Jeremy Lin

[slimm44]

Re: Jeremy Lin

so now the knicks were already good before Lin got there? lol

anyways by reading all of this.. thank you for proving to me that you haven't really watched him or the Knicks play this season. 'wait until the vets get to him' is you inferring that he doesn't have what it takes, i'm telling you that he does. That is only my opinion.. if someone had inferred jordan would be the greatest player (which isn't even what i said, i said he's playing as good as anyone ever has) then they would of been right.

you really have serious ego issues when you take my words out of context and make it a sig after you incited me with a trollish initial response in this thread in the first place.. but that's another matter.. i honestly don't even feel like blessing you with my ratings as of this point.. you've already made up your mind..

They are ALL YOURS bro.. make Lin a 49 for all I care.

I didn't say the Knicks were good, I said they had two top-20 talents and were projected to at least fight for a playoff seed. Go back and read what I posted. Amare and Melo are easily top-20 talents, probably top-15, and in some opinions but not mine, top-10. Lin has definitely been the catalyst on this run, but you can't act like he doesn't have talent around him.

You said Lin was playing as well as anybody ever, I posted three rookies who were much more dominant than him over the course of their rookie season (not just 8 games) with inferior talent around them, but you took what I said out of context. My guess is you did this to avoid offering a response because there's no way you're going to try to say that Lin is playing as well as any of those 3 in their rookie seasons.

And I deleted my sig and apologize that I hurt your feelings. Will you post your ratings/tendencies now? I'm really curious to see what you would put them at since that is what this thread is about.

EDIT: You make it sound like I'm trying to make him a scrub. Did you miss my post where he was 2nd Team All-NBA and 2nd Team Defense in the season simulation I did? The results should help to prove that the overall ratings aren't very important in determining how good a player truly is.

[hear me now]

Re: Jeremy Lin

It's also funny that you've yet to explain his ridiculous turnover rate. It's mind-boggingly hilarious how the media hushes it up simply because they're trying to create an Asian superstar.

Also, he's currently #2 in the entire NBA in isolation situations (1.16PPP) which just won't last. He's NOT a better isolation player than guys like Wade, Bryant, Nowitzki, etc. He'll drop off, the question is how much.

This is a shortened season and there's not much footage of Lin to go off of (especially since this streak didn't begin at the start of the season but about 1/3 of the way through it...) so let's wait until teams get some footage of him. I have a really hard time seeing an average athlete continue to finish with the best of them in isolation.

I will try to explain the turnovers.As many have said this is a small sample size,he hasn't been a starting point guard for a very long time.The offense goes through him on every possesion and he has played without two of the teams best players.Melo and Amar'e have just gotten back.Davis is recovered and JR was signed.Turnovers have not been a problem since they played the Hornets.As the team learns to play together his points and turnovers should be down and his assists should be up.

[MrPolo7]

Re: Jeremy Lin

I will try to explain the turnovers.As many have said this is a small sample size,he hasn't been a starting point guard for a very long time.The offense goes through him on every possesion and he has played without two of the teams best players.Melo and Amar'e have just gotten back.Davis is recovered and JR was signed.Turnovers have not been a problem since they played the Hornets.As the team learns to play together his points and turnovers should be down and his assists should be up.

Tack on another 4 tonight

[hear me now]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Tack on another 4 tonight

So 9 assists and 4 turnovers is bad now?Chris Paul last game had 6 assists 5 turnovers,against portland he had 3 assists and 4 turnovers.

[godsgift2dagame]

Re: Jeremy Lin

So 9 assists and 4 turnovers is bad now?

Since always? A good turnover-to-assist ratio would be something like 2.7 Ast/TO and up. He was at 2.25...

Put it this way..***bio (who can do no wrong with Twolves fans) has one thing they don't like: his turnovers. He's at 2.5 and guys at CanisHoopus won't be happy till he's around 3.5/1 (which I think is in the area of Chris Paul).

[godsgift2dagame]

Re: Jeremy Lin

So 9 assists and 4 turnovers is bad now?Chris Paul last game had 6 assists 5 turnovers,against portland he had 3 assists and 4 turnovers.

Chris Paul has a 4 to 1 Ast/TO ratio...one bad game didn't even put a dent in that.

[DukeC]

Re: Jeremy Lin

So 9 assists and 4 turnovers is bad now?Chris Paul last game had 6 assists 5 turnovers,against portland he had 3 assists and 4 turnovers.

