No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

[Money99]

Re: No Improvements To Offline Association huh?

This will be my first year with NBA2k12.
From what I've read the Association mode is already very deep. Or am I wrong to assume that?

I'm really into My Player type modes, so I have a feeling I'll be spending a great majority of time with that.
But I do love Dynasty modes, so hopefully Association has what I need (which is probably too deep since I know next to nothing about basketball or the NBA).

[Gosens6]

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and there lies the difference in us people

I actually played the games in my association

you sim 3 or 4 years down the road and say somethin is broken... when year 1-2 is on point

but hey, we all ike the game for different reasons

but the complaining is stupid... the game is already packaged man

make a 2k13 wishlist or somethin and get your ideas to um early...

Its killing this forum man... around when 2k11 came out I found this place... its been helpful so I stick around... the constant complaining is killing this board.. its looking just like the 2kboards when I went on those last year before I found OS...

I agree with you, some people like to play every game, others such as myself like to sim.

It's all a matter of preference, it's not that i'm complaining, I sincerely hope that's not the reaction some are getting from this; because you know what? I'm still going to buy the game, and i'm still going to enjoy the hell out of it.

I was going to stay out of this thread and not even post until I saw some of the online guys bashing us offline guys when in reality, they would face the same problems we would.

And I agree with you about these parts looking like the 2K forums lately, which iv'e stated in several other threads. Which is why my block list has doubled in the past few weeks.

[Gosens6]

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This will be my first year with NBA2k12.
From what I've read the Association mode is already very deep. Or am I wrong to assume that?

I'm really into My Player type modes, so I have a feeling I'll be spending a great majority of time with that.
But I do love Dynasty modes, so hopefully Association has what I need (which is probably too deep since I know next to nothing about basketball or the NBA).

While it has its problems, the Association mode is still quite deep barring a few bugs in the AI.

Once you play through it you might learn a thing or two about basketball and the GM side of things.

Welcome to the NBA, you're going to love it.

[neegotiator]

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My main gripe with offline association (atleast on PC, don't know if occurred on console) was that in future drafts, there would frequently be one player who gets drafted repeatedly since they aren't taken off list after getting drafted. So for example, I've got #25, #6 gets picked repeatedly until I'm up, and I can choose high lottery rookies. Not sure if this was also related to sometimes rookie portraits getting mixed up in the player cards, overall seemed like there was an issue with how generated player rosters were maintained. This was with CPU generating rookies.

Overall yeah great mode, but there are potential issue fixes that could go long ways towards elevating the experience.

[CWSapp757]

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Hey Gosens.... don't forget about too much progression after the first few years, generated point guard rookies who almost never had three point ratings over 65, wonky tendencies for computer generated players, superstars not being signed in the offseason in the later years because of the overabundance of highly rated players in the league, very questionable draft logic and the game consistently crashing if you attempt to upload a 7th consecutive custom draft class (six is the limit).

I love 2K, and I dealt with all of these problems last year and put in a LOT of time to work around them. And guess what, if the same problems are there, I will more than likely sit there and do it again. But I don't think it's fair to knock anyone for complaining or being upset at the thought of these problems still being in the game. But I will be as happy as a little kid in the candy store if the issues are indeed addressed.

[Gosens6]

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Hey Gosens.... don't forget about too much progression after the first few years, generated point guard rookies who almost had three point ratings over 65, wonky tendencies for computer generated players, superstars not being signed in the offseason in the later years because of the overabundance of highly rated players in the league, very questionable draft logic and the game consistently crashing if you attempt to upload a 7th consecutive custom draft class (six is the limit).

I love 2K, and I dealt with all of these problems last year and put in a LOT of time to work around them. And guess what, if the same problems are there, I will more than likely sit there and do it again. But I don't think it's fair to knock anyone for complaining or being upset at the thought of these problems still being in the game. But I will be as happy as a little kid in the candy store.

I believe I mentioned the progression, but you're right, I forgot all about the screwey tendencies and all the draft bugs! neegotiator mentioned one big one right above you.

It's things like this that just shouldn't have made it into the game and never fixed.

[haloofduty]

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make a 2k13 wishlist or somethin and get your ideas to um early...

LOL these problems were in nba 2k12 wishlist lol

[CWSapp757]

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My bad Gosens, you did mention a couple of those. I was speed reading.... while driving... not a good combination.

[Ricky Rowe Zay]

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- The importance of Association in 2K12 is it gives us a reason to purchase a game that features the same players, coaches, etc from 2K11. Think about it. Thanks to a lockout this is a year that features no roster changes via Free Agency, & no rookies. For those who are excited about Online Association, what is there to be so confident about? What rosters are you going to use? I wouldnt think you're going to be excited about playing a hypothetical 2011-2012 season using 2010-2011 rosters out of the box. Whether you do a Fantasy Draft to "shake things up" or not, it eventually will get dull very quick. That dullness is the same one many people mention while playing Online Season, I know because I've been involved in them for years and it gets "old" very quick espescially when people cant uphold commitments to play. I expect many of you will be looking in the 2K Rosters sub-section waiting for someone to add all 55 of those missing rookies & other missing Free Agents to the out of the box roster. Dare, I even mention Rashidi & others who deal with synergy edits that improve gameplay by making vast edits to ratings, tendecies, equipment, etc.

