Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

[zten11]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

I wasn't going to get involved with this thread, but as I was reading your post I had a thought out of the blue:

Since Jay-Z is executive producer and hands-on in this year's version, what an awesome opportunity 2k has here! With Jay-Z's recent experiences with the Nets, I'd personally be foaming at the mouth to see how Jay-Z would suggest this mode could be improved...

Perhaps he would say: "There needs to be some kind of Arena development phase during the off-season"

Or he could indicate: "Designing the uniforms of players and cheerleader squads really provided our organization with an opportunity to increase our revenue by 20%... this Association mode should give franchise owners the opportunity to invest in new ways of expanding their revenue...."

My point here is: Jay-Z would be an invaluable resource to add a lot to this mode if 2k utilized him. In 2k12, one of the things 2k did for MyPlayer (this year's MyCareer) was to sit down with some execs and ask them about some of the GM interview processes ... the result was that the whole experience was improved for the gamer who played that mode.

I really think the same could be done here for Association mode... if 2k sat down with Jay-Z and picked his brains, they could end up with some great insight into just what can be improved to make this mode better.

Jay-Z is being used to promote the game. He's just adding on to his millions of dollars. You think he is the key to making association mode better? No, they just need creators of the game to open their eyes.

[crosstheriver]

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Association is not going to be made the focal point of the game until a majority of the consumers speak with their wallets.

Now let me qualify that: it doesn't take an astronomical shift like 50% or more people not buying the game, but if say, their sales numbers are down 10% or 15% and they figure out association is why, guess what mode is totally featured next year?

[haloofduty]

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Don't worry association guys SHOE INSIGHT IS UP!!! We get to wear new shoes while playing association. I guess that's a good substitute for all the bugs and glitches. SHOES Is this what it has really come to. Shoe insight and possibly no association insight.

I think sports developers have forgotten (or don't care) that franchise mode mimics the real life sports. My player,superstar mode,my team, my career ect. are good gimmicky modes but when we watch sports on tv we are watching a real life franchise mode. Alot of us want that in our video game. We want to build a team up and lead them to a championship (glitch and bug free) Franchise mode is what got everything started. Association is the most realistic mode and it seems forgot about.

I'm sure most of us watch the nba and know basketball. Some of us older guys grew up watching. Isn't it down right ridiculous and absurd that there were no double teams from the AI last year. Isn't it ridiculous that big men 3 point tendency increases year after year. Isn't it ridiculous that all big men shot 3s in nba 2k10 and other numerous problems. None of these were patched. How can they leave these in like we are basketball dumb asses.

I have had many rants about nba 2k. Never have my rants included new features or anything like that. All I have been asking for a few years now is JUST FIX ASSOCIATION. JUST FIX IT! I'm tired of workarounds. I'm tired of waiting for a patch that does not include association. I'm tired of hours and hours of editing. I'M TIRED!

[ffaacc03]

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Association is not going to be made the focal point of the game until a majority of the consumers speak with their wallets.

Now let me qualify that: it doesn't take an astronomical shift like 50% or more people not buying the game, but if say, their sales numbers are down 10% or 15% and they figure out association is why, guess what mode is totally featured next year?

The thing is ... how many of us have the will to conform that 10-15% ? ... with the improvements apparently made to the overall game, I know I wont pass on 2k13 ... and with the prospect of 2k14 making the jump to next generation consoles, I might not pass on that either ...

Anyways, lets just hope and keep asking them for the PLENTY things that must be fixed and add the PLENTY features that would make association jump to the next level ...

Dont get me wrong, see my other post on many of the association related threads or my wishlist comments ... I do believe association has been missing worthy attention for the last few years, but ranting does not equals 2k noticing it and acting accordingly.


Ld2k, still awaiting for the written insight tho ... even more eager after seeing the master piece that was the shoes insight ... shoes werent as high as association on my priorities, but was a surprisingly very good insight ... hope to be surprised again.

[Gosens6]

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Like most of you guys have said. We don't need a major overhaul, we just need the BS fixed.

Last year when 2K12 came out I made a thread testing why CPU teams just stopped trading after year 3.

After year 3, you would get maybe 1 or 2 trades a year if you were lucky. That's a problem that a lot of people seem to forget.

Along with things like player roles being messed up, minutes per game, big men shooting threes, cold zones, horrible team management.

If they would just fix some of these bugs most of us would be happy, we would finally have a realistic association and we would shut our mouths, go away and be happy!

The fact of the matter is, 2K caters to the online players, just like EA does with their sports games. It's really a shame because I just played a quick online game with the 2K13 demo and it was the worst experience iv'e ever had. Do people really enjoy playing this way? It's not basketball, AT ALL.

