Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion

[volstopfan14]

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Anyone who's doing a dynasty thread have any idea on why my logos aren't coming out right? These are from the OS table generator and they show up fine in the preview but when I copy and paste the HTML code to the dynasty thread they don't seem to show up and I get "x" instead of the team logo.

This sounds crazy, but I copy it from the preview and put it in a word document. Then I copy it again from the document and post it on here. If I don't use the word document it messes up. IDK why, but it works.

[fluent2332]

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I actually used this as my basis cause, like you, I feel getting Eric Gordon back to Indiana would be huge and like you said, Monta would come in and dominate New Orleans (from the south as well; Jackson, Mississippi and Tennessee).

My trade looks like this:

Spoiler

Warriors get: Granger and Kaman
Pacers get: Gordon, Ariza and Kwame Brown(expiring contract)
Hornets get: Ellis, Dorrell Wright, 2012 & 2013 first round picks from Pacers


Warriors get their big man at Center in Kaman and by getting rid of Monta this allows Klay Thompson to come in and develop. With Curry, Rush, and Granger the Warriors become a great 3 point shooting team.


Pacers acquiring hometown hero Eric Gordon allows them to move over Paul George to his natural position. Ariza provides the Pacers with more bench depth (backup SG and SF) that also happens to be an excellent defender (Buh Bye Dhanty Jones). Kwame Brown is an expiring contract and with all of this value the Pacers have to give up 2 future first rounders (they actually get younger with Gordon, 24 and Ariza, 26)

Hornets get something for Gordon who wants out anyways. They get a fantastic scorer in Ellis that can come in and dominate the ball(exactly what they need) and also pick up two future first round picks to help re-build. Hopefully David Stern approves this trade lol.

Thoughts? Opinions? What do you guys think?

As a GS guy, that trade would be a definite "no". Kaman is not the answer at center and Granger for Ellis is a downgrade. Plus we lose Dorell Wright who is a good value contract, and Kwame who GS actually likes, and will probably be resigned next year if we don't find a center in free agency. I don't see the Warriors doing that.

[SteboSSK]

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Why on earth would anyone trade 2 1st round picks for Eric Gordon? This man cant even stay healthy. He has alot of talent but not something that cant be found for a lesser price around the league.

[Comduklakis]

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This sounds crazy, but I copy it from the preview and put it in a word document. Then I copy it again from the document and post it on here. If I don't use the word document it messes up. IDK why, but it works.

thanks for the tip. I'll try that because I tried deleting the URL (tried deleting certain parts, etc.) and it still wouldn't give me logos. I do so homemade tables on Word anways that they don't offer through the generator, so I'll give that a try.

[BasedTaylor]

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Dwight Howard and Brook Lopez could be switching uniforms soon.
With the NBA trade deadline approaching, lots of players are being mentioned in rumors. Here's the latest on the big names who could be on the move:

Dwight Howard, C
As everyone knows, Dwight and his agent, Dan Fegan, asked Orlando for permission to speak with three teams in the preseason: New Jersey, Dallas and the Los Angeles Lakers. But there are three other teams that should be thrown into the mix: Orlando, New York and the Los Angeles Clippers.

New Jersey/Brooklyn remains the odds-on favorite because Dwight has eyes for Brooklyn and the tremendous marketing opportunities it could present, not to mention he loves the thought of teaming with all-star point guard Deron Williams. In Brooklyn, as the face of the Nets' "new'' franchise, Howard could receive an Adidas deal similar to the $260 million one Derrick Rose recently signed. Howard's preference would be to sign with New Jersey as a free agent, thereby allowing the Nets to keep the solid role players -- Brook Lopez, MarShon Brooks, Kris Humphries, Jordan Farmar and Anthony Morrow -- they'd have to trade to get him before March 15.

Orlando is underwhelmed by the Nets' personnel and would want a third or fourth team involved in any trade. It's possible the clubs could revisit the three-team trade they nearly pulled off in December since Portland is now, according to sources, once again willing to part with Gerald Wallace. Back in December, talks between the three teams had Wallace joining Lopez in Orlando. While the Nets would be amenable to such a deal, they don't currently have any three-team packages on the table because of the uncertainty over whether the Magic will trade Howard, sources said. It's difficult to arrange such complicated trade scenarios when you're not sure the main team in the deal will play ball.

