Numbers Don't Lie

[silky4]

Re: The Facts Speak for Themselves

IGN said that Live was an "arcade" game simply because he couldn't make mid-range jumpers. The first time I heard that I laughed, because that's the one complaint about the REAL NBA, that the mid-range jumper is a lost art! The reviewer otherwise gave the impression that he thought it had a very sim-like feel, except for that. Now, I thought he was reviewing the game and stating that based on last year's game which was completetly arcade, which wasn't fair to readers. It was almost as if he expected the game to be like an arcade, it wasn't, then he said to himself, "well, since I can't hit a jumper, it's still arcade". Like you all have said, you can't trust reviewers, just play the games yourself. I've heard great things about 2k4...

[Walker8]

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So which one is better? Ive played them both and cant make up my mind!!!

[Walker8]

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So which one is better? Ive played them both and cant make up my mind!!!

[Walker8]

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So which one is better? Ive played them both and cant make up my mind!!!

[Limee]

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amra01 said:
i think the reviewers of the major sites and magazines judge the game in comparison with all the games of the gaming industry so they don't know specific problems about a basketball game or how a game can be a sim or not...for this you want someone who knows how basketball can be played and how teams can play etc. as for the minor details the reviews talk about, a 5 child kid can say that graphs of espn are better than live...reviewers sack big time...

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That's exactly my point. For example, when a reviewer reviews a rugby video game and says that only people who like rugby should think of buying it, and that it is otherwise a crap game, what is that review worth to people who do love rugby video games?

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We get this over here all the time for NFL, NBA and slightly less for NHL. You know what the review is going to say before you even read it. US Football/Basketball doesn't have much of a following on this side of the atlantic......

[Limee]

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Jus said:
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amra01 said:
i think the reviewers of the major sites and magazines judge the game in comparison with all the games of the gaming industry so they don't know specific problems about a basketball game or how a game can be a sim or not...for this you want someone who knows how basketball can be played and how teams can play etc. as for the minor details the reviews talk about, a 5 child kid can say that graphs of espn are better than live...reviewers sack big time...

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That's exactly my point. For example, when a reviewer reviews a rugby video game and says that only people who like rugby should think of buying it, and that it is otherwise a crap game, what is that review worth to people who do love rugby video games?

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We get this over here all the time for NFL, NBA and slightly less for NHL. You know what the review is going to say before you even read it. US Football/Basketball doesn't have much of a following on this side of the atlantic......

[Limee]

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Jus said:
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amra01 said:
i think the reviewers of the major sites and magazines judge the game in comparison with all the games of the gaming industry so they don't know specific problems about a basketball game or how a game can be a sim or not...for this you want someone who knows how basketball can be played and how teams can play etc. as for the minor details the reviews talk about, a 5 child kid can say that graphs of espn are better than live...reviewers sack big time...

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That's exactly my point. For example, when a reviewer reviews a rugby video game and says that only people who like rugby should think of buying it, and that it is otherwise a crap game, what is that review worth to people who do love rugby video games?

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We get this over here all the time for NFL, NBA and slightly less for NHL. You know what the review is going to say before you even read it. US Football/Basketball doesn't have much of a following on this side of the atlantic......

[Nkredible]

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prevev said:
How can everyone complain so much about this game. It's totally fine to point out the cons, but wtf is up with some people basically saying this year is a write off in terms of bball games, wait til next year, and others sayin wait til Inside Drive, it will destroy Live and ESPN. Well look at the rankings (from gamerankings.com):

Stuff Gamer 5 out of 5 100.0%
GamePro.com 5 out of 5 100.0%
Playstation Magazine 5 out of 5 100.0%
Game Informer 9.5 out of 10 95.0%
Game Zone 9.5 out of 10 95.0%
GamingWorld 9.4 out of 10 94.0%
IGN 9.2 out of 10 92.0%
Gamer Feed 4.5 out of 5 90.0%
Lawrence 90 out of 100 90.0%
PSM Magazine 9 out of 10 90.0%
Play Magazine A- 90.0%
Electronic Gaming Monthly 9 out of 10 90.0%
GameSpot 8.9 out of 10 89.0%
Game Revolution B+ 85.0%
GMR Magazine 8 out of 10 80.0%

The numbers speak for themselves.


There you go, stop complaining about the way I phrased the title.

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were you saying this when live 2003 was getting bettah scores here and there? Were u saying this when live 2003 DEMOLISHED 2k3 in sales? Please....

