2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

[rockchisler]

Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

I play to enjoy the game, and have a realistic representation of NBA basketball, so that's first and foremost to me. But I still play to win, I mean doesn't everyone? Thing is, I DO play randoms all the time, and have a blast trying to shut down their "cheese". Sure I get worked sometimes, but it's all in good fun. Thing is though, I haven't seen a lot of what you could actually constitute as "cheese". Sure I see players trying to force things with Kobe, or Wade, or jacking up 3s every chance they get, but nothing to me has been an exploit, or cheesy. I guess you could call their tactics cheesy, but the bottom line is those tactics rarely if ever work, so there's no point bitching about it. I haven't come across a gamebreaking exploit yet. The worst I've seen is maybe some lead passing to the paint, after selecting a player to manually cut.

But the point of this whole thread is, the 2-3 zone is nowhere near cheese. And when I say get on my level, I mean you too should use all the options at your disposal. Including all the coaching stuff. If someone isn't comfortable being their own coach that's cool too, but don't knock me because I play the game and use my options. I still do everything else "by the sim rules". I just feel it's completely sim to employ your own strategy on defense, by choosing to use a zone. Sure you don't see it much in the NBA, but that doesn't make it any less viable of an option.

I play basketball every week, When I play basketball on the 360 I want something that represents what I physically do on the court in real life, It just seems to me that people that dont play in real life dont mind cheesing because they dont know any better..Just my opinion, I just dont see how cheating to win is fun unless you are a teenager..Also just make the game cheese proof when the game is shipped, Better interior defense when someone does the dump the ball in the paint pass that moves like 100 miles an hour through players bodies. Players should get tired when they do the 1 man full court press while lunging at the defender and trying to steal. Lose your dribble when you over dribble and get rid of turbo..You fix those you have a good game on your hands

[videobastard]

Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

Playing 2-3 zone for an entire game in nba 2k is not sim basketball. It is not a realistic representation of nba basketball.

It can be used as a strategy to win games. If that is the way some choose to play for their enjoyment and win games so be it. But there is no reason to be surprised or think it is weak for the opposing opponent that quits out of a game that is being played that way if the player would rather play sim basketball.

[sYn Shepard]

Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

I think we should all get really angry

[fluent2332]

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Playing 2-3 zone for an entire game in nba 2k is not sim basketball. It is not a realistic representation of nba basketball.

It can be used as a strategy to win games. If that is the way some choose to play for their enjoyment and win games so be it. But there is no reason to be surprised or think it is weak for the opposing opponent that quits out of a game that is being played that way if the player would rather play sim basketball.

It's not even about just winning games, or playing to win. It's about playing defense the way YOU want to play. Phoenix used the zone extensively against LA a couple years back in the playoffs. Maybe I am emulating that game and playing sim according to that series standards. Who's to say I'm wrong for doing that? It happened in real life, and I'm emulating it in the game. Just because it doesn't happen OFTEN doesn't mean anything, bottom line is it still happened in a real NBA game.

Bottom line is it's weak to quit against a zone because you don't know how to play against it. I bet LA wished they could quit when it exposed them in the playoffs. And it's 100% sim basketball to play a zone, I don't care what anyone says. It's not an exploit, it's not cheesy, it's 100% fundamental basketball 101.

[videobastard]

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It's not even about just winning games, or playing to win. It's about playing defense the way YOU want to play. Phoenix used the zone extensively against LA a couple years back in the playoffs. Maybe I am emulating that game and playing sim according to that series standards. Who's to say I'm wrong for doing that? It happened in real life, and I'm emulating it in the game. Just because it doesn't happen OFTEN doesn't mean anything, bottom line is it still happened in a real NBA game.

Bottom line is it's weak to quit against a zone because you don't know how to play against it. I bet LA wished they could quit when it exposed them in the playoffs. And it's 100% sim basketball to play a zone, I don't care what anyone says. It's not an exploit, it's not cheesy, it's 100% fundamental basketball 101.

As i said before if someone chooses to play that way then so be it. Anybody can play the way they feel like playing the game. I do not know why your so defensive with regards to my post. I never said anything about a playing style being wrong. Anybody can play the game the way they feel like playing it.

Anybody can choose selectively something that happened in the nba and try to emulate it in a video game. Somebody could see lebron james covering a center for a portion of time in a real life nba game and decide to put lebron as there starting center for every game they play in nba 2k. Somebody could see rick pitino having his former celtics team playing a portion of full court defense and try to emulate it by playing every game with this style of defense. An nfl team sometimes goes for it on 4th down. Somebody could choose to go for it on 4th down everytime in their madden video game if they want.

Anybody can selectively choose something that has happened and try it out all the time in their video games. There is nothing wrong with someone playing like that. But doing something all the time that only happens on occasions in real life does not translate into sim or being realistic.

I do not know the full details of your game with the person that quit against you. To clarify, in my post im just stating that some people are not going to waste their time and continue a random game that in their opinion is not being played realistically. That does not make that person weak for wanting to use their time wisely. If someone is quitting ranked games, or quitting because they are a sore loser then thats on them. But i am generally speaking for people that are in the unranked lobbies that may be looking for a realistic game to play.

