NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

[djwax90]

Re: NBA 2K13 - All 31 Signature Skills Revealed

CONCERNING THE OFF TOPIC CHANDLER/DALLAS/KNICKS DISCUSSION, CAN YOU GUYS PLEASE SHUT UP AND PM EACH OTHER


Talk about being obnoxious...

Mind-bending how ironic the post is. A well-thought out debate that has its roots in deciding whether or not the Anchor perk will be a legitimate and justifiable game mechanic (something this thread is centered on, the perks) is somehow more obnoxious than some random complaint that uses nothing but caps and oversized font? Please leave, you are not wanted.

[Hassan Darkside]

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I already proved that Dallas was better with Dampier than Chandler, and that they didn't fall off at all when Chandler left after 2011.



It has everything to do with this, because coaches have more impact on defenders improving than defensive anchors do.



I already proved that Dallas was better with Dampier than Chandler, and that they didn't fall off at all when Chandler left after 2011.

2005-06 Hornets Pre-Chandler: 19th in D Efficiency
2006-07 Hornets, Chandler's first year: 14th in D Efficiency
2007-08 Hornets, 7th in D Efficiency
08-09 Hornets, 9th in D Efficiency
09-10 Hornets, Post-Chandlert: 21st in D Efficiency

09-10 Mavs, Pre Chandler: 12th in D Efficiency
10-11 Mavs, With Chandler: 8th in D Efficiency
11-12 Mavs, Post Chandler: 8th in D Efficiency.

10-11 Knicks, Pre Chandler: 22nd in D Efficiency
11-12 Knicks, With Chandler: 5th in D Efficiency


Statistically speaking, maybe it's just an anomaly that the Mavs did not get worse defensively without Chandler. But there's no debate that teams are better defensively with him than without him.

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Are you trying to tell me that these guys aren't improving their teams defensively? That's not Tyson Chandler covering up his teammates mistakes, that's Tyson Chandler communicating with his teammates on what's coming, how to guard it, and what to do to in the future. Using a signature skill is how 2k compensates for this in the videogame world. I don't see why you're so upset about it.

[J_Posse]

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Kind of wish they went with gold/silver/bronze tier of SS

Posterizer--Hakim Warrick??
Shot Creator--Kemba Walker??
Ankle Breaker--Austin Rivers??
Pick Pocket--Jeremy Lin?????
Chase Down Artist--Brandon Rush??
Bruiser--David West??
Closer...let's not even go there.

Of course this can all be edited anyway, so really just a minor complaint.

Still waiting to see how normal attributes weigh with these SS. Hopefully MJ will still dunk better than Warrick, dribble better than Rivers, chase-block better than Rush, and steal better than Lin.

Dude, these are just what these guys specialize in. It doesn't mean that they're the best at dunking, blocking or dribbling. Jordan isn't the greatest at every aspect of basketball, so why are you using him when comparing these players and they're individual skill?

[Optik]

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Kind of wish they went with gold/silver/bronze tier of SS

No need to do that, they've already got individual ratings for that.

Surprised that they decided to cap SS at 5 for ALL modes, when they could have just done that for MyPlayer. PES has had these "abilities" for at least 9 years and they didn't implement any cap.

Glad that 2K have finally implemented this though. Hopefully, having a PG in your OA team means something this time, and no longer will cheesers who start a 6'6 athletic freak who can dunk and shoot the 3 at PG e.g. JR Smith, be rewarded.

I hope defensive anchor doesn't make zone even harder to break down. Charge Card is a godsend. Hopefully the nonsensical amount of facials per game will be dramatically reduced. Hopefully, the Take Charge tendency will work this year, so we won't have people using LeBron as a one-man battering ram to just RUN OVER the defence.

I'm not liking how Eraser can reduce your player's shooting ability by SIX points for 1.5 minutes. Does it really have to be that big? Isn't the fact that our shot got blocked be enough of a psychological blow? 2K really needs to learn that humans are imperfect and our confidence can be deflated from plays like that, that there is no need to further hamper us with artificial stat deflation.

Glad to see lockdown defender. Every time I used the Thunder online (RARELY), I forced myself to start Thabo but it was usually an exercise in futility as it really made no significant difference compared to westbrook or durant. Most people just start Harden and Thabo hardly gets any time on the floor.

Dimer and post playmaker just seem like artificial stat boosters. I hope but doubt there will be a difference in the way that Pau Gasol can pass from the low post as well as the high post, whereas Noah does a lot of bounce passing from the high post.

[RyanFitzmagic]

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You have proved literally nothing so far. Not a single person has agreed with you yet.

1. That's not true
2. Even if it was, that doesn't make me wrong

1. The defense didn't fall off in 2012 because Chandler had already instilled the defensive mindset and changed the culture. That isn't something that disappears when he leaves.

ROFL

Players don't establish defensive culture. Coaches do. And no matter what, regardless of the "defensive mindset," you still need players to execute.

you implied that the reason the Mavericks were better defensively in 2007 than in 2011 was solely because they had Dampier and not Chandler.

I didn't imply anything close to that. The point is that a team with Dampier was better than a team with Chandler because COACHING makes defenders better more than anchors.

Oh. That's it. Let's just look at the stat that supports your case and that stat only. Forget the conditions of the league and everything else that plays into certain stats. We'll just look at the one stat that measure a league wide trend instead of relative performance of players on the court.

