NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

[Conda]

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I'd have to watch a bunch of games, cut clips, and upload them. If it comes that, I'll do it.

[djwax90]

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Give me a break, you weren't even talking about the skills anymore. It was about who is the better player/defender/who was better for the team.

The core of the argument was whether or not a player can be a defensive anchor in a way that makes his teammates better defensively, as well, which is what the Anchor perk does. Chandler is simply one of the best (if not THE best) modern example to justify how it is absolutely possible to make your teammates better defensively while you're on the court with them.

[Thunder Storm]

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Jeremy Lin has skill multiplier that can make his steals go up to 90 when its triggered, that is something to be worried about.

Great defensive players like Chandler or KG having large effects on defense is to be expected.

[francium34]

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Dude, these are just what these guys specialize in. It doesn't mean that they're the best at dunking, blocking or dribbling. Jordan isn't the greatest at every aspect of basketball, so why are you using him when comparing these players and they're individual skill?

my bad, i basically jumbled two arguments together.
1 was that these players shouldn't have those skills. Kemba shot 36.6% last year, he shouldn't be getting any FG bump. Lin didn't play particularly impressive on ball defense. etc (this is of course only my opinion, and can be easily changed by roster edits)

2. Because 2k decided to cap SS at 5, great players suffer. Let's assume LeBron gets Lockdown, Chase block, shot creator, finisher, and playmaker. But in real life I'd argue he also throws great lop passes, probably better than Felton. Felton (Alley-Ooper) gets a bump in attributes while Lebron doesn't. I hope 2k makes the game so that Felton's passing is only OK normally, but gets bumped up when throwing lobs, but even then he should still not be as effective as LeBron.

SS is great for the same tier of guys. Role players will have more character. The elite guys won't play the same. But when you compare across tiers, 2k has to make sure the balance is still there. Also I'm a bit uneasy on how the system will detect "situations"--when SS should and should not be activated (like MP in 2k12, which had some problems recognizing situations).Which is why I'm probably getting this for PC, just in case something quirky happens, then at least the PC modding community might come up with a fix.

[Boilerbuzz]

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OK man. You believe what you want to believe. I'll trust actual players and coaches. Find me some players and coaches that do NOT believe in the concept of a defensive anchor and then you'll get someone to think about coming to your side. There's no point in continuing this because you clearly aren't trying to hear the arguments subjectively. As one poster said - even if you don't agree with it - is it THAT much of a crime to have it in the game?

Plus now you have a like from fluent2332, so this is where I came in.

[RyanFitzmagic]

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OK man. You believe what you want to believe. I'll trust actual players and coaches. Find me some players and coaches that do NOT believe in the concept of a defensive anchor and then you'll get someone to think about coming to your side. There's no point in continuing this because you clearly aren't trying to hear the arguments subjectively. As one poster said - even if you don't agree with it - is it THAT much of a crime to have it in the game?

Plus now you have a like from fluent2332, so this is where I came in.

Once again, no one said defensive anchors don't exist. But players don't magically become better because of them. Defensive anchors cover up mistakes, they don't decrease them.

[djwax90]

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You're the one saying that a player can affect a team's defense without even being there. That's ludicrous.

Chandler affected the Mavs defense in 2011, even while he was on the bench. Not because he was on the bench, but because he had changed the defensive culture of the team. I'm guessing you didn't watch the clip. I guess when Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Terry, and JJ Barea agree with me (or vice versa) on this point, the point must be flawed somehow.

The point is that Chandler is not as important to his team defensively as people think.

You, sir, are clearly in the minority with that opinion. In fact, that's the first time I've heard anyone say that, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

[JCEVO]

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all i know and care about. if SS is anything like APF 2k8 version of signature skills then this will be a major plus for basketball games. one thing i hope is they didnt build the SS system under the old rating/tendency system

there should be a new rating system and catergories as well as tendency

[Rdub33]

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If I know Dwight or chandler is anchoring my defense I am going to be confident crowding my guy and forcing him baseline. Whereas if I I have Channing frye behind me I'm giving cushion u better believe it. Ryan that is why anchors make their teams better.

[RyanFitzmagic]

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Chandler affected the Mavs defense in 2011, even while he was on the bench. Not because he was on the bench, but because he had changed the defensive culture of the team. I'm guessing you didn't watch the clip. I guess when Dirk Nowitzki, Jason Terry, and JJ Barea agree with me (or vice versa) on this point, the point must be flawed somehow.

Or maybe it was because of the coaching :-O

You, sir, are clearly in the minority with that opinion. In fact, that's the first time I've heard anyone say that, but I guess there's a first time for everything.

I already posted statistical evidence that the Mavs were Top 10 with Chandler in 2011 and Top 10 without him in 2012. You can put your fingers in your ear and go "lalalalala I can't hear you" if you want, but that won't make me wrong.

[youALREADYknow]

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Pretty much what was expected: Some good, some bad. It's still going to come down to roster implementation at the end of the day, so we won't know the final verdict until October 2nd.

My only problem with what was posted are some of the modifiers. 6-12 point attribute point changes for teammates/opponents because of a player having a Sig Skill are a bit drastic. 10-30% differences in probabilities are drastic changes from the baseline.

I know why it was done though. They want the effect to be obvious and in your face. It's still somewhat arcade-based and something I'd expect from an NBA Jam game. Quite a few of the skills can be manipulated for the sim crowd when combined with objective and very thoroughly designed rosters and that's the good news that can be taken away from this.

[Thunder Storm]

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Once again, no one said defensive anchors don't exist. But players don't magically become better because of them. Defensive anchors cover up mistakes, they don't decrease them.

I get what you're saying. IRL Chandler cannot make Steve Novak a better on-ball defender.

but for the GAMES sake it works. It balances out the effect that floor general will plus it will make so that the in-game team defensive rating replicates the real life defensive rating.

[Boilerbuzz]

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Once again, no one said defensive anchors don't exist. But players don't magically become better because of them. Defensive anchors cover up mistakes, they don't decrease them.

So why are we even discussing this then? Now you're REALLY arguing semantics. If I'm on the perimeter, I know with a guy like Chandler, I can take more risks and have them covered up. But the times I succeed go up. There's a net positive there! What do you want to call that effect?

[Boilerbuzz]

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all i know and care about. if SS is anything like APF 2k8 version of signature skills then this will be a major plus for basketball games. one thing i hope is they didnt build the SS system under the old rating/tendency system

there should be a new rating system and catergories as well as tendency

I COMPLETELY agree with you man. But one step at a time.

[RyanFitzmagic]

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So why are we even discussing this then? Now you're REALLY arguing semantics. If I'm on the perimeter, I know with a guy like Chandler, I can take more risks and have them covered up. But the times I succeed go up. There's a net positive there! What do you want to call that effect?

No, the times you succeed do NOT go up. The times you get bailed out for getting dusted by your assignment go up.

Dwight Howard on the floor does not make Turkoglu a better defender. Turkoglu can play tight because he knows Dwight will cover up his mistakes, but whether or not Dwight was there, Hedo would still get dusted.