NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder & All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM EST

[kolanji]

Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder & All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

nba 2k12 was not short of up and under moves just wasnt really well balanced but to try and limit the AI to 2=3 of em is ridiculous but i will add it was a thing of beauty to see dirk do it from the post or the up and under in general from the post.
what 2k12 needs to do is just give the defense better tools to defend it to create a better sense of balance....while i do admit in the E3 video we see it looks great to see AI parker try to pull one off to get it blocked by Ibaka who never left his feet ....am just waiting in anticipation to see more come august in Germany

[DukeC]

Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder & All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

Don't do that. No, seriously, don't do that. I'm talking about the frequency of which they do the moves. Tony Parker and Rondo are both ultilizing some type of floater once they get into the lane. Hell, that's practically the only Derrick Rose does once he gets into the paint because he contorts his body so much.

Tony:

<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/dQqRG8nlscs" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="560"></iframe>

<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/HH4a05yT2Wc" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="560"></iframe>

Rondo:

<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/tNdrMKb4XNY" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="560"></iframe>

Look at how Rondo uses his body to shield his defender away from the ball. THAT's what I'm talking about. Also, he MISSED about 8-9 floaters that game.

Don't question my basketball knowledge. I AM A GUARD. You're not going to make a lot of shots unless you learn how to shield the ball with your body, learn how to shoot with a hand in your face, or develop some type of floater once you get into the paint.

MORE EXAMPLES: <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/kqdOPAlI4iM" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

You see more guards use floaters than up and unders. FACT. Watch D-Wade and Rondo tonight. Count how many times they do a floater once they get into a lane.

[stillfeelme]

Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

Kolanji,

The problem was too many PG's were doing this like this was a go to move across the board. That in itself was bad but then they made it worse by sometimes you would not get contact with the CPU if you didn't jump. The CPU had this ability to go to those type of shots that didn't draw contact. I wouldn't say this is Parker's go to move would you? What about Ramon Sessions? It was happening across the board.

[kolanji]

Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/tLiKys2V2Iw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
am thinking most ppl just know this as an up and under

or this
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/HZP3XFc6pq8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

and this
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/YP33JtjTgRQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

up and unders are all over the nba game we r just accustomed to think that it has to score or only happens mid air....its just simply put a show like layup attempt to get defender to react/jump and either try to elude or create contact whether it be form the post position in mid air or step in to up and going under

[stillfeelme]

Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

nba 2k12 was not short of un and under moves just wasnt really well balanced but to try and limit the AI to 2=3 of em is ridiculous but i will add it was a thing of beauty to see dirk do it from the post or the up and under in general from the post.
what 2k12 needs to do is just give the defense better tools to defend it to creat a better sense of baalnce....while i do admit in the E3 video we see it looks great to see AI parker try to pull one off to get it blocked by Ibaka who never left his feet ....am just waiting in anticipation to see more come august in germany

Yeah Beluba says they are working on having more contact so I will not beat this dead horse but if I have the ability to body up the defender and not bite on the fake then he can up the tendency because it will not work if you are disciplined on defense. In 2K12 the up and under tendency was too high for the CPU AI Pg's and the fact that you couldn't swat some of it or get consistent contact led to easy points for the CPU.

[exposedaking]

I've personally hated isomotion for years. Fixing it has been my primary objective for 13.

music to my ears, thanx for the response...keep up the good work

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[RyanFitzmagic]

Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

Jesus in Heaven...

A double-clutch layup is NOT an up-and-under. You're WRONG. Just live with it.

[DukeC]

Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/tLiKys2V2Iw" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="560"></iframe>
am thinking most ppl just know this as an up and under

or this
<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/HZP3XFc6pq8" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="560"></iframe>

and this
<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/YP33JtjTgRQ" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="560"></iframe>

up and unders are all over the nba game we r just accustomed to think that it has to score or only happens mid air....its just simply put a show like layup attempt to get defender to react/jump and either try to elude or create contact whether it be form the post position in mid air or step in to up and going under

Are you seriously getting a double clutch layup MISTAKEN with an up and under?



