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  • RyanFitzmagic
    MVP
    • Oct 2011
    • 1959

    #496
    Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder & All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

    Originally posted by kolanji
    OMG a double clutch is still an up and under move stay with me u first go UP and then under to go back up(it just describes the motion of the shooting) ...u know what am done trying
    So, you just don't understand the concept of not taking everything literally, right?

    I suppose every time someone gets crossed over in 2K13, they should be placed on injured reserve with a broken ankle.

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    • stillfeelme
      MVP
      • Aug 2010
      • 2405

      #497
      Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder & All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM



      Up and under
      The up and under is a move consisting of two parts, a shot fake (the up) and a step-through (the under). First the player with the ball fakes a shot by thrusting the ball above his head as if to take a shot, then when the defender jumps in an attempt to block the shot, the offensive player steps by him and attempts a clear, unguarded shot.
      Generally used by post players, Kevin McHale was considered a master of this move.
      Everybody considers McHale moves up and unders

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      • kolanji
        Pro
        • Sep 2009
        • 872

        #498
        Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder & All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

        Originally posted by DukeC
        I think the language barrier here is part of the problem.

        While Jordan did have the BALL up, then brought it UNDER so he wouldn't get blocked, that entire sequence has a proper name which is called the double clutch layup. I agree, there should be more of those in the game.

        Now, what I, and perhaps many others got confused on is the up and under is generally used to describe a post move where the PLAYER, goes up and under.

        Example: <iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/vEAZlN9XPnI" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="420"></iframe>

        See how McHale fakes his body UP, THEN goes UNDER the defender? THAT's an up&under. The other examples you provided are called double clutches.

        Edit: Ah, I see what you mean. While I suppose the proper term is considered that, everyone simply calls it a double clutch so that it doesn't get confused with the post move of the same name. It also makes more literal sense.
        exactly DuckeC now u see what am saying whatever name u call the variations of up and under it just falls under and up and under whether it be a double clutch a flick flick on reverse lay up they r all under the up and under...and 2k has a lot of em which is great just that it only seems to do what u guys call the flick click version too much..and not so much the others......all am saying is they need to add better defensive tools to deal with the flick flick version and more contact in the paint
        Last edited by kolanji; 06-07-2012, 02:37 AM.
        Humans fear what they dont understand, hate what they cant concur i guess its just the theory of man

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        • DukeC
          Banned
          • Jul 2011
          • 5751

          #499
          Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

          Originally posted by kolanji
          exactly DuckeC nor u see what am saying whatever name u call the variations of up and under it just falls under and up and under whether it be a double clutch a flick flick on reverse lay up they r all under the up and under...and 2k has a lot of em which is great just that it only seems to do what u guys call the flick click version too much..and not so much the others......all am saying is they need to add better defensive tools to deal with the flick flick version and more contact in the paint
          @1st Bolded: Misunderstanding cleared up . But you also see why we have name variations of the same move though right? One applies to different situations. Like, the double clutch is associated with layups where they bring the ball up, under, then back up again, essentially doing the act of laying the ball in twice. Twice = Double. The Up and Under is more associated with post moves because it's usually a LITERAL up and under. So you can see why the move was split into different names so that they would be easily identifiable. That's why when you came in here and started saying a double clutch was an up and under..guys in here were confused. We hardly, if ever, go by the literal definition of a basketball move anymore.

          @2nd Bolded: I'm with you on that

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          • RyanFitzmagic
            MVP
            • Oct 2011
            • 1959

            #500
            Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

            I think in the future, no one should ever try to argue the semantics of a dialect that isn't their first language.

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            • mauro78
              Ion6 Studios
              • Jan 2006
              • 616

              #501
              Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

              Originally posted by Beluba
              I've personally hated isomotion for years. Fixing it has been my primary objective for 13.
              Thanks Mike for answering about many gameplay related question on the forum. Any info about 2k13 and CPU Double Teams?

              In 2k12 CPU almoust never double teams hot players...did you work on this for 2k13?

              Thanks in advance
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              • kolanji
                Pro
                • Sep 2009
                • 872

                #502
                Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

                Originally posted by DukeC
                @1st Bolded: Misunderstanding cleared up . But you also see why we have name variations of the same move though right? One applies to different situations. Like, the double clutch is associated with layups where they bring the ball up, under, then back up again, essentially doing the act of laying the ball in twice. Twice = Double. The Up and Under is more associated with post moves because it's usually a LITERAL up and under. So you can see why the move was split into different names so that they would be easily identifiable. That's why when you came in here and started saying a double clutch was an up and under..guys in here were confused. We hardly, if ever, go by the literal definition of a basketball move anymore.

