No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

[ShindoHikaru]

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While I'm an Association player, we still don't know if it has no improvement at all really but good points though. I'm not even sure if I'll be able to play all the game modes this year. There are too many!

I guess I'll give the new Create A Legend mode a lot of time if there are minimal improvements in the offline Association.

[haloofduty]

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Wow if you guys don't like what the OP is saying get out the thread. I agree OP. Why are you guys complaining about his valid complaints? I never understood people complaining about someone complaints. If it bothers you why are you reading it? Just like someone posted you don't have to buy the game. Well you don't have to read this thread either.

[senorroboto2k5]

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Shouldn't there be a way to edit the teams in Association on the fly? Or is there just some way I'm too stupid to see?

Like if I'm in the middle of an Association and a trade goes down in real life, I want it reflected in my game.

[SJdaKiiD]

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How do you know that they didn't make tweaks to it? Do you have the game? How do you know they made no improvements to it? Early impressions from those that actually have the game say that certain things have been tweaked to make it better.

Sure it's not the massive overhaul that some may have wanted, but I think the progress they've made adding online association, as well as improving MyPlayer and adding more legends is great. But you're never going to please everyone of course.

It is what it is. Online gaming IS the future...heck, it's the present. Why do you think games like COD are so successful? Not for offline, but online. And 2K's taking a big step in that area by adding online association. Yet you have people here acting like 2k peed in their cereal or something. Again, not saying it's wrong to be upset, but if you really feel that strongly about it then don't buy it. But OP seems content with buying a product that he doesn't like. If so, then joke's on him.

How can you be a moderator on a FORUM and think that way? Is it against the rules to voice his opinion? Granted, he may not own the game and may not have seen for himself what they have done, but that doesn't mean he needs someone jumping down his throat for going to a FORUM to voice his opinion. Now personally, I play online and offline equally so i can understand his frustration with offline association while keeping my excitement with online association. But criticizing him on this level for taking advantage of a FORUM, and voicing his opinion in a respectful manner in a place where it may reach a developer's eyes is unnecessary. I understand you may not feel the same way, but unless YOU got some proof (ex. a video to post), then your no better than anyone here who has criticized 2k12 before playing it.

P.s. He said he will buy it used, so he IS doing something by making sure HIS money will not go to 2k Sports.

[2slik]

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Wow if you guys don't like what the OP is saying get out the thread. I agree OP. Why are you guys complaining about his valid complaints? I never understood people complaining about someone complaints. If it bothers you why are you reading it? Just like someone posted you don't have to buy the game. Well you don't have to read this thread either.

This post FAILS MISERABLY.

[MikeJ2021]

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Never had any reason to complain about 2K.

But when you hit your loyal buyers with the okeydoke by claiming this is going to be the greatest game yet only to ignore your most important mode completely is uncalled for.

In a year of a Lockout removing all Free Agent moves, no rookies, & you dont improve your only feature that allows you to advance seasons.

It really is hard to understand.

Completely agree. Its pretty easy to see that NBA 2K12 isn't going to have many of the changes Ricky mentioned. Why? Because if there was any significant changes to Association mode it would've been marketed to death already. I mean, we've already had an insight on shoe...Shoes?! Come On Man! If you don't understand the fact that NBA 2K hasn't made any changes to Association mode then I don't know what more proof you need, other than playing the game and seeing for yourself I guess.

Bottom line is, NBA 2K12 is becoming just like the Madden team in the sense that they add all the flash and improve the gameplay and then improves association modes on two-year intervals. Sad thing is that they made drastic improvements to My Player mode but can't even seem to make association mode workable. At this stage in the game, its no reason for association to lack simple improvements such as being able to fully customize the D League. And I don't want to hear anything on player limits and things of that nature. If Madden can expand rosters to 75 men and you can, and have been able to for like three years now, edit every player in MLB The Show, then its no reason why you can't do it in NBA 2K.

I've never been on to complain about NBA 2K and, as of right now, I still plan on buying it. But I just wish they were a little up front and honest. If you aren't going to do anything with Association mode but fix last year's glitches then cool, just let consumer's know so they can plan accordingly. But making us rely on others who got the game early for simple association questions is ridiculous. I hope 2K proves me wrong in the coming days and something was added to Association mode but I will still feel that they should've told us the changes way before we got an insight on shoes.

Sometimes I wonder why I even get sports games in the first place.

[Boilerbuzz]

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No reason to be condescending man he's just going off what he read in the impressions thread. If the dude in the impressions thread was wrong I think everyone in this thread would happily accept that.

No, he's going off what he did NOT read. He "read between the lines". All of this whining is based in total ignorance. It's ridiculous.

