a game with them and although I could do things with Anthony, it was just bad overall. Makes me wonder if calling my own plays would have helped or if like someone said, Pro in this game is All-Star of the past, because I'd buy it with the game I just tried to play. I had been improving and then wham, was getting my *** kicked by Philly in all aspects. Not having Billups hurt, stupid realistic unrealistic rosters. I should probably get another roster set instead of 2K's rosters and that might be remedied.

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                              • Pared
                                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 39337

                                #45
                                Re: Why is shooting so difficult in this game?

                                Not at all - you just need to know a team's strengths.

                                Goes for a lot of teams in the game.
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