Steve Nash has also averaged 4 TO's in a season.

3-4 TO's is the average turnover rate for starting PG's. That's why it's good for a PG to post a 2:1 Assist to TO Ratio and why it's ungodly to average a 3:1 Assist Ratio (Like Nash having 12 assists to 4 TO in a season)

[MrPolo7]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Steve Nash has also averaged 4 TO's in a season.

3-4 TO's is the average turnover rate for starting PG's. That's why it's good for a PG to post a 2:1 Assist to TO Ratio and why it's ungodly to average a 3:1 Assist Ratio (Like Nash having 12 assists to 4 TO in a season)

Exactly, average. It's not like Lin is purting up 12 asts with his 4 tos

[slimm44]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Guys, read this:

If you're looking at TO's, look at his Turnover Rate, which is above 20%, meaning he turns the ball over 1 out of every 5 possessions. That's in the bottom-10 of the league.

Or look at assist to TO ratio, which he is around 40th in the league in with a 1.7 rating. The top 15 or so PG's in the league have over a 2.5 AST to TO ratio.

That was before tonight's game. He was in the bottom 10 in the league in turnover rate. I'm going to guess that even though his total turnover number was less tonight, his % is going to be around 15-20% because he didn't have the ball as much with B-Diddy and Melo being on the court more. This is just speculation until the numbers from the game are posted, though.

That being said, turning the ball over is the weakest part of the game, I think that having Melo and Davis will actually help him, and I'm not taking away from how well he's been playing. His numbers, with the "new" additions won't be as flashy, but it'll give him room to grow without having the spotlight on him for the rest of the season and it will keep other teams from being able to key on him, which probably would have happened. The Knicks can be a good to really good team if they stay healthy, gain an identity with the new additions, and gel. They are YOUNG.

EDIT: My assumption was correct, his TO rating last night was 23.4. That gives him one game in the last 6 where he has had a TO rating of less than 23.

[Nukleopatra]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Gotta laugh at the turn this thread took.

Back on topic - I just found out they increased his rating to 75, nice. Still a bit low, but I can't complain.

Great stuff, for a truly great NBA player.

[slimm44]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Gotta laugh at the turn this thread took.

Back on topic - I just found out they increased his rating to 75, nice. Still a bit low, but I can't complain.

Great stuff, for a truly great NBA player.

What ratings and tendencies would you give him to make him play accurately?

[Colts18]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Gotta laugh at the turn this thread took.

Back on topic - I just found out they increased his rating to 75, nice. Still a bit low, but I can't complain.

Great stuff, for a truly great NBA player.

How is that too low? Again, 11 games. I think some of you keep forgetting that. What specific ratings/tendencies are too low?

Truly Great NBA player? Stop it. He has to put in more work than that to be labeled great.

[MrPolo7]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Gotta laugh at the turn this thread took.

Back on topic - I just found out they increased his rating to 75, nice. Still a bit low, but I can't complain.

Great stuff, for a truly great NBA player.

11 GAMES. Im sorry, but 1. He is playing in D'Antoni's PG happy system, 2. He has started what, 11 games?

I like the kid a lot, and think what he's doing is awesome...but its getting so overblown its not even funny.

There is a reason that the Mavericks decided to keep Roddy B instead of Lin after the summer, there is a reason he didn't get PT in Golden State....he has talent, and he will probably be a 16/7 guy when all is said and done...people seriously need to stop calling him the best PG in the league..jesus christ

[bedwardsroy19]

Re: Jeremy Lin

11 GAMES. Im sorry, but 1. He is playing in D'Antoni's PG happy system, 2. He has started what, 11 games?

I like the kid a lot, and think what he's doing is awesome...but its getting so overblown its not even funny.

There is a reason that the Mavericks decided to keep Roddy B instead of Lin after the summer, there is a reason he didn't get PT in Golden State....he has talent, and he will probably be a 16/7 guy when all is said and done...people seriously need to stop calling him the best PG in the league..jesus christ

He was actually waived by Houston not Dallas... So they kept Flynn and Dragic over him

[MrPolo7]

Re: Jeremy Lin

He was actually waived by Houston not Dallas... So they kept Flynn and Dragic over him

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-mavericks/headlines/20100721-harvard-hopeful-jeremy-lin-tries-to-make-mark-for-mavericks.ece

I guess it was the 2010 summer league..my bad...I just moved to the Dallas area so ESPN radio is basically nonstop "why do we have Roddy B and not Lin???"