Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

[volstopfan14]

Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

Udrih's deal is one year plus a team option so Philly could decline it. This would be purely a to clear cap space for Philly as Delfino is one year as well but they would be stuck with Harris for a year or two.

I thought Udrih was a player option? Maybe not. I didn't know Delfino was expiring either. That helps a little. I just think Philly could get a better deal. JMO.

BTW, after reading what you said about trade 6, I like it a lot better. It seems to work for both teams.

[Comduklakis]

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If your dead set on doing this trade then maybe you could do something like Cav's get: 1st rounder from LA, Will Bynum and Matt Barnes. Pistons get: Ryan Hollins, Troy Murphy and Jason Kapano. While the Lakers get: Ramon Sessions

Detroit sure gets an awful lot for Bynum. They get out of his contract (one more year at 3.5m) plus they get three expiring deals so no hit to the future salary cap. Three role players for Bynum plus salary cap relief seems a bit out of whack. Plus the Lakers are giving up a ton of front court depth and a 1st rounder for sessions. without Barnes, Murphy and Kapono, who's left? Bynum, Gasol, McRoberts, Caracter, and Luke Walton? To me the Lakers give up too much, the Pistons get way too much and the Cavs probably get too much as well.

[qpc123]

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I reworked the Gordon to Indiana deal...

Hornets get:
Granger from IND
L. Stephenson from IND
G. Wallace from POR
N. Smith from POR
2012 1st round pick from IND
2012 2nd round pick from POR

Pacers get:
E. Gordon from NOH
E. Williams from POR

Blazers get:
T. Ariza from NOH
C. Landry from NOH
D. Summers from NOH

Granger would have to play SG in New Orleans for the rest of the season as I don't see Wallace resigning there.

[qpc123]

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Udrih actually has a player option. My B. Edwards uploaded his roster 2K share messed it up so some of the contract's aren't right. I went and changed them, but not sure if others did. You might want to change them to make it more realistic

Mine has Udrih with a team option, I'll have to look at that, but since multiple people say it's a player I'm sure you're right.

This site has it a team option also, I can't find the link B.eds used, and this could be incorrect but idk. http://www.hoopsworld.com/milwaukee-bucks-team-salary

[Comduklakis]

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Thoughts on the trades.

1 or 2 is fine, although if Gordon is willing to resign with the Hornets I think he's a better player than Granger and a little younger.

I can see the logic behind #3 and for the Pistons I like it. they get out of Gordon's deal, replace him as 6th man with Johnson, plug Beasley in at SF. Not sure that the Wolves want Gordon though. He's showing some signs of life this year but after his first 2 years in Detroit I'm not sure he's that much of an upgrade on Ridnour, Wesley Johnson or even Ellington. Remember with Gordon all you get is a shot. If he's on great if he's not you have a lot of defensive mismatches and he doesn't contribute a lot of assists or rebounds.

Hate #4. Not trying to be rude, but I'm telling you as someone who lives in Michigan and reads coverage day in and day out that the folks around here and in the blogosphere are a lot more intent on getting rid of Prince than the pIstons are. The team KNEW they would be bad this year when they signed Prince to a 4 year deal. They wouldn't then turn around and trade him for almost nothing at the deadline. If the Pistons grab a SF in the lottery then maybe they move Prince, but otherwise I forsee him being in Detroit for atleast the first 2 years of his deal.

#6 way too little for Iggy. Udrih has a player option (I too corrected some contract stuff today) so the Sixers would be stuck with him for another yeasr. Delfino is expiring but only a 3 million or so deal. Rebuilding or not, bad year or not, I don't think the Sixers do nearly well enough here. The guy made the all star team IRL and in 2k land scores more than IRL.

The other trades seem ok.

[qpc123]

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What if you traded Iggy to Chicago? You could do Korver, Brewer, Gibson, John Lucas 2012 1st and Charlotte pick for Iggy, Jodie Meeks and Lavoy Allen.

As for Minnesota, I like what your thinking. I have them playing Williams at the 3 too with him getting some time at the 4 behind Love and Randolph. Also, I play Pekovic for them at the 5 while also giving Love some time there. I would look at getting a 2-guard instead for Minnesota. They need an elite perimeter defender on the wing there

My Warrior suggestion would be to do Prince and Ben Wallace for Kwame Brown, Dominic McGuire and 2013 1st rounder

Should that 2013 pick be lottery protected? Prince isn't that valuable at 31 years old with 4 years left on his deal.

[Dpauley23]

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Detroit sure gets an awful lot for Bynum. They get out of his contract (one more year at 3.5m) plus they get three expiring deals so no hit to the future salary cap. Three role players for Bynum plus salary cap relief seems a bit out of whack. Plus the Lakers are giving up a ton of front court depth and a 1st rounder for sessions. without Barnes, Murphy and Kapono, who's left? Bynum, Gasol, McRoberts, Caracter, and Luke Walton? To me the Lakers give up too much, the Pistons get way too much and the Cavs probably get too much as well.