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Could Howard be dunking for New Jersey this year?
Nonetheless, one Eastern Conference executive said he believes that if Howard is traded before the deadline, it will be to New Jersey. But the Nets should not begin stitching Howard's jersey just yet. The same executive, as well as several others around the association, believe the longer this goes on without a resolution, the better Dallas's chances of snagging both Howard and Williams. Mavs owner Mark Cuban is positioning himself to make a run at both players and if he can move Shawn Marion after the season, he could be in position to offer both players near-max deals. Williams, a Dallas native, would love to play in his hometown, and Howard, Dirk Nowitzki and he could form a big three that would rival Miami's.

I'm getting conflicting information on Howard's desire to play for the Lakers. Reports suggest Howard has cooled on the idea of playing alongside Kobe Bryant in Los Angeles, and a plugged-in source insists that Howard definitely does not want to play for the Lakers. But another person close to the situation insists that Howard remains open to the possibility of playing long-term with the Lakers.

The Clippers have not engaged the Magic in trade talks for Howard recently, but Howard would be open to playing with Chris Paul. A Clippers package featuring Blake Griffin could get the deal done, but sources say the Clippers will not trade their all-star power forward, even for D12.

New York is another place Howard would consider settling in long-term, and the talent-laden Knicks could offer a package that could rival just about anyone's, something along the lines of Carmelo Anthony and Tyson Chandler. The Knicks, however, have not discussed this scenario with the Magic and sources say, they will only get involved in a potential trade for Howard if the Orlando center gives strong indications that he wants to play there. Otherwise, the Knicks do not believe it's worth the risk of potentially upsetting some of their star players by including them in a trade offer that's unlikely to be accepted. That said, the Knicks would send Amare Stoudemire to Orlando in a second. But the Magic have no interest in Stoudemire because of his bum knees and decreased production.

Finally, there's Orlando. Howard has not completely shut the door on the possibility of staying with the Magic long-term. Perhaps he will before March 15, but that is unlikely. Howard, sources say, has almost resigned himself to the fact that Orlando will not trade him this season. So while they're considering dealing him over the next two weeks, the Magic will also look for trades that can bring them a star to play beside Howard. They reportedly have their sights set on Steve Nash, but sources say Phoenix is not going to trade him. They also like Monte Ellis, but Golden State wants a big man that Orlando does not have in return. While it's trying, Orlando is finding it hard to pull off a trade that will appease Howard , in part because his lack of a commitment to remain there long-term makes other stars leery of joining the Magic.

Golden State is desperate to get in the Howard mix, even though it has been given no indications by Howard's camp that he will stay their long-term. Still, the Warriors, thinking they could convince Howard to stay in the Bay area, are mulling making an offer that could include some of their best players.

Pau Gasol, C/F
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Houston likes Gasol, but if costs Kyle Lowry, no deal.
Everyone knows the Lakers are willing to move Gasol, if only because they actually did move him in the preseason (before Commissioner David Stern nixed the three-team Chris Paul trade that had Gasol going to Houston). The Lakers, however, are not going to just give Gasol away. They want a star-quality player/players in return. Houston still wants Gasol, and a package of Luis Scola and Kyle Lowry could perhaps get it done. But the Rockets, as much as they like Gasol, do not want to lose Lowry, sources say. With the point guard enjoying a breakout season -- and the Rockets winning as well -- Houston wants to build around Lowry.

Minnesota has long been rumored to be in the mix for Gasol, who wouldn't mind playing with Ricky Rubio, but sources say the clubs haven't spoken about a Pau trade in months. And with 26-year-old center Nikola Pekovic emerging (he's averaged 16.8 points and 9.9 rebounds on 57% shooting in February), the Timberwolves don't need to bring in the older and far more expensive Gasol, who is 31.

While the Lakers have been reluctant to give up Gasol and Andrew Bynum for Howard, that trade, perhaps with Hedo Turkoglu thrown in, remains a possibility. Chicago has shown interest in Gasol, according to sources. One source says the Bulls like their team but have doubts about their ability to beat Miami without making one more move.