[Nkredible]

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prevev said:
How can everyone complain so much about this game. It's totally fine to point out the cons, but wtf is up with some people basically saying this year is a write off in terms of bball games, wait til next year, and others sayin wait til Inside Drive, it will destroy Live and ESPN. Well look at the rankings (from gamerankings.com):

Stuff Gamer 5 out of 5 100.0%
GamePro.com 5 out of 5 100.0%
Playstation Magazine 5 out of 5 100.0%
Game Informer 9.5 out of 10 95.0%
Game Zone 9.5 out of 10 95.0%
GamingWorld 9.4 out of 10 94.0%
IGN 9.2 out of 10 92.0%
Gamer Feed 4.5 out of 5 90.0%
Lawrence 90 out of 100 90.0%
PSM Magazine 9 out of 10 90.0%
Play Magazine A- 90.0%
Electronic Gaming Monthly 9 out of 10 90.0%
GameSpot 8.9 out of 10 89.0%
Game Revolution B+ 85.0%
GMR Magazine 8 out of 10 80.0%

The numbers speak for themselves.


There you go, stop complaining about the way I phrased the title.

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were you saying this when live 2003 was getting bettah scores here and there? Were u saying this when live 2003 DEMOLISHED 2k3 in sales? Please....

[Nkredible]

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prevev said:
How can everyone complain so much about this game. It's totally fine to point out the cons, but wtf is up with some people basically saying this year is a write off in terms of bball games, wait til next year, and others sayin wait til Inside Drive, it will destroy Live and ESPN. Well look at the rankings (from gamerankings.com):

Stuff Gamer 5 out of 5 100.0%
GamePro.com 5 out of 5 100.0%
Playstation Magazine 5 out of 5 100.0%
Game Informer 9.5 out of 10 95.0%
Game Zone 9.5 out of 10 95.0%
GamingWorld 9.4 out of 10 94.0%
IGN 9.2 out of 10 92.0%
Gamer Feed 4.5 out of 5 90.0%
Lawrence 90 out of 100 90.0%
PSM Magazine 9 out of 10 90.0%
Play Magazine A- 90.0%
Electronic Gaming Monthly 9 out of 10 90.0%
GameSpot 8.9 out of 10 89.0%
Game Revolution B+ 85.0%
GMR Magazine 8 out of 10 80.0%

The numbers speak for themselves.


There you go, stop complaining about the way I phrased the title.

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were you saying this when live 2003 was getting bettah scores here and there? Were u saying this when live 2003 DEMOLISHED 2k3 in sales? Please....

[Aeon]

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I find that the only people who bring up sales numbers for video games in an effort to make any sort of point about how one video game is better than another is a punk *** fan. Boy, i wish i didn't have to deal with the censoring on these forums...

I mean, it's common knowledge that Live will sell on name recognition and gimmicks alone (which is basically all Live 2003 had). EA could put a fresh turd in the box, call it Live 2005, advertise the new "Turdstyle" feature, and be guaranteed a couple hundred thousand copies. Everyone knows that.

But bringing up reviews isn't much better.

[Aeon]

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I find that the only people who bring up sales numbers for video games in an effort to make any sort of point about how one video game is better than another is a punk *** fan. Boy, i wish i didn't have to deal with the censoring on these forums...

I mean, it's common knowledge that Live will sell on name recognition and gimmicks alone (which is basically all Live 2003 had). EA could put a fresh turd in the box, call it Live 2005, advertise the new "Turdstyle" feature, and be guaranteed a couple hundred thousand copies. Everyone knows that.

But bringing up reviews isn't much better.

[Aeon]

Re: Numbers Don\'t Lie

I find that the only people who bring up sales numbers for video games in an effort to make any sort of point about how one video game is better than another is a punk *** fan. Boy, i wish i didn't have to deal with the censoring on these forums...

I mean, it's common knowledge that Live will sell on name recognition and gimmicks alone (which is basically all Live 2003 had). EA could put a fresh turd in the box, call it Live 2005, advertise the new "Turdstyle" feature, and be guaranteed a couple hundred thousand copies. Everyone knows that.

But bringing up reviews isn't much better.

[samjjones]

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HMcCoy said:
I believe ESPN got higher ratings for the same reason Madden did. More features. 24/7 mode KILLS 1 on 1 in Live. That, along with the much better graphics are enough to get the edge.


Bottom line PLAY THE GAMES, ALL OF THEM. Make your own opinions..Most reviewers suck.

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I don't know about you, but I play basketball sims to play real 5-on-5. If I wanted to play 24/7 or 1 on 1, I'd pop in my Dr. J vs. Larry Bird. I've played both, and to me Live has better 5-on-5 gameplay. I agree 100% with you on your second point!

[samjjones]

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HMcCoy said:
I believe ESPN got higher ratings for the same reason Madden did. More features. 24/7 mode KILLS 1 on 1 in Live. That, along with the much better graphics are enough to get the edge.


Bottom line PLAY THE GAMES, ALL OF THEM. Make your own opinions..Most reviewers suck.

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I don't know about you, but I play basketball sims to play real 5-on-5. If I wanted to play 24/7 or 1 on 1, I'd pop in my Dr. J vs. Larry Bird. I've played both, and to me Live has better 5-on-5 gameplay. I agree 100% with you on your second point!