[Boilerbuzz]

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Wow if you guys don't like what the OP is saying get out the thread. I agree OP. Why are you guys complaining about his valid complaints? I never understood people complaining about someone complaints. If it bothers you why are you reading it? Just like someone posted you don't have to buy the game. Well you don't have to read this thread either.

So folks can only comment if they agree with the OP? Really?

[rangerrick012]

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How can you be a moderator on a FORUM and think that way? Is it against the rules to voice his opinion? Granted, he may not own the game and may not have seen for himself what they have done, but that doesn't mean he needs someone jumping down his throat for going to a FORUM to voice his opinion. Now personally, I play online and offline equally so i can understand his frustration with offline association while keeping my excitement with online association. But criticizing him on this level for taking advantage of a FORUM, and voicing his opinion in a respectful manner in a place where it may reach a developer's eyes is unnecessary. I understand you may not feel the same way, but unless YOU got some proof (ex. a video to post), then your no better than anyone here who has criticized 2k12 before playing it.

P.s. He said he will buy it used, so he IS doing something by making sure HIS money will not go to 2k Sports.

First of all, I'm not a moderator. Second of all, I'm not complaining about complaining. I'm talking about a guy making a wishlist thread for 2K13 before he's even played 2K12. 2K never promised that Association was going to be improved.

And like Boilerbuzz put it, OP is reading between the lines and criticizing the game because they didn't make the improvements HE wanted. There are impressions that say Offline Assoc has improved in some aspects, so to say it hasn't changed or is the same as last year seems to be a false statement.

There's plenty of people that were looking to online association as the next step and are happy that that's been added. Again I'm not saying it's wrong to complain, but to judge before you even play the game is wrong.

[kjjnesb]

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No, he's going off what he did NOT read. He "read between the lines". All of this whining is based in total ignorance. It's ridiculous.

Well I apologize for mistaking what he is passing off as opinion as fact but that does not change the fact the person who was responding to him was talking down to him and everyone talking about this.

So folks can only comment if they agree with the OP? Really?

I don't think that's what he means I mean people are acting very hostile towards people who are worried about the state off offline mode. We can talk about this like adults no reason to talk down to people.

[2slik]

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I don't think that's what he means I mean people are acting very hostile towards people who are worried about the state off offline mode. We can talk about this like adults no reason to talk down to people.

It's not our fault if people are thin-skinned and see every disagreement with their view as a malicious attack.

[Boilerbuzz]

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And that is a key point. A LOT of people have been wanting online association for a long time. At some point, the feature had to go into this game. Would you REALLY expect to take the same number of people and add online to Association and still make significant improvements to the basic mode? That'd be crazy.

In the end, to make a whine thread based on nothing by "reading between the lines" is like making a thread complaining about a crash before you even play the game.

Then some of you throw insults at the dev team with claims of what they care about and what they don't care about. Or about playing a game of smoke and mirrors. Why not just call out SimBaller directly as Association is his baby and from what I know about him - he CERTAINLY cares about making the mode perfect.

[BRxSKINSx]

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Why is it that when folks found out that there's no crew mode, everybody applauded and jumped on everyone who was upset about it.... And laughed and told them not to buy the game....But as soon as someone complains and cries about offline association and they are told the same thing, folks swoop down outta the sky like super heroes to defend the offline guy....? This is not to start an argument or anything like that....I'm just wondering....

[kjjnesb]

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It's not our fault if people are thin-skinned and see every disagreement with their view as a malicious attack.

I wasn't referring to everyone just a couple of instances we can have dialogue about things and agree to disagree regardless. Though this thread should be closed cause its not going any where and isn't proven.

[Boilerbuzz]

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Well I apologize for mistaking what he is passing off as opinion as fact but that does not change the fact the person who was responding to him was talking down to him and everyone talking about this.



I don't think that's what he means I mean people are acting very hostile towards people who are worried about the state off offline mode. We can talk about this like adults no reason to talk down to people.

That's a totally fair response man. You have to remember that this thread is just the continuation of a discussion that's almost beat to death. There is certainly nothing wrong with being worried that some of the offline issues were not giving the full attention of the team. But I think that would be pretty understandable considering the massive undertaking that is online Association. And he could even be disappointed. But all of this is a big *IF* because nothing has been said. The replies aren't just to the OP, but to the others that pile on with even more fervor and come with some harsh criticism that are unwarranted based on the known FACTS. The people that have been to the dev studios or have met the devs elsewhere have attested to the commitment of all of the devs from EA to VC to Sony and on. They all have shortcomings, but never have those shortcomings been laziness, or just not caring.