Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

[qpc123]

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I think he's asking for to little. The Bulls trade is an obvious DO IT trade for Chicago. Deng is great defender like you say but so is Gay. He's also a lot better offensive player. And Korver? Chicago would be fine with sending him along if it meant getting another top 20 player.

Also the Detroit trade seems fair in value but it's just that Memphis doesn't need Monroe and Detroit likes Monroe A LOT right now. Also nobody really wants Prince at the moment with his contract and how he's playing and his age. If Memphis made the trade of Gay for Maxiell and Prince I think the GM would be fired the next day tbh. Two bench players for a top notch player like Rudy Gay... no way!


Then the Nets trade that slyone posted is crazy as well. You're highly undervaluing Rudy Gay.

Agree to disagree, as I think you're over valuing him. The way I look at it if Gay was that good Memphis would be a top 3 team in the West this season, pretty easily. They went to the Conference Finals without him, with him they are a .500 team. His similarity score on basketball-reference.com(I won't detail what the score entails here but you can go to the site and read about it) that compares the shape and quality of players careers has him along side guys like Thaddeus Young, Ruben Patterson, Keith Van Horn, and Cliff Levingston.

Rudy is a lot like Andre Iguodala to me. Put in the right situation and he can be a nice piece for your team, but if you're looking for him to be a franchise cornerstone you'll end up disappointed.

I will agree the Prince/Maxiell deal wouldn't work in real life, but Prince is still a viable asset in 2k land.

I think the biggest problem we all have when discussing these trades is comparing a players real life value vs. his 2k value. I like to call it the 'Lopez paradox' after Brook and Robin, lol. Semi-athletic bigs who are mediocre in the real world but can be great for your 2k team.

[zay916]

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The Celtics voided Green's contract, but still have his rights, since technically he "failed a physical". So in Year 2, sign him with the C's for a 1 year MLE.

[Comduklakis]

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Agree to disagree, as I think you're over valuing him. The way I look at it if Gay was that good Memphis would be a top 3 team in the West this season, pretty easily. They went to the Conference Finals without him, with him they are a .500 team. His similarity score on basketball-reference.com(I won't detail what the score entails here but you can go to the site and read about it) that compares the shape and quality of players careers has him along side guys like Thaddeus Young, Ruben Patterson, Keith Van Horn, and Cliff Levingston.

Rudy is a lot like Andre Iguodala to me. Put in the right situation and he can be a nice piece for your team, but if you're looking for him to be a franchise cornerstone you'll end up disappointed.

I will agree the Prince/Maxiell deal wouldn't work in real life, but Prince is still a viable asset in 2k land.

I think the biggest problem we all have when discussing these trades is comparing a players real life value vs. his 2k value. I like to call it the 'Lopez paradox' after Brook and Robin, lol. Semi-athletic bigs who are mediocre in the real world but can be great for your 2k team.

Agree on all points. I think the Pistons wouldn't traded Monroe for Gay in a million years. Monroe is a legit post scorer, rebounder, and a solid passer. And the draft is full of 6-9 lottery picks with athleticism that the Pistons can have instead of Gay. As for Prince, the Pistons aren't nearly as unhappy with him as everyone here thinks. The team knew they were going to struggle this year and they still chose to sign him to a 4 year deal. 25 games into the season they aren't suddenly going to panic and fire sale him. And as was stated, in 2K he's a very solid player (and not nearly as bad IRL as some around here like to imply).

If I was the Bulls I also wouldn't trade Deng for Gay. While Gay, on paper and maybe in 2K world is an upgrade, the Bulls have great chemistry right now. Why risk it on a guy who's not a huge upgrade, even on paper, and who, to date, is making his team WORSE than the previous year when he was injured. And then adding in a very servicable player in Korver, who knows the Thibodeau system and his role is just way too much.

As for the Nets, it might be worth a shot. They certainly aren't going anywhere currently and if Howard doesn't seem to be coming, you might as well try something. Might be a bit much for Gay, but pairing Williams with Gay, Humphries, Brooks, and Lopez might spark the team.

[Slyone14]

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I think he's asking for to little. The Bulls trade is an obvious DO IT trade for Chicago. Deng is great defender like you say but so is Gay. He's also a lot better offensive player. And Korver? Chicago would be fine with sending him along if it meant getting another top 20 player.