It's avoiding the idiots who try to take a charge all the way up the court, playing defense against the same one player all game, watching someone try to spin and cross their way into the pain and they get frustrated when they can't and just throw up a wild shot.

Screw playing online, I had never been so embarrassed for the game of basketball in my life.

[LD2k]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

Trying to gather that information for you guys.

<3

Won't be a full insight, but some bullet points that should make most of you grin from ear to ear.

[Gosens6]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

Trying to gather that information for you guys.

<3

Won't be a full insight, but some bullet points that should make most of you grin from ear to ear.

Have I ever told you that I loved you?

[ffaacc03]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

Like most of you guys have said. We don't need a major overhaul, we just need the BS fixed.

Last year when 2K12 came out I made a thread testing why CPU teams just stopped trading after year 3.

After year 3, you would get maybe 1 or 2 trades a year if you were lucky. That's a problem that a lot of people seem to forget.

Along with things like player roles being messed up, minutes per game, big men shooting threes, cold zones, horrible team management.

If they would just fix some of these bugs most of us would be happy, we would finally have a realistic association and we would shut our mouths, go away and be happy!

The fact of the matter is, 2K caters to the online players, just like EA does with their sports games. It's really a shame because I just played a quick online game with the 2K13 demo and it was the worst experience iv'e ever had. Do people really enjoy playing this way? It's not basketball, AT ALL.

It's avoiding the idiots who try to take a charge all the way up the court, playing defense against the same one player all game, watching someone try to spin and cross their way into the pain and they get frustrated when they can't and just throw up a wild shot.

Screw playing online, I had never been so embarrassed for the game of basketball in my life.

Agree on the association part, we mostly need the mandatory (PLENTY) fixes ... and a few new features additions.

In regards of your demo experience, it is not fair to judge online based on it, specially since it is a demo that introduces a new control scheme ... I for one, have been battling to get the hang onto it, therefor not behaving as usual, just experimenting ... then again, online (specifically ramdoms) isnt the best source for a sim experience.

[ronyell]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

Trying to gather that information for you guys.

<3

Won't be a full insight, but some bullet points that should make most of you grin from ear to ear.

much ablidged! can we expect this info before Saturday (games release is in 4 days) so that us association heads can make our preemptive adjustments & notes?

[Gosens6]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

Agree on the association part, we mostly need the mandatory (PLENTY) fixes ... and a few new features additions.

In regards of your demo experience, it is not fair to judge online based on it, specially since it is a demo that introduces a new control scheme ... I for one, have been battling to get the hang onto it, therefor not behaving as usual, just experimenting ... then again, online (specifically ramdoms) isnt the best source for a sim experience.

That's what i'm saying about the randoms, man. It's seriously embarrassing how people treat the game of basketball when playing online.

How does one attempt to take a charge EVERY single time I bring the ball up the court? Then keep trying when their player gets 4 fouls, in less than 5 minutes?

Trying to spam the same players everytime, doing nothing but driving into the paint, not even trying to use the new dribbling mechanics, just spinning, and spinning, and spinning some more trying to drive. It was seriously comical.

That, coupled with the minor delay makes playing online a frustrating experience. The AI in this years game seems to play BETTER than a random human and it's on the default game setting.

[LD2k]

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much ablidged! can we expect this info before Saturday (games release is in 4 days) so that us association heads can make our preemptive adjustments & notes?

Trying to get this out today or tomorrow. Can't make any promises. But I'm working hard to get this to you guys.

[LD2k]

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Have I ever told you that I loved you?

[ronyell]

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[ffaacc03]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

Trying to gather that information for you guys.

<3

Won't be a full insight, but some bullet points that should make most of you grin from ear to ear.

As many details as possible LD2k, would be very appreciated ...

If things such as the mentioned bellow are whats in store, then I am really confident on this year itineration of both offline and online association ... leaving aside bugs/glitches fixes, which are a must ... editability, options and the tools to make the game fit our own unique perception, is of unmeassurable welcome.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...ster-base.html

Bring it on !

P.S:
If you can throw in something about playbooks, dont be shy and go ahead ...

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: Why is 2k continuing to ignore Association Mode?

Trying to get this out today or tomorrow. Can't make any promises. But I'm working hard to get this to you guys.

Online and offline I hope? Im perfectly fine with bullet points! :-) You already know what I want to know about with those online commish controls. I would also love to hear that custom rosters and editing of rosters is confirmed and can be done and brought into online leagues once and for all?!

#fingerscrossed

Thanks Chris!