Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

[Dpauley23]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

First, let me say that I play the game because it's fantasy. While I want players to play realistically, the thought that I turn off injuries seems weird. But the idea of controlling all 30 teams and trying to make them all better is intriguing. For me, I don't want LeBron to be traded unless the Heat are really stinking it up. Having the ability to make that decision is nice. I have a suggestion and then a couple of questions.

1. There should be a team needs/strategy crib sheet. I'm not sure if anyone's created one or not. As much as a follow the NBA, I don't know the overall strategy of every team and I don't know the details of where teams are really lacking. If I had a depth spreadsheet that said "Bulls: Frontcourt-excellent, PG-excellent, SG-average, Youth-average" etc.... and then a strategy the team uses like "Lakers-star power + role players" or "New Orleans-Youth movement" it would allow us to set our own parameters. Does that make any sense?

2. Doesn't the player decide where he wants to go in free agency? If 6 teams offer him a contract, wouldn't he just pick where he wants to go? So if you're being honest about targeting players shouldn't the CPU decide? Take someone like Caron Butler. He had several teams willing to offer the mid-level. If you do the same thing, wouldn't the CPU pick one for him? It kind of ruins the fantasy for me if I can just determine where he wants to go.

3. Are there still owner considerations in the game? I seem to remember that you could get fired if you spent to much money or didn't build a winner. Is that negated when you control 30 teams?

4. What would happen if you controlled less than 30 teams. Say, 15 teams, so you could focus a little more and let the CPU control the rest. Would the game still continue to do wildly stupid things?

1. I'm not totally sure what your trying to say here. Do you want a sheet where you talks about team strengths or what their needs are?

2. This is quite difficult as you can only control 13 teams during free agency. Once you change teams during free agency, it also advances days.

3. Not sure. This has never happened to me and if this was in the game, it would probably be negated because of the 30 teams.

4. Yes. You will still see some weird trades and also some weird signings. I would recommend 30 for best experience, but I understand how some don't want to take the time to do this

[Dpauley23]

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Liked the idea of trading D-Will, ran some ideas through the ESPN Trade Machine. It doesn't include draft picks.

Best idea I came up with that worked $ wise.
Nets receive:
J. Kidd and J. Terry(I would throw in the Mavs 2012 and 2013 first round picks also)

Mavs receive:
Deron Williams and Sundiata Gaines

I don't see why the Nets would do this. They get two players who are useless too them and two crappy draft picks. Their rich owner could just buy those picks from someone

[qpc123]

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I don't see why the Nets would do this. They get two players who are useless too them and two crappy draft picks. Their rich owner could just buy those picks from someone

Didn't say it was good trade or that either team should/would do it, I just said it was the best one I could come up with that worked out from a money standpoint. I thought the purpose of these discussions was to give people who wanted certain trades ideas of how to do them, not to crap on every idea just because it isn't something you would do.

[volstopfan14]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

It would be hard for Dallas to trade for a top player because they will be picking late in the draft and don't have any young talent.

[Dpauley23]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

Didn't say it was good trade or that either team should/would do it, I just said it was the best one I could come up with that worked out from a money standpoint. I thought the purpose of these discussions was to give people who wanted certain trades ideas of how to do them, not to crap on every idea just because it isn't something you would do.

I truly apologize for my post as I wasn't trying to crap on your idea, but rather just giving my thoughts on the trade. I probably should have made my point across better

[qpc123]

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I truly apologize for my post as I wasn't trying to crap on your idea, but rather just giving my thoughts on the trade. I probably should have made my point across better

No worries man, my response wasn't about the crapping on of ideas wasn't really directed at you specifically, just a general statement about some attitudes that have been floating around the thread.

[sfx]

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1. I'm not totally sure what your trying to say here. Do you want a sheet where you talks about team strengths or what their needs are?

2. This is quite difficult as you can only control 13 teams during free agency. Once you change teams during free agency, it also advances days.

1. Yes... I was hoping to get the community to create a crib sheet for what teams need/have. I know the Bulls pretty well and the Lakers semi-well. But I have no clue what the strategy a team like Jazz is trying to employ. I don't follow them and they fly under the TV/sportscenter radar so I have no idea where they have good pieces. I understand that this would only be for season 1 as the strengths/weaknesses will change during your association. But I think it would be a good barometer for the newb.

2. I'm not sure what this means. If, during free agency, the first team listed is the 76ers. If you offer OJ Mayo a contract that fits within the 76ers cap/budget, then switch to the Bobcats, it will advance the day? So OJ Mayo might jump at the 76ers before anyone else can offer them a contract? Or you get 13 teams to offer a contract before the day advances. If it's 13 teams, that's not so bad. If he jumps at the first team that offers a contract, that sucks.

Personally, I feel like there should be some level of randomness involved otherwise, I'd never be able to control my urge to just give the Bulls the best players. If I look at all the teams that need a scoring swing man, and OJ Mayo is the best available, I doubt there will be 13 teams on that list. Let's say there's 7 teams that need a scoring swing, go through them, let them all offer a contract that fits their team's cap/budget and let OJ decide where he wants to go. Maybe you have a Caron Butler situation where a pile of teams offer him the mid-level because that's all they can, but one is able to offer 8mil. Then the computer can decide.