Also the Detroit trade seems fair in value but it's just that Memphis doesn't need Monroe and Detroit likes Monroe A LOT right now. Also nobody really wants Prince at the moment with his contract and how he's playing and his age. If Memphis made the trade of Gay for Maxiell and Prince I think the GM would be fired the next day tbh. Two bench players for a top notch player like Rudy Gay... no way!
Then the Nets trade that slyone posted is crazy as well. You're highly undervaluing Rudy Gay.

What trade for gay did i suggest?? I would never suggest a trade with gay. The grizzles would never trade him. I did not suggest otherwise.

[nbcards]

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What trade for gay did i suggest?? I would never suggest a trade with gay. The grizzles would never trade him. I did not suggest otherwise.

it wasnt u it was bhzmfia14

[bhzmfia14]

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I'm a huge Grizz fan and I know that this offseason will be pretty tough in terms of keeping the right core together. To start the season, it was a no brainer that the core would be Conley, Gay, ZBO and Marc. Now, remember I'm not trying to trade Rudy in the 1st season of the franchise. I'm heading into the offseason and Rudy just doesn't fit the teams style of play. He's a great player, but he has those lazy days where he barely wants to play. That's whats keeping him from becoming a top 10 player.

I'm thinking more real life in terms of a deal rather than 2k land though. And I figured that getting rid of Gay's $16M thats on the books next season for 2 or 3 good players around the $8-12M range combined would 1) save space to re-sign OJ and Arthur (2 big pieces to Grizz success), 2) give the team a little more flexibility.

There is no information out right now about the Grizz trading Rudy, which definitely won't happen THIS season. Memphis has to see how he and ZBO perform together and how far they can go in the playoffs with both on the floor. If they don't meet expectations, there's a good chance Rudy may be traded. I lost in the 1st round of the playoffs in my 1st season, so that's why I'm looking to possibly dealing him.

Right now, my roster is similar to the current Memphis roster. Speights, Young, OJ, Arthur are my FA's. I'm letting Speights and Young walk. I'm looking to add another big to play alongside a re-signed Arthur, a backup PG and a wing scorer off the bench. Pending on who I trade Gay for, I may or may not start OJ.

I do like Toronto as a trade partner though. Amir Johnson/Derozan/something else would seem like a good deal. I've looked at a possible 3 team deal involving Rondo going to Memphis, Gay/Conley going to Boston and finding a 3rd team to take Pierce. There are a ton of options when using Rudy because he has a lot of value.

After all, I may end up keeping Rudy if there isn't a deal out there I really like. But, Rudy would be the first to go out of ZBO/Marc because Memphis success comes from the interior, not the perimeter. ZBO/Marc are here to stay long-term and I'm sure Gay is, but its a little less likely.

[BasedTaylor]

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Agree on all points. I think the Pistons wouldn't traded Monroe for Gay in a million years. Monroe is a legit post scorer, rebounder, and a solid passer. And the draft is full of 6-9 lottery picks with athleticism that the Pistons can have instead of Gay. As for Prince, the Pistons aren't nearly as unhappy with him as everyone here thinks. The team knew they were going to struggle this year and they still chose to sign him to a 4 year deal. 25 games into the season they aren't suddenly going to panic and fire sale him. And as was stated, in 2K he's a very solid player (and not nearly as bad IRL as some around here like to imply).

If I was the Bulls I also wouldn't trade Deng for Gay. While Gay, on paper and maybe in 2K world is an upgrade, the Bulls have great chemistry right now. Why risk it on a guy who's not a huge upgrade, even on paper, and who, to date, is making his team WORSE than the previous year when he was injured. And then adding in a very servicable player in Korver, who knows the Thibodeau system and his role is just way too much.

As for the Nets, it might be worth a shot. They certainly aren't going anywhere currently and if Howard doesn't seem to be coming, you might as well try something. Might be a bit much for Gay, but pairing Williams with Gay, Humphries, Brooks, and Lopez might spark the team.

Actually if you take a look around the NBA the weakest positions are the wing positions. If you have a top notch one you shouldn't just give it away. Not trying to knock Monroe in the least because I like him A LOT, but he's more of a PF, although he's doing very well at Center. the PF position is easily the most loaded position in the NBA right now, along with PG. Also Gay himself isn't making the team worse, come on. ZBo is missing which is a big hit. They're also missing Arthur who is HIGLY underrated on the defensive end. So when ZBo went down they didn't have a replacement for him like a Sam Young. I'm not saying Gay is a HOF'er or anything but he's a lot better then you guys are makin him out to be.

