No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

[icemanfrost]

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That's the problem in this country, everyone feels like they need to have this "What do i get, whats in it for me, my wants are more important than anything else or im gonna throw a fit attitude". Way too much falsely based entitlement in our society nowadays. I say either stop bitching and deal with it or GTFO!

/rant on everyone, had to vent

I agree with you but there's only one problem. That doesn't apply here. We are talking about a sports game that comes out every year. If we didn't "Bitch" then 2K would fail believe it or not. I do agree with you on the mindset of this country but then you can ask the consumer for there money every year if you are going to put out the same game(not saying that is what 2k is doing.. Far from it) Speaking of entitlement as far as consumers we are in entitled to criticize. I think you have good logic it's just your logic doesn't apply to this particalar subject and or product. You are trying to take a simple criticism and make it like he said it was a bad game. Like I said out of context

[miller31time]

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Once again someone who speaks on authority even though have no quantifiable facts to back it up. "Probably play don't it" isn't really going to cut it.

Pot, meet kettle. If you need quantifiable statistics from him, then the burden of proof is also on you to do the same for your argument.

[haloofduty]

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OK taking a step back from my earlier posts...

I get what the offline association guys are saying. And I gotta agree that it's weird that 2K hasn't spoken on offline association and given assurances concrete that things have been fixed. But at the same time, my earlier posts were aimed at those who are saying that this game is just 2K11 with more legends. That kinda statement is ludicrous. Unlike other game publishers, 2K has made improvements to this game in several areas on and off the court since last year.

I understand the frustration that offline association didn't get as much love this year, and understand even more the frustration with 2K's silence on this issue. I guess where I draw the line is with the sense of entitlement that some have, as if 2K made promises and didn't deliver. 2K never promised to completely overhaul association every year. I know this may sound like I'm making excuses for them, but it is what it is. If you're really going to say stuff like this is 2K11.5 or that all they added is legends, then you really don't DESERVE to play a game this good.

When the OP makes a statement like "0 improvements have been made to association", and he hasn't played the game yet, that's where I draw the line.

I agree with this. I didn't want a overhaul just improvements to whats already there. Guys are commenting like we are saying association got no love this year. Its not about that. Its about if they fixed the problems from last year. Guys were asking them to fix those problems with a patch last year. We are just worried since they haven't said anything about if they fixed them. What are people problems with that? I don't understand. You always have people that want to jump down someones back. I understand people voicing their opinions on the matter but some of you are acting like its affecting your life. Quite a few post I have read felt more like attacks towards the OP.

[spankdatazz22]

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I hear people jump down EA's throat every year about this very same issue but 2k get's a pass? It is a what have you done for me lately mantra. 2K has this same attitude cause if they didn't they would not be able to do what they do so well. To be honest it's kinda funny cause what people might not realize is that why you people try to defend 2K. 2k love topics like the OP. You criticize him , but posters like him help make 2K basketball how great it is today.

I'd say one, imo the two developer efforts don't come close. Anywhere near close. So with that in mind I think people should have some perspective given what 2K's done with the game this generation. I'm not saying they don't deserve any criticism whatsoever but there's nothing definitively being complained about in the thread to my knowledge. Other than people wanting their concerns (to use the OP's word) acknowledged directly.

I really don't get why anyone familar with 2K's previous efforts would infer that there were zero improvements made to an important game mode simply because 2K themselves haven't spoken to them directly. It's almost contradictory, because the people complaining aren't saying that improvements weren't made. They're upset that they haven't been told what improvements were made. And so since they weren't told they're going to say no improvements were made despite 2K's history with tweaking/improving various aspects of the game yearly. Then almost in a jealous fashion speaking to other game modes that received more attention.

[Gosens6]

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What's funny to me is this; All the online guys trashing us offline guys saying that online is the future, thank god they finally added online association and gave us online guys some love..

You do realize that online association is the exact same as offline association just online?

So answer me this, what happens when all you online guys face the SAME problems that us offline guys will with all the SAME bugs and issues that us offline guys are crying to be improved?

Along with all the server issues you're bound to experience, don't come here and jump on our side and wish they improved all the issues we're talking about.

So you online guys can have your "Online association" because guess what, you're going to be experiencing the same thing we are, wishing they'd made improvements to the mode.

[rangerrick012]

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It's not an 'online vs offline' thing, and I'm sorry that I framed it as such earlier. But again, to say 0 improvements have been made to association when you don't even have the game - that's what I don't like. And to take it even further and say what others in this thread have said, that this is just 2K11 with legends - is a joke.