[LJ_K1NG]

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is it just me or are some ppl taking this a little too seriously??.. i know ppl want to keep things as 'real' as possible but its still a game.. why is everyone acting as if they have Dwight Howard's agent on speed dial?.. or Billy King, Jay-Z and the Russian Billionaire bar-b-q with them on the weekends?..

none of us know whats gonna happen irl.. but thats why we play the 'game'.. just cuz u think someone has a bad idea doesn't mean u have to talk down on them and tell them ur way is the right way.. i constantly watch ESPN (to my gf's dismay) and i hear 3 to 5 different scenarios a day as to where players are gonna go.. so unless Mark (Mavs), Mitch (Lakers) or Otis (Magic) attended ur kids birthday party last week i think we all need to try and be more respectful and not sound so much like a know-it-all..

[Dpauley23]

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1. Yes... I was hoping to get the community to create a crib sheet for what teams need/have. I know the Bulls pretty well and the Lakers semi-well. But I have no clue what the strategy a team like Jazz is trying to employ. I don't follow them and they fly under the TV/sportscenter radar so I have no idea where they have good pieces. I understand that this would only be for season 1 as the strengths/weaknesses will change during your association. But I think it would be a good barometer for the newb.

2. I'm not sure what this means. If, during free agency, the first team listed is the 76ers. If you offer OJ Mayo a contract that fits within the 76ers cap/budget, then switch to the Bobcats, it will advance the day? So OJ Mayo might jump at the 76ers before anyone else can offer them a contract? Or you get 13 teams to offer a contract before the day advances. If it's 13 teams, that's not so bad. If he jumps at the first team that offers a contract, that sucks.

Personally, I feel like there should be some level of randomness involved otherwise, I'd never be able to control my urge to just give the Bulls the best players. If I look at all the teams that need a scoring swing man, and OJ Mayo is the best available, I doubt there will be 13 teams on that list. Let's say there's 7 teams that need a scoring swing, go through them, let them all offer a contract that fits their team's cap/budget and let OJ decide where he wants to go. Maybe you have a Caron Butler situation where a pile of teams offer him the mid-level because that's all they can, but one is able to offer 8mil. Then the computer can decide.

1. I work on putting that together for the association guide tonight and tomorrow.

2. What you describe in the first scenario is correct. One alternative to this, is go to random.org and you can play out Caron Butler situation. So say six teams are interested, you have the range 1 through 6 and they will come up with number for you. You will have to determine what teams are 1-6 through. I know that kinda sucks, but we have to find way's around 2K's mistakes

[sfx]

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1. I work on putting that together for the association guide tonight and tomorrow.

2. What you describe in the first scenario is correct. One alternative to this, is go to random.org and you can play out Caron Butler situation. So say six teams are interested, you have the range 1 through 6 and they will come up with number for you. You will have to determine what teams are 1-6 through. I know that kinda sucks, but we have to find way's around 2K's mistakes

Sucks is an understatement. One thing MLB the Show 11 really got right was the offseason calendar. What I may do is list the teams 1-7 and generate a random order. So team 1 gets to put in a bid and if he doesn't jump right on it, let team 2 make an offer so there'd be two competing offers. A poor man's recreation of "He's leaning towards team 1 but there are other offers and he may surprise us." Unless the game doesn't allow players to think about contracts at all in which case, I hate this aspect of the game.

[zay916]

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As OKC, could i ship Ibaka, Nazr Muhammed, 2012 1st round, and 2013 1st round for K Love? I think this is fair since he'll probably reject the extension offer from T'Wolves IRL.

[Dpauley23]

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As OKC, could i ship Ibaka, Nazr Muhammed, 2012 1st round, and 2013 1st round for K Love? I think this is fair since he'll probably reject the extension offer from T'Wolves IRL.

That could be fair value for Love if he was unlikely to sign, but I found that doubtful. In order for Love to leave, he would have to take the QO and then leave the next year. That's hard to believe that he would do that when the Wolves are offering the max to him

[qpc123]

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As OKC, could i ship Ibaka, Nazr Muhammed, 2012 1st round, and 2013 1st round for K Love? I think this is fair since he'll probably reject the extension offer from T'Wolves IRL.

Yes, you could, but OKC isn't going to have salary CAP space to extend him(IRL anyways). Since 2k12 still has the old CBA then you may be able to do it and sign him long term. So it depends on how realistically you want handle it.

[BasedTaylor]

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This is fantasy thinking. No way those teams let both of those players go w/o something in return. If they do make it to those teams it wont be because the teams just let them walk. You really think 2 high caliber players are just gonna walk right into Dallas? U must be a Mavs fan.

Not at all... just my 2 cents.... I really don't even like the Mavs tbh.

[zay916]

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Yes, you could, but OKC isn't going to have salary CAP space to extend him(IRL anyways). Since 2k12 still has the old CBA then you may be able to do it and sign him long term. So it depends on how realistically you want handle it.

Yeah I guess. The new cap is 60 mil right? And whats the spending floor now?