Chicago would give the Lakers Carlos Boozer in a heartbeat, but that won't get it done for Gasol. The Lakers would likely want Luol Deng thrown into the trade, which would be a deal-breaker for the Bulls.

Rajon Rondo, PG

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Is Rondo a headache for the Doc? If so, he's could be on his way out.
Boston is aggressively shopping Rondo, according to sources. The Celtics find Rondo's personality to be too high-maintenance and his clashes with coach Doc Rivers continue. With the Celtics having realized they are no longer title contenders, they don't believe the payoff is worth the headaches Rondo brings, sources say. And they do not want to build around him.

In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause. The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially.

Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry, SG

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The Warriors would rather move Curry, but Ellis could fetch a larger bounty.
While Boston is wondering about Steph Curry, the Warrior whose name is most often heard in trade rumors is Monte Ellis. Ellis has been open to (though not insistent) leaving Golden State for years, and if he had his druthers, he'd wind up with the Lakers, the Bulls or the Magic next to Dwight Howard, sources say. But none of those scenarios appears likely. While an Ellis trade is certainly possible, the Warriors would rather move Curry than Ellis, whom they believe is the better player.

Golden State is desperate for a big man and it would take a good one for them to part with either guard. The Warriors did in fact call New Jersey back in December to inform the Nets that they would be willing to participate in a three-team trade with Orlando, whereby the Warriors would send Ellis to Orlando in exchange for Brook Lopez, according to sources.

While that deal has little chance of happening, in part because Orlando would want much more than Ellis in return for Howard -- in fact, the Magic would want at least Lopez and Ellis -- if the Nets are able to sign Howard as a free agent this summer, they could revisit the Lopez-for-Ellis scenario since Lopez would then become expendable.

Michael Beasley, PF
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He's talented for sure, but Beasley can also be problematic.
Beasley's talent is undeniable, as shown in Tuesday's 27-point outburst against the Clippers. But the Timberwolves are unwilling to invest in him long-term because of his "issues'', as well as their logjam at the forward spot. They are now trying to get whatever they can for Beasley before letting him walk as a free agent this summer.

The Lakers are interested, but conflicted. Minnesota offered the Lakers Beasley for the Lakers' best first-round pick, but the Lakers' unwillingness to pay the extra luxury tax money they would incur from Beasley's contract, have thus far turned down the deal. Beasley makes $6.2 million this season, but with the Lakers being a taxpayer, that equates to $12. million. While it's clear Beasley will make the Lakers better, will he make them good enough to justify that type of money. That's the question the Lakers are asking themselves. The Lakers own their own first-round pick as well as Dallas' first-round pick, though the Dallas pick is Top 20 protected.

I'm also told the Lakers may sign Gilbert Arenas after the all-star break (now) or the trade deadline. Arenas, according to a source, was "explosive'' and "had his athleticism back'' during his recent workout with the Lakers.

Chris Kaman, C
Kaman will almost certainly be moved. New Orleans has no use for him and simply wants to get something -- even if it's just a second-round draft pick -- for him, according to sources. A month ago, when the Hornets told Kaman to stay home and wait to be traded, they were asking for a young player, a draft pick and an expiring contract. Now, their aspirations aren't so lofty. Golden State, Houston and Miami have interest in Kaman.

Raymond Felton and Gerald Wallace, G
The two Blazers who are virtually untouchable are LaMarcus Aldridge and Nicholas Batum. With the Blazers struggling, everyone else is available, particularly Felton and Wallace. Felton just lost his starting job to Jamal Crawford. Felton, who is having the worst season of his career, had spoken with coach Nate McMillan about coming off the bench to jump start his game, but only temporarily. If the lineup change persists, Felton will be even more uncomfortable and unhappy than he is already. Felton is in the last year of his contract and making $7.5 million.

The question interested teams have to ask themselves is how much are you willing to give up for a potential rental. The Lakers would have interest, but what are they going to give up? Fear of the luxury tax penalty would likely keep them from using their trade exception on Felton. Wallace has a player option for $11.4 million next season, so you wonder what teams will be willing to pay that next season.