The only player that the Pistons get that is role player is Murphy. Kapano and Hollins are just bench warmers and don't even play. With Bynum, McRobers, and Gasol they only need about 10 minutes for a big man. I would just have the Lakers sign someone such as Joel Pryzbilla. The Lakers give up a couple of crappy role players while getting a pretty good pg in Sessions. You seem to be undervaluing Sessions as a pg

[qpc123]

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Thoughts on the trades.

1 or 2 is fine, although if Gordon is willing to resign with the Hornets I think he's a better player than Granger and a little younger.

I can see the logic behind #3 and for the Pistons I like it. they get out of Gordon's deal, replace him as 6th man with Johnson, plug Beasley in at SF. Not sure that the Wolves want Gordon though. He's showing some signs of life this year but after his first 2 years in Detroit I'm not sure he's that much of an upgrade on Ridnour, Wesley Johnson or even Ellington. Remember with Gordon all you get is a shot. If he's on great if he's not you have a lot of defensive mismatches and he doesn't contribute a lot of assists or rebounds.

Hate #4. Not trying to be rude, but I'm telling you as someone who lives in Michigan and reads coverage day in and day out that the folks around here and in the blogosphere are a lot more intent on getting rid of Prince than the pIstons are. The team KNEW they would be bad this year when they signed Prince to a 4 year deal. They wouldn't then turn around and trade him for almost nothing at the deadline. If the Pistons grab a SF in the lottery then maybe they move Prince, but otherwise I forsee him being in Detroit for atleast the first 2 years of his deal.

#6 way too little for Iggy. Udrih has a player option (I too corrected some contract stuff today) so the Sixers would be stuck with him for another yeasr. Delfino is expiring but only a 3 million or so deal. Rebuilding or not, bad year or not, I don't think the Sixers do nearly well enough here. The guy made the all star team IRL and in 2k land scores more than IRL.

The other trades seem ok.

Not trying to argue, more of looking for your option since you're more knowledgeable of the Pistons.

If what you said is actually the way Pistons management thinks, doesn't seem like a terrible way to go about rebuilding the team? Resign an aging player to a long term deal when you know that the team is going to be bad, doesn't sound like a great idea to me. IRL wouldn't they be better served with the cap space?

Of course, NBA GM's are seemingly the worst in all the sports so I don't see that as an unrealistic way of someone acting. Plus even if they have the $ to pay a FA, is anyone really going to want to play there? My guess is no, so it makes a little more sense to sigh Prince since they won't be able to get anything any better.

[Dpauley23]

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Should that 2013 pick be lottery protected? Prince isn't that valuable at 31 years old with 4 years left on his deal.

Ya probably. I would do top 20 protected, 18 and 16. If they don't receive it the pick by 2015, then it turns into 2nd rounder unprotected

[Comduklakis]

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Not trying to argue, more of looking for your option since you're more knowledgeable of the Pistons.

If what you said is actually the way Pistons management thinks, doesn't seem like a terrible way to go about rebuilding the team? Resign an aging player to a long term deal when you know that the team is going to be bad, doesn't sound like a great idea to me. IRL wouldn't they be better served with the cap space?

Of course, NBA GM's are seemingly the worst in all the sports so I don't see that as an unrealistic way of someone acting. Plus even if they have the $ to pay a FA, is anyone really going to want to play there? My guess is no, so it makes a little more sense to sigh Prince since they won't be able to get anything any better.

The fans were up in arms over the deal, particularly since many fans turned on the so-called "old guard" of Prince, Rip Hamilton, Stuckey, Ben Wallace, etc. and felt like they were unprofessional last year (although in their defense Kuester may have been the worst coach I've ever seen). That said the team has a new owner. I think they wanted to be competitive while still rebuilding. Prince, despite some rumors to the contrary last year, is a good team player and role model for younger players and gives them a NBA caliber player at SF night in and night out. He certainly was better than any other options they might have brought in but I think all of us fans were shocked that they signed him for 4 years instead of 1 or 2. From a realism standpoint I wouldn't trade him this season or next year (unless they draft a lottery pick SF), but I certainly understand how a 2k GM would think Dumars was high on crack and want to cut their losses to start the rebuilding early. You trade Prince for picks and expiring contracts, you amnesty Villanueva, hope Ben Gordon refinds himself (he has shown flashes this year), build around Knight and Monroe and hope you hit the lottery.