Enjoy the objective we deal with yearly of finding the best 2K roster, Draft Class, & Sliders.

If anyone thinks the addition of an Online Association makes it acceptable to not make improvements to the overall Offline Association mode is set for a rude awakening. You're playing the same thing we are. You'll recognize the same complaints I pointed out, except you'll be hearing it from however many friends you'll be playing with.

Nobody here was asking for a complete overhaul to Association. But to go a year without making reportable changes to a core Game Mode is beyond unacceptable. Of course there are many "Online" players who play the game for the competition against other users. Of course there are many "MyPlayer" players who are excited for the changes made to the mode, espescially the addition of following the career of a real NBA player. But us "Offline Association" players are that other group. I think we're a fairly large group considering all of the Downloads to Custom Rosters, Created Players, Draft Classes, Game Sliders, etc. What other mode do each have an effect on? Lets not pretend as if people are buying the game to play Exhibition Games against the CPU.

The addition of "Legends & Legend Teams" is a marketing gimmick to attract unique interest, but the whole purpose of both have no effect on a majority of 2K gamers.

1. You cant play them in Online matchups

2. They have no effect on MyPlayer

3. You ready for Association: 1990-1991 or 1985-1986 season?


Look, we end up right back here at Association.

Its amazing how that works.

[SimBaller]

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It's astonishing the number of people in this thread who don't have the game claiming that no improvements were made.

While it wasn't a major focus for us this year (you've been asking for Online Association, so we delivered), there was still a good number of changes/optimizations to improve the experience of playing this mode. Specifically, areas where I felt human players would exploit the AI for the online experience, those areas got the biggest tuneup.

One fundamental change that I made this year was the removal of the 'Player Re-signing' period of the offseason, as there is no such thing in the real world. Instead, we made in-season signings/extensions a much bigger focus. If your player doesn't want to sign during the season, he'll be a free agent in the offseason and you'll be bidding on him like everyone else (though you have the ability to tender him an offer before FA starts, which gives you the chance to sign him at "12:01 AM" the day FA starts (meaning he won't listen to offers from other teams)).

There are other changes as well, I'm sure you'll take note of them on Tuesday when you have the game in your hands (I wish you all had it now!). In the meantime, let's all take a deep breath, shall we?

[Gosens6]

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It's astonishing the number of people in this thread who don't have the game claiming that no improvements were made.

While it wasn't a major focus for us this year (you've been asking for Online Association, so we delivered), there was still a good number of changes/optimizations to improve the experience of playing this mode. Specifically, areas where I felt human players would exploit the AI for the online experience, those areas got the biggest tuneup.

One fundamental change that I made this year was the removal of the 'Player Re-signing' period of the offseason, as there is no such thing in the real world. Instead, we made in-season signings/extensions a much bigger focus. If your player doesn't want to sign during the season, he'll be a free agent in the offseason and you'll be bidding on him like everyone else (though you have the ability to tender him an offer before FA starts, which gives you the chance to sign him at "12:01 AM" the day FA starts (meaning he won't listen to offers from other teams)).

There are other changes as well, I'm sure you'll take note of them on Tuesday when you have the game in your hands (I wish you all had it now!). In the meantime, let's all take a deep breath, shall we?

Thank you Sim! Thank you so much. This is all us Association guys were asking for was some sort of clarification. I'm sure you've calmed a few heads with this post.

Your interaction is VERY much appreciated. I can't say thank you enough for this.

[CWSapp757]

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I understand what you are saying Simballer and those things sound good. However, while some were claiming that no improvements were made, some of us were just saying that there are a lot of issues that were present and we just hope that they were addressed.

[mustardnmayo]

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WHEW!!!

hopefully that means CPU roster logic...which was the only complaint I had

[kjjnesb]

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It's astonishing the number of people in this thread who don't have the game claiming that no improvements were made.

While it wasn't a major focus for us this year (you've been asking for Online Association, so we delivered), there was still a good number of changes/optimizations to improve the experience of playing this mode. Specifically, areas where I felt human players would exploit the AI for the online experience, those areas got the biggest tuneup.

One fundamental change that I made this year was the removal of the 'Player Re-signing' period of the offseason, as there is no such thing in the real world. Instead, we made in-season signings/extensions a much bigger focus. If your player doesn't want to sign during the season, he'll be a free agent in the offseason and you'll be bidding on him like everyone else (though you have the ability to tender him an offer before FA starts, which gives you the chance to sign him at "12:01 AM" the day FA starts (meaning he won't listen to offers from other teams)).

There are other changes as well, I'm sure you'll take note of them on Tuesday when you have the game in your hands (I wish you all had it now!). In the meantime, let's all take a deep breath, shall we?

That is excellent to hear thank you

[supermati]

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Thank you Sim.