[BasedTaylor]

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Sorry for the length of the last post. I wasn't sure how many people had the Insider access for ESPN.

I won't say all the trades are perfect or even that good but there's some decent ones in there or you could just use it for ideas. I, myself have just started a new Assoc. and think I might Rondo get dealt round the trade deadline.


One thing I have to comment though is when Broussard says the Warriors value Ellis more then Curry. I Lol'd and if that's true then just.....

[EAGLESFAN10]

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I know this is for 30-team control associations but I control 1 team and turn off CPU trades until 5 days to 1 week before the trade deadline so that the CPU can pnly sign players, realease players, send players to the d-league, ETC....

So whn it gets close 2 the deadline the teams can have a pretty good ida on who they want 2 trade

Also so they want be trading just 2 be trading players and so they can draft NEEDS instead of WANTS

Teams can build for the future this way also

Before I started my association over the Celtics big 3 got broken up

They traded Ray Allen .... i could see that happening

This also helps with injuries

Instead trading somebody because a player got injured u can use practice 2 develop a decent bench player or sign a FA who has potential

If that player comes back and that FA or bench player has a good 2 weeks of Good b-ball it makes ur team alot better plus it doesnt mess up ur TEAM CHEMISTRY depending on the play of the player

In real life teams are going 2 do what they want

so ima use rotations as an example

Dont be afraid 2 mix up ur rotations hhere and there ....

Bulls for example: Hamilton is having a terrible week ... BENCH him and bring in Brewer

Dont be afraid 2 BENCH STAR PLAYERS !

If taj Gibson has been playing better than Boozer then dont be afraid 2 bring him off the bench

If you do control 1 team when it comes 2 the draft/trading players..... dont worry about what other teams are trading/drafting just worry about what u need 2 do 2 make ur team better ....

Make smart trades

Dont try 2 go get STAR players from others teams just because u cant beat em' or ur trying 2 become a contender in 1 year ...... it takes time 2 become a contender .... Adding stars doesnt make ur team a contender/championship team

Fire Coaches during the season brings a new demension 2 ur association

[Comduklakis]

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I know this is for 30-team control associations but I control 1 team and turn off CPU trades until 5 days to 1 week before the trade deadline so that the CPU can pnly sign players, realease players, send players to the d-league, ETC....

Unfortunately that still raises issues. I simmed several associations just to check sim stats, see how trades went, etc. and the signings by the CPu were just awful. The most glaring example, but by no means only bad signing, was Earl Boykins signing with someone (I wish I could remember who) for a full 1 year 5.76 million MLE. Yes, Earl Boykins got 5.76 million for one year. Then you get the issue of teams bringing up CPU generated D-league guys instead of signing real players.

That said, it's a video game so however you enjoy playing is fine by me and if it works for you, great. I just wanted to chime in with a reminder on why some of us refuse to allow the CPU to make any decisions other than scouting.

[Smallfrie09]

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Hey guys, I wanted to see what you guys think about this trade. It involves getting Ellis to the Magic without giving up Howard. It is a 3 team trade between Utah, Warriors, and Magic:

Magic receive:
Ellis
Biedrins

Warriors receive:
Al Jefferson
Devan Harris
Jason Richardson

Utah Receives:
J.J. Redick
Kwame Brown (expiring contract)
Ekpe Udoh
Ryan Anderson(expiring small contract)
Daniel Orton (Young with potential)

Utah would have to release a few guys to make it work but I think it would help the team get smaller contracts but still stay competitive. I do feel Warriors would love this trade. They keep saying they want a star in return for Ellis but getting Jefferson, Harris, and Richardson is more than enough for Ellis.

[BasedTaylor]

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Interesting trade idea. Keep hearing Rondo mentioned as having problems in Boston with Doc and basically everyone there. So maybe a Rondo and Dooling (expiring) trade to Indy for Granger? The Pacers are good right now but a pass first PG could maybe put them even closer. They'd lose their so called go to guy but I think Rondo would set everyone else up better. Problem for the Celtics is Granger plays the 3 like Pierce. So maybe the Celtics also find a way to unload Pierce or play him at the 2?