[Vega]

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A VIDEO GAME is to be played HOWEVER YOU want 2 play it...

if u want to use zone all game...go ahead...

if u run zone all game against a player like myself...

you'll be losing quickly lol but for somebody to tell u dnt do it in the game becuz they dnt in the NBA is absurd. you bought it 2 play how u want 2 right? lol

[rice_n_gravy]

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as long as your not exploiting a known glitch or something by all means do it

if seen people start LeBron/Durant at PF Wade at PG

never sub out their starters

only shoot with 2 players(cough heat)

iso all game

shoot 30 3's a game

post up all game

i like to play as realistic as possible nothing crazy but if my opponent wants to play that way im damn sure not gona quit ima beat him

if im playing somebody and hes always leaving Jodie Meeks open for 3 am i not going to shoot because nobody shoots that many 3's????

[ManiacMatt1782]

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as long as your not exploiting a known glitch or something by all means do it

if seen people start LeBron/Durant at PF Wade at PG

never sub out their starters

only shoot with 2 players(cough heat)

iso all game

shoot 30 3's a game

post up all game

i like to play as realistic as possible nothing crazy but if my opponent wants to play that way im damn sure not gona quit ima beat him

if im playing somebody and hes always leaving Jodie Meeks open for 3 am i not going to shoot because nobody shoots that many 3's????

Exactly! There is not abusing exploits, but should you not punish ill advised double teams, or change your defense away from something the other team keeps feeding into foolishly just because they feel it is unsim? Again it would be unsim to foolishly adjust when your opponent gives you no reason to. If you are getting nothing but open looks running only a few different plays why change up if you aren't having shots contested. Same on d, you would be not only in sim, but also be making a boneheaded decision to change got defense when the offense only attacks its strengths. I'm talking 4th & 20 in the 1st quarter on your own 12, in a tied ball game and deciding to go for it type of boneheaded. And on top of that calling that play as a qb draw when your qb is as fast as peyton manning.

[NEOPARADIGM]

Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

Fact: Most NBA teams wouldn't know how to run a zone if they tried.

This strikes me as a rather odd thing to declare a fact.

[rockchisler]

Re: 2-3 Zone All Game...Completely Legitimate Strategy

Just have 2 lobbies, 1 for the cheese head teenagers and 1 for straight sim heads, Only way you get in the sim lobby is if you are voted in..based on positive reviews, non quits and style of play..

[CX1329]

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Some people here take the concept of "sim" so far, that they would be capable of accusing real life NBA teams of cheesing to win. The Suns used a zone defense against the Lakers to a great extent a couple of years ago, like fluent2332 said. Were the real life Phoenix Suns not "playing sim"? Throughout the season, real life NBA teams have been constantly scoring over 40 or even 50 points in the paint in a game, is that cheese?

Exploiting the game's flaws is bad, such as abusing passes into the paint, but using zones is not the same thing, and by extension, anything that can be effectively countered in the game is perfectly valid basketball strategy.

I respect people who only want to faithfully reproduce what they see on their TV, but is that really the only acceptable way to play? As long as the OP isn't doing anything far removed from real life basketball (and zones certainly aren't) such as performing 200 spin moves everytime he gets the ball, or intentionally abusing exploits that cannot be countered, then he's playing "sim" enough to me. There's more than one conceivable idea of what "sim" basketball is, and I believe people should be more concerned with bonafide, unquestionable cheesing (exploits and stuff that doesn't even begin to resemble real life basketball) than with someone who just wants to use zones. As unlikely as it is, it wouldn't be something out of the twilight zone if an NBA coach decided to play a zone all game, especially if the circumstances called for it.

[ManiacMatt1782]

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Just have 2 lobbies, 1 for the cheese head teenagers and 1 for straight sim heads, Only way you get in the sim lobby is if you are voted in..based on positive reviews, non quits and style of play..

Would never work, too many sore losers that would vote against based on nothing

[BlastX21]

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Just have 2 lobbies, 1 for the cheese head teenagers and 1 for straight sim heads, Only way you get in the sim lobby is if you are voted in..based on positive reviews, non quits and style of play..

What he meant to say is,

Two lobbies.

In the first, you have the game on default or simulation sliders. It is called the Sim lobby.

In the second, you have the game on casual sliders, with steals dropped way down so cheesers can abuse all the long passes all they want. It is called the Casual lobby.

Should have been implemented years ago imo.

[BlastX21]

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As for the zone, I think its a tad cheesy to run all game. The game over-defends in areas that the zone is supposed to be weak in.

For example, there are holes left in the corners and various spots in the middle, but passing into these is incredibly difficult because the AI does an insane job of picking off the ball unless there isn't a defender in sight.

Another weakness in the zone is if you can get a player under the basket. But shots under the basket are either missed or blocked at an unrealistic rate, and the D doubles you extremely quickly once you get inside. Its also hard to pass out for a three because again, passes are picked off extremely easily.

Now there's nothing wrong with running it a lot, but since its a bit overpowered, its a tad unfair to run it all game. Thats just my two cents.

[blues rocker]

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using a zone all game is legit. the devs put the option in the game for people to use if they want to. if someone is using a zone against you and you can't figure out how score against it, well that's your own fault...it's not the fault of the guy using the zone.