What the hell are you talking about? Being a Top 10 defense is being a Top 10 defense, regardless of the condition of the league.

If you're not focused 100% on your shot, the chances of it going in go down. What do you want to call that? Because NOW, you into to semantics.

And why the hell would I not be focused on my shot, because of an interior shot-blocker, if I'm shooting on the perimeter?

Statistically speaking, maybe it's just an anomaly that the Mavs did not get worse defensively without Chandler. But there's no debate that teams are better defensively with him than without him.

It's not an anomaly. DALLAS HAS GOOD DEFENSIVE COACHING.

Are you trying to tell me that these guys aren't improving their teams defensively? That's not Tyson Chandler covering up his teammates mistakes, that's Tyson Chandler communicating with his teammates on what's coming, how to guard it, and what to do to in the future. Using a signature skill is how 2k compensates for this in the videogame world. I don't see why you're so upset about it.

I'm pretty sure all halfway competent defensive centers communicate and tell teammates where to be. Hell, I've seen Carmelo do it consistently. Does he deserve Defensive Anchor?

[JasonMartin]

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1. You're name is not in orange.
2. The discussion relates DIRECTLY to the validity of the defensive anchor SS and it's 100% on topic!
3. Yes, your post was obnoxious. I agree.

Mind-bending how ironic the post is. A well-thought out debate that has its roots in deciding whether or not the Anchor perk will be a legitimate and justifiable game mechanic (something this thread is centered on, the perks) is somehow more obnoxious than some random complaint that uses nothing but caps and oversized font? Please leave, you are not wanted.

Funny how the 2 dallas guys help each other out.

Give me a break, you weren't even talking about the skills anymore. It was about who is the better player/defender/who was better for the team.

[Hassan Darkside]

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I'm pretty sure all halfway competent defensive centers communicate and tell teammates where to be. Hell, I've seen Carmelo do it consistently. Does he deserve Defensive Anchor?

Show me. I don't know why you expect people to take your assumptions as gospel.

[FLAWDAxBALLA954]

Ima come right out and say it, even though i like the SS and cant wait for the game hopefully i can get it at Midnight, SS are for noobs. People who are veterans in 2k and also watch and understand the game of basketball already knew what type of skill sets example: if a Veteran sees a pg like steve nash block lebron on a two handed dunk we rage cause we know it will never happen while the noob or cas. Gamer goes oooh get blocked by nash :|. This is basically like baby steps for the guys who don't know **** about basketball

[Boilerbuzz]

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2005-06 Hornets Pre-Chandler: 19th in D Efficiency
2006-07 Hornets, Chandler's first year: 14th in D Efficiency
2007-08 Hornets, 7th in D Efficiency
08-09 Hornets, 9th in D Efficiency
09-10 Hornets, Post-Chandlert: 21st in D Efficiency

09-10 Mavs, Pre Chandler: 12th in D Efficiency
10-11 Mavs, With Chandler: 8th in D Efficiency
11-12 Mavs, Post Chandler: 8th in D Efficiency.

10-11 Knicks, Pre Chandler: 22nd in D Efficiency
11-12 Knicks, With Chandler: 5th in D Efficiency


Statistically speaking, maybe it's just an anomaly that the Mavs did not get worse defensively without Chandler. But there's no debate that teams are better defensively with him than without him.

Win. BTW, the lost Terry and Berea and picked up more size in the backcourt. Not to mention the offenses were hurt with the shortened season. But the changes in the backcourt helped them a bit.

[FLAWDAxBALLA954]

While a Defensive Anchor’s team is on defense, all teammates on the floor are given up to a six point attribute boost to their defensive abilities.

That goes completely against the concept of a defensive anchor. He doesn't make his teammates BETTER. He covers up their mistakes.

Oh, Jesus.

Your right players like kg have no influence on his teammates smh defensive anchor **** me right?

[djwax90]

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Oh boy, where to start?

Players don't establish defensive culture.

Don't tell Bill Russell or any basketball analyst this or they might vomit.

I didn't imply anything close to that. The point is that a team with Dampier was better than a team with Chandler because COACHING makes defenders better more than anchors.

Right, so now you're implying that Avery Johnson is a better defensive coach than Rick Carlisle?

To quote Eminem: "You're never gonna make it, makes no sense to play the game there ain't no way that you'll win."

[RyanFitzmagic]

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Show me. I don't know why you expect people to take your assumptions as gospel.

I'd have to watch a bunch of games, cut clips, and upload them. If it comes that, I'll do it.

[KB2009Champ]

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While a Defensive Anchor’s team is on defense, all teammates on the floor are given up to a six point attribute boost to their defensive abilities.

That goes completely against the concept of a defensive anchor. He doesn't make his teammates BETTER. He covers up their mistakes.

Oh, Jesus.

I'm sorry but this attribute is ridiculous.

[Boilerbuzz]

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Funny how the 2 dallas guys help each other out.

Give me a break, you weren't even talking about the skills anymore. It was about who is the better player/defender/who was better for the team.

...

I'm a Dallas guy? Really?

[RyanFitzmagic]

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Don't tell Bill Russell or any basketball analyst this or they might vomit.

You're the one saying that a player can affect a team's defense without even being there. That's ludicrous.

Right, so now you're implying that Avery Johnson is a better defensive coach than Rick Carlisle?

It doesn't matter who's better than who. The point is that Chandler is not as important to his team defensively as people think.