[Dpauley23]

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The fans were up in arms over the deal, particularly since many fans turned on the so-called "old guard" of Prince, Rip Hamilton, Stuckey, Ben Wallace, etc. and felt like they were unprofessional last year (although in their defense Kuester may have been the worst coach I've ever seen). That said the team has a new owner. I think they wanted to be competitive while still rebuilding. Prince, despite some rumors to the contrary last year, is a good team player and role model for younger players and gives them a NBA caliber player at SF night in and night out. He certainly was better than any other options they might have brought in but I think all of us fans were shocked that they signed him for 4 years instead of 1 or 2. From a realism standpoint I wouldn't trade him this season or next year (unless they draft a lottery pick SF), but I certainly understand how a 2k GM would think Dumars was high on crack and want to cut their losses to start the rebuilding early. You trade Prince for picks and expiring contracts, you amnesty Villanueva, hope Ben Gordon refinds himself (he has shown flashes this year), build around Knight and Monroe and hope you hit the lottery.

IRL, Tayshaun is actually pretty horrible. Barely shooting 40 percent, has 12 PER and a TS of 45.5%. I could see why the Pistons would want to trade him as he basically sucks and probably should be a ninth or tenth man

[zay916]

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What do you mean I can't trade consecutive 1st rounders? Didn't NJ get DAL's 2 first rounders in the Jason Kidd deal?

[DarthRambo]

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I'll apolgize upfront for the long post.

I'm gonna throw a bunch of trades out here, obviously they won't all get done because several include the same players. I'm keep of list of 'approved' trades so when I get to deadline I know which deals I'm gonna make and don't have to sit and come up with them then. No Dwight deals in this group, I'll make a separate post at another time, since I'm waiting till the last minute to move him(if I move him at all).

I went through and established who the 'buyers' and 'sellers' would be and then tried to make deals that filled needs for the buyers while sending expiring contracts or young talent to the 'sellers'. However, there are a couple 'buyer' to 'buyer' deals, but at least one of the teams is boarderline 'buyers' depending on how things shake out heading into the deadline. If a player had an option I made sure it was a team option so is a seller gets them they can decline if they wish(ex. Martell Webster)

I didn't really give much consideration to draft picks in the trades so if you feel one would make a trade better let me know.

Feel free to comment on all or just one. I'll number them so you don't have to quote all this B.S. just refer to the number.

#1
Rockets get:
D. Granger
Amundson

Pacers get:
K. Martin
P. Patterson

#2
Hornets get:
Granger
G. Hill

Pacers get:
E. Gordon
C. Landry

#3
Pistons get:
W. Johnson
M. Webster
M. Beasley

T'Wolves get:
B. Gordon
T. Prince

#4
Pistons get:
K. Brown

Warriors get:
T. Prince

#5
Bucks get:
A. Iguodala

Sixers get:
B. Udrih
C. Delfino
T. Harris

#6
Nets get:
T. Thomas

Bobcats get:
K. Humphries

#7
T'Wolves get:
C. Maggette
D. Brown

Bobcats get:
M. Beasley
M. Webster

If you have questions about why a team would do this you can ask me, but it may aslo be helpful to check my dynasty page:http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2043355491

For example unlike real life the Sixers are pretty bad in my assoc. so they might part with Iggy to make way for Turner and Young and clear some cap space.

Trade #1- I like the deal overall, seen the Granger for Martin deal quite a few times on here. I'm iffy of Almundson for Patterson though...the Pacers may be getting a little too much for that part of the deal.

Trade #2- Pacers get way too much here, don't like it at all. (I'm a Pacers fan btw, live in Indy lol). Granger and prolly a 1st rd pick for Gordon if you want that trade to happen.

Trade #3- Don't see the T'Wolves taking on Prince's contract honestly. And Twolves getting older while the Pistons get way younger. That's just not happening imo.

Trade #4- Same...Warriors not taking that contract highly doubtful anyway. (Are you a Pistons fan lol). And Warriors need depth up front so this trade would make no sense for them.

Trade #5- I like the trade if the 76ers are out of playoff contention and the Bucks are fighting for the playoffs or in the playoffs looking to move up more. If not then I wouldn't make this trade personally. I have Delfino going to be a FA after the season anyway on mine, but that's just me.

Trade #6- Bobcats getting an expiring contract on this deal, while Nets are getting Thomas, who has 3yrs left worth about 27mil. I wouldn't mind the deal if you have the Bobcats throwing in a pick; however since they will prolly have a lottery pick I'm thinking that may be too much. If Bobcats are going to make the playoffs, Thomas and their 1st rounder would be worth it. If they aren't then I'd say Thomas and their 2nd rounder may be worth it. Tough one to call there for certain.

Trade #7- It's not a horrible trade, but I'd put the Bobcats in the running to land Beasley for a FA instead personally. I wouldn't argue the trade too much if you did it though.

[Dpauley23]

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What do you mean I can't trade consecutive 1st rounders? Didn't NJ get DAL's 2 first rounders in the Jason Kidd deal?

No they traded their 2008 and 2010 picks

[zay916]

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Ohhhh ok, I'll trade that one back then, thanks for the advice.