[qpc123]

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Hey guys, I wanted to see what you guys think about this trade. It involves getting Ellis to the Magic without giving up Howard. It is a 3 team trade between Utah, Warriors, and Magic:

Magic receive:
Ellis
Biedrins

Warriors receive:
Al Jefferson
Devan Harris
Jason Richardson

Utah Receives:
J.J. Redick
Kwame Brown (expiring contract)
Ekpe Udoh
Ryan Anderson(expiring small contract)
Daniel Orton (Young with potential)

Utah would have to release a few guys to make it work but I think it would help the team get smaller contracts but still stay competitive. I do feel Warriors would love this trade. They keep saying they want a star in return for Ellis but getting Jefferson, Harris, and Richardson is more than enough for Ellis.

My biggest issue with this trade is that it makes Utah pretty bare at point guard, the way the league is right now you have to have a pretty good PG to compete, unless you have a big time star(i.e. Kobe). The Jazz would be left with the combo of Earl Watson and Jamal Tinsley, that would be the worst pair if PG in the league IMO. Harris going to the Warriors moves Curry to SG spot I assume, with Mark Jackson being defensive minded I don't see him liking that at all.

In addition I view Anderson and Howard as a package deal, a stretch 4 isn't going to be very useful to the Jazz without a real low post threat, Millsap is good but not a real dominant post up player and Kanter is inexperienced.

All in all I don't like how this shapes up for any of the teams involved. Clearing Cap in Utah isn't really going to help them since Salt Lake City isn't really going draw any big name FA's, they'd be better served by getting picks for Jefferson then players who will just walk when their contracts are up leaving them with nothing.

[qpc123]

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Interesting trade idea. Keep hearing Rondo mentioned as having problems in Boston with Doc and basically everyone there. So maybe a Rondo and Dooling (expiring) trade to Indy for Granger? The Pacers are good right now but a pass first PG could maybe put them even closer. They'd lose their so called go to guy but I think Rondo would set everyone else up better. Problem for the Celtics is Granger plays the 3 like Pierce. So maybe the Celtics also find a way to unload Pierce or play him at the 2?

So who plays point for Boston? Avery Bradley, I assume.

You are also essentially loading the teams with players where they already a good player. Granger and Pierce are both 3's and the Pacers would have Collison, Rondo, and Dooling all at PG.

If you want to do this, I think you would have to move Pierce and Collison also. Could Pierce or Granger play SG, yes, but what do you do with Ray Allen then?

According to the ESPN trade machine, you could do a Rondo and Pierce for Collison and Granger deal which would solve the issue of stacking those teams at certain positions.

On another note, thanks for posting the ESPN insider stuff.

[BasedTaylor]

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So who plays point for Boston? Avery Bradley, I assume.

You are also essentially loading the teams with players where they already a good player. Granger and Pierce are both 3's and the Pacers would have Collison, Rondo, and Dooling all at PG.

If you want to do this, I think you would have to move Pierce and Collison also. Could Pierce or Granger play SG, yes, but what do you do with Ray Allen then?

According to the ESPN trade machine, you could do a Rondo and Pierce for Collison and Granger deal which would solve the issue of stacking those teams at certain positions.

On another note, thanks for posting the ESPN insider stuff.

No problem.

On the trade, yeah it's just a random thought one. I was mostly figuring on the Celtics moving more guys after they pull this deal off. Like Ray and KG maybe and maybe Pierce. Only problem with Pierce to IND is that I don't think they'd want that big contract with what they've got going at the moment. I'm not even sure if they'd want Rondo, but it was worth throwing out there incase someone else liked it.

[chinatownpwnage]

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my friend who is not on OS, but i told him about and showed him 30-control wants to know if it would be realistic, in his 3rd year association to trade Lebron because they have yet to win a ring

[Comduklakis]

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my friend who is not on OS, but i told him about and showed him 30-control wants to know if it would be realistic, in his 3rd year association to trade Lebron because they have yet to win a ring

For the right price maybe. I'm talking Derrick Rose or Chris Paul involved or if for some crazy reason Miami is completely in the tank and wants to rebuild then several picks, and a couple long term starting caliber players would be required. But sure if Lebron and Wade have trouble getting over the hump and co-existing at the end of games, then I could see it...for the right price.