It's fine that you don't like that offline assoc seems to have been spurned this year. But 2k is a company that unlike some others, has shown that they will do what they can year after year to make the game better in all aspects. That's why I take umbrage w/ the comparisons to Madden and saying that 2K got lazy, just because offline assoc didn't get the love you may have liked. This ignores the upgrades they've made in other areas, and is a slap in the face to the developers.

[Gosens6]

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It's not an 'online vs offline' thing, and I'm sorry that I framed it as such earlier. But again, to say 0 improvements have been made to association when you don't even have the game - that's what I don't like. And to take it even further and say what others in this thread have said, that this is just 2K11 with legends - is a joke.

I know exactly what you mean, my post was not directed toward you. You made valid points, iv'e been around long enough to know when certain people are just posting with an agenda.

Some of the online guys in here are doing just that. 2K12 is leaps and bounds better than 2K11 and that's a fact.

All i'm saying is, after the extensive research I did with a few guys last year, trying to fix all the broken things with the 2K11 Association mode, it would only ease our minds a bit if they just released tiny bits of info saying they fixed those mode breaking issues.

The point I was trying to make was, all the online guys talking crap about us offline guys, rubbing it in our faces that they added online association while ignoring any of the problems in offline assocation, they don't realize they're going to have to deal with the same problems we do, because once again, online association is just offline association with a pretty name on the internet.

[haloofduty]

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I know exactly what you mean, my post was not directed toward you. You made valid points, iv'e been around long enough to know when certain people are just posting with an agenda.

Some of the online guys in here are doing just that. 2K12 is leaps and bounds better than 2K11 and that's a fact.

All i'm saying is, after the extensive research I did with a few guys last year, trying to fix all the broken things with the 2K11 Association mode, it would only ease our minds a bit if they just released tiny bits of info saying they fixed those mode breaking issues.

The point I was trying to make was, all the online guys talking crap about us offline guys, rubbing it in our faces that they added online association while ignoring any of the problems in offline assocation, they don't realize they're going to have to deal with the same problems we do, because once again, online association is just offline association with a pretty name on the internet.

Very very true. He made a very good point. Aren't you guys who are excited about online association worried that last years association bugs might kill your experience? I just cant imagine quite "POSSIBLY" playing the bug filled association for another year. I said possibly people I know I don't know yet lol.

[Gosens6]

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Very very true. He made a very good point. Aren't you guys who are excited about online association worried that last years association bugs might kill your experience? I just cant imagine quite "POSSIBLY" playing the bug filled association for another year. I said possibly people I know I don't know yet lol.

You're right about that, we DON'T know yet; but if they did fix anything they could have at least acknowledged the fact and not left us in the dark worrying.

The online guys are going to have to worry about the same problems we are, so why they're even talking down to us offline guys like online association is going to be so much different. We should all be on the same page here!

[apollooff320]

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wow really, the you must be a teen, because I grew up with the the 80's and 90's teams and I bought this game because of those teams, so you must be a really young NBA fa,, in fact I can almost guarantee you are just from that comment, please tell me otherwise.

Wrong I'm 29. I like to play with today teams not teams I watched when I was younger. I like to see what I can do or how I can build on them. I'm not worried about legends. I will play it for a little bit like I did last year. I'm not stuck in the past. It's still a cool feature for other ppl but not something 2K should focus on if they want to stay ahead of the game.

[Paul Pierce_OS]

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We don't even know if they added anything wait for the insight before you make assumptions

[Self313]

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Wrong I'm 29. I like to play with today teams not teams I watched when I was younger. I like to see what I can do or how I can build on them. I'm not worried about legends. I will play it for a little bit like I did last year. I'm not stuck in the past. It's still a cool feature for other ppl but not something 2K should focus on if they want to stay ahead of the game.

Im with you there

[Gosens6]

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We don't even know if they added anything wait for the insight before you make assumptions

What insight? There is no offline association insight. They did an online association insight, and they talked nothing about adding or fixing anything to the mode. Basically all they ran down was how they added online association and how excited they are for it.

Let them be excited, more power to them and the online players who are excited, but IF they didn't fix any of the bugs or problems, both online and offline guys are going to playing with them. So why they're bickering amongst each other and not trying to figure out if the problems were fixed is beyond me.

[apollooff320]

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my main problem with association was the CPU trading to get 5 PF and players getting pissed off because they are on the bench when it's their first freaking year in the NBA and made the draft in the 2nd round WTF.

[Gosens6]

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my main problem with association was the CPU trading to get 5 PF and players getting pissed off because they are on the bench when it's their first freaking year in the NBA and made the draft in the 2nd round WTF.

Yeah, or the CPU not trading any players after about the third year in.

When online guys have to deal with stuff like that, they're going to be crying foul just like we are now.