No, really,

[kolanji]

Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

@ DukeC yea true about floaters but the examples u give going one -on-one is not a good time for an up and under...

best used with the help defender coming over and in the paint or an over active post defender who is not discipline to not leave his feet


remember this
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/DT1yNyRwd7w" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
he did it cause he thought sam perkins was gonna try to block his shot so he came back down and back up.........UP and UNDER
against help shot blocking defenders.......


so adding more to the AI is needed in 2k13 just more so across the post and mid air and not just the flick flick up and under.....
it has always been a part of the nba and even more so in today's game

[silverskier]

Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

am thinking most ppl just know this as an up and under
...
or this
.....

and this
....

up and unders are all over the nba game we r just accustomed to think that it has to score or only happens mid air....its just simply put a show like layup attempt to get defender to react/jump and either try to elude or create contact whether it be form the post position in mid air or step in to up and going under

hm no, I think that by up and unders we, or at least I, understand this, which is overpowered in this game, specially the ones that are performed after a pump fake, without being in the post. I hope they fix them :,(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEAZlN9XPnI

[DukeC]

Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

Kolanji,

The problem was too many PG's were doing this like this was a go to move across the board. That in itself was bad but then they made it worse by sometimes you would not get contact with the CPU if you didn't jump. The CPU had this ability to go to those type of shots that didn't draw contact. I wouldn't say this is Parker's go to move would you? What about Ramon Sessions? It was happening across the board.

Ramon Sessions mainly scores using a floater. Since I'm a borderline Laker fan I watched many games where he would barrel into the lane, throw the ball up ridiculously high and off the glass, and it would miraculously go in about 50% of the time.

[stillfeelme]

Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

Kolanji,

Yeah those videos are not what I define as an up and under. I consider up and under what 2K calls flick flick moves. It means to me that you get the defender to go up "bite" on a fake and you finish under them. So that could be the disconnect you have. The first video of Parker is what I consider and up and under he faked one direction and went under just like a flick flick move is in 2K. Up and under moves are usually defined as a post move that involves a fake and the going a under the defender. So when I say up and under we are talking Mchale post moves. Some of those you shown were layups acrobatic layups but I don't know people that call them up and under moves. One was a reverse layup.

[stillfeelme]

Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

Ramon Sessions mainly scores using a floater. Since I'm a borderline Laker fan I watched many games where he would barrel into the lane, throw the ball up ridiculously high and off the glass, and it would miraculously go in about 50% of the time.

Haha yeah I was using Sessions as an example of someone that would use flick flick moves in the paint in 2K12 but he uses floaters in real life

[kolanji]

Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

Jesus in Heaven...

A double-clutch layup is NOT an up-and-under. You're WRONG. Just live with it.

OMG a double clutch is still an up and under move stay with me u first go UP and then under to go back up(it just describes the motion of the shooting) ...u know what am done trying

if u feel free to read this and educate urselves a bit am done playing basketball grandpa to u guys

http://www.youth-basketball-tips.com/up-and-under.html

anyways back to the matter at hand.... hope to see more contact in the paint during layups in 2k13 and plz VC dont let me lose control as soon as the whistle blows i am in good position a lot to block and stop and 1 shot but i lose control over my player as soon as the whistle blows

[DukeC]

Re: NBA 2K13 Gameplay Video Featuring Spurs vs. Thunder &amp; All Star Weekend - 6/4 10PM

@ DukeC yea true about floaters but the examples u give going one -on-one is not a good time for an up and under...

best used with the help defender coming over and in the paint or an over active post defender who is not discipline to not leave his feet


remember this
<iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/DT1yNyRwd7w" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="420"></iframe>
he did it cause he thought sam perkins was gonna try to block his shot so he came back down and back up.........UP and UNDER
against help shot blocking defenders.......


so adding more to the AI is needed in 2k13 just more so across the post and mid air and not just the flick flick up and under.....
it has always been a part of the nba and even more so in today's game

I think the language barrier here is part of the problem.

While Jordan did have the BALL up, then brought it UNDER so he wouldn't get blocked, that entire sequence has a proper name which is called the double clutch layup. I agree, there should be more of those in the game.

Now, what I, and perhaps many others got confused on is the up and under is generally used to describe a post move where the PLAYER, goes up and under.

Example: <iframe src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/vEAZlN9XPnI" allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="315" width="420"></iframe>

See how McHale fakes his body UP, THEN goes UNDER the defender? THAT's an up&under. The other examples you provided are called double clutches.

Edit: Ah, I see what you mean. While I suppose the proper term is considered that, everyone simply calls it a double clutch so that it doesn't get confused with the post move of the same name. It also makes more literal sense.