                @2nd Bolded: I'm with you on that
                oh ok i got yah....i was speaking of the collective up and unders in nba 2k while u guys were just i think on what VC calls a flick flick version.but i guess from now on i will specify what up and under am talking about whether it be from the post or FLICK FLICK as u guys would say

                @ RyanFitzmagic dont make assumptions like that English is what we speak here in belize......maybe i have some typos in my post but that is from
                typing in the dark trying not to disturb my wife sleeping next to me
                Humans fear what they dont understand, hate what they cant concur i guess its just the theory of man

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                • lakers2038
                  Rookie
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 27

                  #503
                  Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

                  Thanks for all the info Beluba, but we need to know if you guys are fixing the player speed for 2k13.


                  It was soooo bad in 2k12, Kendrick Perkins keeping up with Tony Parker on a fast break!!!

                  Please tell us if you guys are fixing this problem. Thank You

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                  • Goffs
                    New Ork Giants
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 12278

                    #504
                    Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

                    Originally posted by Beluba
                    I've personally hated isomotion for years. Fixing it has been my primary objective for 13.
                    Isomotion was a step up last year....looking forward what you have in store for us!

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                    • JerzeyReign
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2009
                      • 4847

                      #505
                      Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

                      Originally posted by Beluba
                      I've personally hated isomotion for years. Fixing it has been my primary objective for 13.
                      Please don't adopt that cheesy right stick dribbling! Learning and perfecting isomotion is a beautiful feeling. It feels good to actually go in the gym and practice to get good at something.

                      Glad to hear you're cleaning it up but don't get rid of it please!
                      #WashedGamer

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                      • silverskier
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 285

                        #506
                        Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

                        Originally posted by JerzeyReign
                        Please don't adopt that cheesy right stick dribbling! Learning and perfecting isomotion is a beautiful feeling. It feels good to actually go in the gym and practice to get good at something.

                        Glad to hear you're cleaning it up but don't get rid of it please!
                        we need more fast lateral movements and contextual positioning of the players facing the rim. I don't think that they'll implement the live's system at all though

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                        • VDusen04
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 13025

                          #507
                          Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

                          Originally posted by kolanji
                          oh ok i got yah....i was speaking of the collective up and unders in nba 2k while u guys were just i think on what VC calls a flick flick version.but i guess from now on i will specify what up and under am talking about whether it be from the post or FLICK FLICK as u guys would say

                          @ RyanFitzmagic dont make assumptions like that English is what we speak here in belize......maybe i have some typos in my post but that is from
                          typing in the dark trying not to disturb my wife sleeping next to me
                          Not trying to beat this into the ground, but I wanted to affirm that the Kevin McHale clip posted a page or two earlier is in fact what we refer to as an "up-and-under" in the United States. I don't think it's a language thing but from the sound of it, it might be a cultural thing. I've personally never heard double pump layups (like the examples of Durant, Jordan and others you posted) being referred to as up-and-unders. For me, that'd be like calling a slam dunk a "jump throw". If you break it down, I suppose they really are just jumping and throwing, but that's never what we'd call it.

                          So in terms of the topic at hand, the tendency we're referring to is a player's likelihood of pulling a Kevin McHale, where they dribble, stop, pump-fake, pivot, step through, and shoot.

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                          • jersez
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 1892

                            #508
                            Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

                            This thread has gotten out of hand, I suggest making another thread or keeping this one on topic.

                            Beluba I liked the isomotion system from last year. I felt that they didn't transition from one move to the next, it didn't look like one motion. And I had to wait for one move to end to start another. When I play ball I usually don't give a real hard crossover first, you do a bait crossover to see how the defender is playing you, once the player reacts you do another crossover which is the real one to get to the hoop.

                            For example
                            <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qAiAzRSoq1w?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

                            This <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/qOJoVi1otVM?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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                            • jersez
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 1892

                              #509
                              Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

                              Originally posted by IpodKingCarter
                              My Thoughts On The NBA 2K13 Gameplay: Spurs vs. Thunder & All Star Weekend - E3 2012 All Access Feat. IpodKingCarter



                              <iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/tI_RdB22NSQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
                              Should make a separate thread. Sir
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                              • jersez
                                MVP
                                • Jul 2008
                                • 1892

                                #510
                                Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

                                @Beluba can you please bring the driving animation back, I know you said you fixed the contact, but I think this is much more realistic than the bumping. Also the animations that makes the ball handler pick up their dribble should be expand upon.

                                This is the driving animation I mean. <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/6yVCsoHxLVw?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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