Edit: Also if think Gay is making the Grizz worse, you're nuts!! They're 12-12 without Zbo. I'm pretty sure they can make a run maybe... their record wasn't amazing last year without Gay was it? They were the 8 seed and beat a 1 seed... who's to say that can't happen again?

[BasedTaylor]

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Agree to disagree, as I think you're over valuing him. The way I look at it if Gay was that good Memphis would be a top 3 team in the West this season, pretty easily. They went to the Conference Finals without him, with him they are a .500 team. His similarity score on basketball-reference.com(I won't detail what the score entails here but you can go to the site and read about it) that compares the shape and quality of players careers has him along side guys like Thaddeus Young, Ruben Patterson, Keith Van Horn, and Cliff Levingston.

Rudy is a lot like Andre Iguodala to me. Put in the right situation and he can be a nice piece for your team, but if you're looking for him to be a franchise cornerstone you'll end up disappointed.

I will agree the Prince/Maxiell deal wouldn't work in real life, but Prince is still a viable asset in 2k land.

I think the biggest problem we all have when discussing these trades is comparing a players real life value vs. his 2k value. I like to call it the 'Lopez paradox' after Brook and Robin, lol. Semi-athletic bigs who are mediocre in the real world but can be great for your 2k team.

True, I'll agree with that. It mainly depends on the player though. I like to keep trades to trades I think would happen in real life. I try to discount all video game stuff when doing trades etc (I know kind of dumb considering I'm playing a video game lol)

[Slyone14]

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So in my 30 teAm chise and i want more min for biyombo. Who do u thi k is a fair trade for tyrius thomas, looking for a center or sf. Do u think igy is too much? Need suggestions please. What also about that new c on phil. Thank u for ur suggestions. I am also willing to part with dj augustine

[Slyone14]

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I am open to any trade. Thinking this.

Cats trade

Tyrius thomas
Reggie williams
2nd rounder

Phi trades

Andre iddy
N. Vucevic.

[chiliad]

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I am open to any trade. Thinking this.

Cats trade

Tyrius thomas
Reggie williams
2nd rounder

Phi trades

Andre iddy
N. Vucevic.

Don't really see the upside for Philly in this deal. Tyrus Thomas would fit in defensively, but other than that he's pretty much been a bust by all accounts. Reggie Williams would probably play a role for the Sixers just because of their lack of depth at the 3, but I'm not sure the role would be that great. And in my opinion the Sixers would be foolish to let go of a young big like Vucevic with Hawes about to enter unrestricted free agency this summer. In all likelihood they'll resign Hawes, but Vucevic is a first round pick and highly touted within the Philly organization. I think Philly loses big in this trade all around, and that's not even taking into account Tyrus Thomas' not so great contract. I don't know why Philly would want a PF with that contract longterm when they already have Brand. Especially if they have to give up the best player on the team in Iguodala in exchange for two guys who probably won't even start.

[Slyone14]

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Don't really see the upside for Philly in this deal. Tyrus Thomas would fit in defensively, but other than that he's pretty much been a bust by all accounts. Reggie Williams would probably play a role for the Sixers just because of their lack of depth at the 3, but I'm not sure the role would be that great. And in my opinion the Sixers would be foolish to let go of a young big like Vucevic with Hawes about to enter unrestricted free agency this summer. In all likelihood they'll resign Hawes, but Vucevic is a first round pick and highly touted within the Philly organization. I think Philly loses big in this trade all around, and that's not even taking into account Tyrus Thomas' not so great contract. I don't know why Philly would want a PF with that contract longterm when they already have Brand. Especially if they have to give up the best player on the team in Iguodala in exchange for two guys who
probably won't even start.

Okay good points man, any ideas who i can trade thomas for fairly? In a package deal for a c or sf?

[zay916]

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^^^ Don't undervalue BJ Mullens, in Year 1 of my association, he averaged 11 pts and 6 rebs in only 22 min.

[Fitz1134]

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Has anyone put up the excel sheet that helps keep your association organized, sorry if you did just couldn't find it with all the posts.



Also what rosters should I use for Xbox as the sim world association rosters have yet to be released. Looking for the most realistic rosters out there so that everyone isn't 90+ ratings.

[Dpauley23]

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Has anyone put up the excel sheet that helps keep your association organized, sorry if you did just couldn't find it with all the posts.



Also what rosters should I use for Xbox as the sim world association rosters have yet to be released. Looking for the most realistic rosters out there so that everyone isn't 90+ ratings.

I'm not sure what Excel sheet your talking about. Could you please expand more on what your talking about